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What are new features (or problems) that  this cryptocurrency offer (or really solve) relative to other existing coins? Monero, Bitcoin ...

That's a good question that's often overlooked. The three biggest problems that Decred takes note of when looking at Bitcoin are issues grouped under (1) project governance, (2) funding development, and (3) proof-of-work (PoW) miners having too much power. These observations are documented in a blog post by one of the stakeholders (c0) in Decred's multi-stakeholder development ecosystem. In addition, these stem from over 2.5 years of active contribution to the larger ecosystem by Bitcoin developers employed through c0 - the majority of guys who built and maintain btcsuite. This is the first time in history that such a group of developers - who come from a Bitcoin development environment - are sailing into alternative cryptocurrency waters. Alts have gotten a bad rap - for good reason - but that does not mean all alts have to carry that burden. It is possible to create a future where a symbiotic technological relationship exists between cryptocurrency systems. Good things in Bitcoin come to Decred, and good things in Decred will go to Bitcoin. That's the crux of the relationship Decred envisions between it and Bitcoin.

To work backwards, the technology hopes to address (3) by hybridizing PoW with proof-of-stake (PoS) where PoS becomes a "2nd authentication factor" on the content of blocks created by the PoW miners - and thereby providing a check on the power of PoW miners. PoS can effectively force soft and hard fork upgrades by voting against PoW blocks that do not adhere to the new rules - which creates a notion of continuity across forks that is not possible when using pure PoW. Furthermore, PoS helps to "democratize" the process of deciding what software upgrades should and should not happen. Finally, PoS rewards create an incentive for users to hold their coins and participate in the PoS consensus process. As a summary, these ideas are not possible in a pure PoW system - which has its merits, of course - but Decred argues we need a more robust consensus system. That is the heart of the technological system. There are endless architectural differences between btcsuite packages and the Bitcoin Core client that have been built, tested, and documented over the years - and improvements are worked on every day. All of that comes to Decred and dcrd would for example push contributions back to btcd in the future. If you are curious about (3), definitely have a look at DTB001 as a .pdf or on the wiki.

When we talk about (2), it becomes critical to generate funding internally. Bitcoin has to rely on funding from external parties, where transparency isn't always possible. This may have a corrosive effect on the overall system if the influence of those parties are not aligned with the interests of Bitcoin users. By including a development subsidy as a consensus rule, what is essentially said is that the financial influence over the project is shifted to the users where you don't have to rely on donations. If the users don't agree with the direction of the project, they don't mine and use the software, which acts as a check on those who have to administer it. What you do end up with, if handled responsibly, is a self-funded development mechanism that remains sustainable as the network grows. The upside in Decred's case is that there's a legitimate track record of quality development by way of btcsuite, as well as the other free and open-source projects the devs have produced that haven't been mentioned here yet.

Finally, (1) is where all of us as a community will play a very active role. The current proposal is for a meritocratic form of open governance. Bear in mind this is a proposal, so it's open for discussion as well, and will mature with community input. The goal is a system where your contribution, not your status, carries influence and has attrition built into the design. This is to say that if you contribute lots of code, but then stop, that influence diminishes - so you can't call shots just because you contributed lots in the past. It must therefore remain consistent. This gives newcomers the ability to become just as influential as people that were part of Decred from the beginning - entirely based on continued contribution to the ecosystem. This is again based on observations in the Bitcoin development ecosystem over the years.

Hopefully that gives some insight what Decred is about in terms of its relationship to systems like Bitcoin's. Not entirely familiar with the deeper systems involved in Monero, but if anyone would like to add in where we can improve as a system or technology relative to Monero, that would be very helpful in guiding development. tacotime, for example, represents another stakeholder in the multi-stakeholder ecosystem described above, and has been very active in Monero technologically - so he may be well aware of how the finer Decred points operate relative to that system. Having said that, any new stakeholder from Monero can plug into Decred without fear of missing out on the early Decred days, same goes for anyone. The goal isn't to create more competition, it's to bring an entirely different way of thinking about how we relate to one another.
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What are new features (or problems) that  this cryptocurrency offer (or really solve) relative to other existing coins? Monero, Bitcoin ...

Problems: https://blog.companyzero.com/2015/11/bitcoins-biggest-challenges/

Proposed Solutions: https://blog.companyzero.com/2015/12/iterating-bitcoin/
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
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What are new features (or problems) that  this cryptocurrency offer (or really solve) relative to other existing coins? Monero, Bitcoin ...

Hey all - I'm back from a bit of a hiatus. This seems wildly cool. Likewise going to watch with interest. If you need any help getting this to takeoff pls let me know.
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Here's to hopin' they pick it up, for it was freely given to them as a gift. If anybody else picks it up first, please consider passing it to them for cost at the most.

All domains possible have been grabbed in the interest of preservation, but I'm sure some have been missed! Top-level is definitely a preference though - for a broader audience expansion in the future. Any domains people want to develop can be included, or reimbursed at cost like you suggest, and we can include those in the broader Decred infrastructure. As a community, we should try and set up something where we can put up tasks for anyone to pick up and do and have a process whereby that gets included throughout the larger system - that could work really well.
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Thanks for your thorough answers. Smiley
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Thanks for replying. I have been reading MC2 thread and your blog etc so maybe i picked up on that name there. Someone mentione ticker XDC which is a good option if it is available.

You talked about non-coding contribution. Is running full nodes, mining/staking also considered contribution or it has to be with designing, marketing, blogging or community management/support on various social platforms?

Like jcv said above (he's a Decred dev), it's definitely not just coding contributions. If you have plans to support Decred in the future in whatever way you want, you'll be part of the airdrop. If you've already made contributions to other technological ecosystems, even better. There's plenty of space since the hard cap is 5,000 people. The intention was to make it broad but contribution focused - as that's the system Decred envisions and builds itself around. If you want to contribute, there's space for you, and if you are contributing to Decred in the future, there's opportunity for you. Those are the basics of the system everyone's looking to build.

Will there be a slack for decred? I find it great for chatting & file sharing as compared to IRC. Its free version is great if someone keeps backup logs as it shows only 10K msgs on all channels.

As you may now, veteran devs are pretty set in their ways. There's a security protocol in place around development communication and code before mainnet is live and open-source, so it's unlikely devs will make their way to an external service like slack - especially since they're focused now. If Decred members (that includes you) want to set one up, the project will make sure there's representation in there with someone who can communicate with devs prior to mainnet. Once mainnet is live and public, even IRC will have more activity and other mediums too. So feel free to set it up if you want and let people know here so community members can engage and organise that way too - you've got freedom here, don't need to ask for permission!
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So, should i assume that airdrop is not up for discussion?

Everything is up for discussion - but at this point in time all effort the project has is going into making sure the technology works as intended and is tested properly. That's the primary focus now. The logic behind the structure of the airdrop is for it to be as simple as possible. It will all be over in a single block.

Also, the name could be D(ecentralized)-Cred(it), so D-Cred with ticker DCRD

Funny you should mention that, pretty sure it came up in early discussions. In all likelihood it'll end up being a made-up word now in terms of meaning - have it take on a meaning people ascribe to it over time.

@decred I still dont get the starting block reward, can you give me a number?

31.13408239.

Thanks for replying. I have been reading MC2 thread and your blog etc so maybe i picked up on that name there. Someone mentione ticker XDC which is a good option if it is available.

You talked about non-coding contribution. Is running full nodes, mining/staking also considered contribution or it has to be with designing, marketing, blogging or community management/support on various social platforms?

EDIT: Will there be a slack for decred? I find it great for chatting & file sharing as compared to IRC. Its free version is great if someone keeps backup logs as it shows only 10K msgs on all channels.

I'll let someone else answer about what non-coding contributions are (other than again saying we want to be pretty inclusive in how we consider things).

As for slac vs IRC, personally, I really prefer IRC.  I already use it for a number of other projects and communities that I'm part of and am very used to it.  Also looks like slac is not open source and does not run on *BSD (where I do a lot of my work) so I'm fairly unlikely to use it.  Does not mean other might not be interested, but I know that at least a few other people on the current team probably feel that way too.

i guess it comes down to your personal preference so we might end up having both. I like it as its available on mobile & all 3 major OS & its easy to share files right in the app. Maybe slack for general community & IRC for tech discussions.
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ill be mining this coin next year...

thanks for all the information  Smiley
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So, should i assume that airdrop is not up for discussion?

Everything is up for discussion - but at this point in time all effort the project has is going into making sure the technology works as intended and is tested properly. That's the primary focus now. The logic behind the structure of the airdrop is for it to be as simple as possible. It will all be over in a single block.

Also, the name could be D(ecentralized)-Cred(it), so D-Cred with ticker DCRD

Funny you should mention that, pretty sure it came up in early discussions. In all likelihood it'll end up being a made-up word now in terms of meaning - have it take on a meaning people ascribe to it over time.

@decred I still dont get the starting block reward, can you give me a number?

31.13408239.

Thanks for replying. I have been reading MC2 thread and your blog etc so maybe i picked up on that name there. Someone mentione ticker XDC which is a good option if it is available.

You talked about non-coding contribution. Is running full nodes, mining/staking also considered contribution or it has to be with designing, marketing, blogging or community management/support on various social platforms?

EDIT: Will there be a slack for decred? I find it great for chatting & file sharing as compared to IRC. Its free version is great if someone keeps backup logs as it shows only 10K msgs on all channels.

I'll let someone else answer about what non-coding contributions are (other than again saying we want to be pretty inclusive in how we consider things).

As for slac vs IRC, personally, I really prefer IRC.  I already use it for a number of other projects and communities that I'm part of and am very used to it.  Also looks like slac is not open source and does not run on *BSD (where I do a lot of my work) so I'm fairly unlikely to use it.  Does not mean other might not be interested, but I know that at least a few other people on the current team probably feel that way too.
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Also, the name could be D(ecentralized)-Cred(it), so D-Cred with ticker DCRD

Funny you should mention that, pretty sure it came up in early discussions. In all likelihood it'll end up being a made-up word now in terms of meaning - have it take on a meaning people ascribe to it over time.

Dcred.it is growing on me.  The 'D' doesn't just connote decentralization but also System D, as well as removing (de-leting) sovereign debt/financialization from the world order.

Better than my crummy suggestion of SprawlCoin or GridCash!   Cheesy

Here's to hopin' they pick it up, for it was freely given to them as a gift. If anybody else picks it up first, please consider passing it to them for cost at the most.
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So, should i assume that airdrop is not up for discussion?

Everything is up for discussion - but at this point in time all effort the project has is going into making sure the technology works as intended and is tested properly. That's the primary focus now. The logic behind the structure of the airdrop is for it to be as simple as possible. It will all be over in a single block.

Also, the name could be D(ecentralized)-Cred(it), so D-Cred with ticker DCRD

Funny you should mention that, pretty sure it came up in early discussions. In all likelihood it'll end up being a made-up word now in terms of meaning - have it take on a meaning people ascribe to it over time.

@decred I still dont get the starting block reward, can you give me a number?

31.13408239.

Thanks for replying. I have been reading MC2 thread and your blog etc so maybe i picked up on that name there. Someone mentione ticker XDC which is a good option if it is available.

You talked about non-coding contribution. Is running full nodes, mining/staking also considered contribution or it has to be with designing, marketing, blogging or community management/support on various social platforms?

EDIT: Will there be a slack for decred? I find it great for chatting & file sharing as compared to IRC. Its free version is great if someone keeps backup logs as it shows only 10K msgs on all channels.
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I am interested in potentially submitting some contributions, either personally or with my team.

If you haven't already done so, sign up for the airdrop (can be as a team, but it's recommended you do it individually). If you want to talk about specific contributions get in touch on here or any of the other platforms (some of the devs are also in #decred on irc.freenode.net).
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Have you set up any vendors yet that want to start taking Dcred. For this to go it is going to have to be spent. And just converting it to Fiat is not gonna make it grow.
I wanna mine, stake and spend. Can't wait to fill up my wallet and pass some to my friends.

Donny


On-chain dice is the traditional first use case for a bootstrapping new coin.   Cool

We shouldn't approach vendors until it actually exists and has been verified to work properly/safely.  They ain't got time for no vaporware!

Of course getting XDC listed on exchanges should start ASAP.

Agree with the points on vendors and exchanges. We as a community will have to make that happen, since the primary focus now is making sure the technology is up and running and tested thoroughly. Beyond that, anything done will be a collaborative effort anyone can engage in. Lots of energy in the community, so no doubt we'll be able to make it happen if the tech is solid.
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looking good count me in Smiley
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Welcome back guys,
Its a gd mix of people here, lots  of matured traders, so many friends and enemies unite with the same goal.  Wink
im sure this coin will do well...im gona pump the fk outta this  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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I am interested in potentially submitting some contributions, either personally or with my team.
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Have you set up any vendors yet that want to start taking Dcred. For this to go it is going to have to be spent. And just converting it to Fiat is not gonna make it grow.
I wanna mine, stake and spend. Can't wait to fill up my wallet and pass some to my friends.

Donny


On-chain dice is the traditional first use case for a bootstrapping new coin.   Cool

We shouldn't approach vendors until it actually exists and has been verified to work properly/safely.  They ain't got time for no vaporware!

Of course getting XDC listed on exchanges should start ASAP.
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Have you set up any vendors yet that want to start taking Dcred. For this to go it is going to have to be spent. And just converting it to Fiat is not gonna make it grow.
I wanna mine, stake and spend. Can't wait to fill up my wallet and pass some to my friends.

Donny
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