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Quote from: shveicar on December 17, 2015, 04:50:36 AM

Hi.
I look at this picture

and I can not understand who was born first and who was cloned Cool

Only clearly visible large premine and attempt to play on the famous name whose is remembered many Dutch people

or is it the same developers have launched two similar coins that would collect more bitcoins for them?

All Altcoins are clones and Bitcoin is their parent. You can track all changes from that moment on github.

Electronic gulden was first : Block 1 = 2014-03-19 12:17:12 : https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/block.dws?1b0122efc2c3fc3cb314468ab8e157146827ea55d0535d2c342e2bbd82fb467c.htm
Guldencoin came second : Block 1 = 2014-03-29 12:09:22 : https://explorer.gulden.com/#/block/756e5147f48e143f7468b881571ac947f39950819c82d8d17ee7ceaa8e3a6628
We suppose the second caused the confusion by selecting a similar name. Later (only this summer) they obtruded further by changing their name from guldencoin to gulden

Conception of Electronic Gulden was done by an anonymous group that spend half of the premine on the project but they retreated because the project grew too big. They handed over the entire project, without keeping a single EFL, to the community that formed a non-profit foundation : Electronic Gulden Foundation. The purpose of the foundation is to maintain the network, to educate and to distribute the remaining premine to new audience within the dutch community.

Conception of Guldencoin was done by a group of four, as they presented themselves at the start. Their visible constitution has thanged over time, but their identity has been withdrawn from their public website. It is unclear to us who "owns" Gulden and the access to its premine now. You might ask that question to their community and share it with us.

As buurman says we want to avoid confusion and hassle over the name. The abbreviation of e-Gulden (the official name of the coin) has allways been EFL and we have chosen to gradually adopt EFL as the official name. Talking about "abusing" the name gulden to win Dutch sentiment has hardly been done on purpose. The foundation focuses entirely on the adoption of EFL by the dutch society. We don't "market" outside and we only explain EFL on this english podium to the rest of the world. The Gulden community does the contrary. They specifically market abroad by presenting regionalized versions of their wallet, website and other presentations. Most of their talking is in english. They clearly try to thrive on international sentiment towards Dutch economic success within the actual Bitcoin community, while we focus on new adoption within the Dutch community. No need to tell who is doing the hard work. From the point of view of the Bitcoin community however, either coin is equally accessable : throuh exchanges and egulden-qt.exe

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Quote from: shveicar on December 17, 2015, 04:50:36 AM

Hi.
I look at this picture

and I can not understand who was born first and who was cloned Cool

Only clearly visible large premine and attempt to play on the famous name whose is remembered many Dutch people

or is it the same developers have launched two similar coins that would collect more bitcoins for them?

Both coins are absolutely independent of each other. The way they operate is quite different. EFl (we don't use Gulden anymore because everbody links this coin to the PPV, the rightwing political party of Geert Wilders, the government is still using it and most people don't even remember it anymore) is very busy with a new project called EFL 2.0 using a unique new concept. This concept makes it possible that people using EFL make money just bij paying with it or accepting it. Gulden just trusts it's technology is good enough to convince people to use it. EFL doesn't and want to offer a lot more.

shveicar

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DMD info: https://diamond-info.github.io/

Hi.
I look at this picture

and I can not understand who was born first and who was cloned Cool

Only clearly visible large premine and attempt to play on the famous name whose is remembered many Dutch people

or is it the same developers have launched two similar coins that would collect more bitcoins for them?

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Quote from: dragonseer on December 15, 2015, 09:10:50 PM

Hello all,

I am preparing a virtual machine with tor browsing and a few crypto wallets pre installed (or unpacking with one macro command). The platform is Xubuntu 14.04. I am interested in maintaining a blockchain torrent as well. EFL would be suitable for having a regional flavour of a virtual machine OS. The final product will be distributed for VMware to run on either the Workstation player or Fusion, for PC/MAC. Anyone that can assist with the right packages/repos etc would be appreciated.

You might want to use the free VirtualBox. (It's free as in 'free beer' and as in 'free speech')

This would be the ppa you'd need: https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/ubuntu/bitcoin To get libdb4.8 and the bitcoind and bitcoin-qt binaries, so you won't have to compile these.
The ppa command resides in either software-properties-commmon (latest Ubuntu) or python-software-properties

From the top of my head this is how you'd compile almost any coin. Though the latest versions of bitcoin contain some breaking changes.

Code:

$ sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
$ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
$ sudo apt-get update

Now check what the latest version is. The commands below work for v1.2.0.4, which currently is the latest though this will change in the future: https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden/releases

This would download and install the full egulden daemon:

Code:

$ sudo apt-get install install git build-essential libdb4.8++-dev libssl-dev libboost-all-dev
$ git clone https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden.git --depth=1 -b v1.2.0.4 /tmp/egulden \
	&& cd /tmp/egulden/src \
	&& make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=- \
	&& strip eguldend \
	&& cp eguldend /usr/local/bin/eguldend \
	&& rm -rf /tmp/egulden \
	&& chown root:staff /usr/local/bin/eguldend \
	&& chmod +x /usr/local/bin/eguldend

This would download and install the egulden QT client:

Code:

$ sudo apt-get install qt4-qmake libqt4-dev build-essential libboost-all-dev libssl-dev libdb4.8++-dev libminiupnpc-dev
$ git clone https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden.git --depth=1 -b v1.2.0.4 /tmp/egulden \
	&& cd /tmp/egulden \
	&& qmake \
        && make \
	&& strip egulden-qt \
	&& cp egulden-qt /usr/local/bin/egulden-qt\
	&& rm -rf /tmp/egulden \
	&& chown root:staff /usr/local/bin/egulden-qt \
	&& chmod +x /usr/local/bin/egulden-qt

If something fails you might want to read these as well. They are almost the same for any coin:

https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md
https://github.com/Electronic-Gulden-Foundation/egulden/blob/master/doc/readme-qt.rst

Feel free to contact me if you need help.

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Hello all,

I am preparing a virtual machine with tor browsing and a few crypto wallets pre installed (or unpacking with one macro command). The platform is Xubuntu 14.04. I am interested in maintaining a blockchain torrent as well. EFL would be suitable for having a regional flavour of a virtual machine OS. The final product will be distributed for VMware to run on either the Workstation player or Fusion, for PC/MAC. Anyone that can assist with the right packages/repos etc would be appreciated.

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Quote from: EFLFoundation on December 14, 2015, 05:12:13 PM

All right, EFLfoundation is being considered as a newbe on bitcointalk.
That is a challenge. If you would ask anybody what he would consider to be a newbe it would be something like "new kid in town", ignorant, to be educated.
That makes such a forum awkward. Someone sets the rules and these become a new reality. Just talk a lot and get rewarded for nonsence. Modelling real life is difficult though so lets cope with the rules.

Except for the stigma, there is not much wrong with being a newbe. There are just some inconveniences though, like not being allowed to post pictures. That's why the picture of Christaan Huygens has disappeared from the first message in this threat.
Strange, because posting a picture should be rated as thousand words, lifting you straight to member state.

So you will see some posts from us the weeks that follow. Maybe we can get rid of the newbe qualification. This post shouln't count by the way, because it is just nonsence. Not relevant to cryptocurrency. Except for one thing maybe: EFLFoundation itself is relevant to cryptocurrency.

You're absolutely right. Yelling to each other is rewarded. Educational things aren't. I had a discussion about this with the moderator but without any results.

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You don't see them here on bitcointalk, but we do receive quite some questions about the progress of our projects.
In our weekly Journal (send an email to [email protected] to subscribe) we give regular updates on motivation, planning and progress. Remind that the Journal is dutch, but here you find the latest update.

Remind that the fundamentals of cryptocurrency are profound but compact. EFL, like Bitcoin, offers a rock-solid API that allow to build immense structures on top. Our (The Electronic Gulden Foundation) strategy is not to focus on improvement but to be alert to changes in the basic software and to follow suit. It seems like the entire bitcoin community is trying to outsmart Bitcoin. We focus on layering on top. One example is https://efl.nl . EFL2.0 goes further but, as we expressed in the latest Journal, knowledge is sufficently available but we could use more manpower. That's why EFL2.0 will take some time to complete.

Our prime project is named EFiliaaL. We devided the work in four subprojects :

Planning and analysis : marketing analysis and planning, organisational planning, PR planning
Technical prototyping : You understand
Organisation prototyping : Testing and solidifying the concepts from planning and analysis
Education : Very important and a lot of work and preparation

A lot of unforeseens can (and probably will) happen but our goal is to present a working EFiliaaL around Q2-2016. Yes we are known to be optimistic and Idealistic. We believe that we share that with you however because you yourself are engaged with cryptocurrency.

Before we forget : Calls to action are important. So here is one : Don't hesitate to comment!

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All right, EFLfoundation is being considered as a newbe on bitcointalk.
That is a challenge. If you would ask anybody what he would consider to be a newbe it would be something like "new kid in town", ignorant, to be educated.
That makes such a forum awkward. Someone sets the rules and these become a new reality. Just talk a lot and get rewarded for nonsence. Modelling real life is difficult though so lets cope with the rules.

Except for the stigma, there is not much wrong with being a newbe. There are just some inconveniences though, like not being allowed to post pictures. That's why the picture of Christaan Huygens has disappeared from the first message in this threat.
Strange, because posting a picture should be rated as thousand words, lifting you straight to member state.

So you will see some posts from us the weeks that follow. Maybe we can get rid of the newbe qualification. This post shouln't count by the way, because it is just nonsence. Not relevant to cryptocurrency. Except for one thing maybe: EFLFoundation itself is relevant to cryptocurrency.

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The journal is written in Dutch; The index is translated here :

EFL in stead of e-Gulden
What is a 51% attack?
Why EFL - de debt question
EFL - Statistics
Bitcoin Journal
Bitcoin graphs
Yoshi and the usage of EFL.NL

PDF-version

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The EFL-Journal is a dutch publication. The cover says "More EFL for your Euro?" and "EFL as a new UBER one day on fifth Avenue"

The index is translated here :

De new UBER? That is what we are!
Receive your welcome EFL
EFL : To present and alternative to the current financial system
Q&A - What determines the price of EFL
EFL graphics and statistics
EFL visiting Yoshi
Join EFL-promotion and earn

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Great job Yoshi!!

btw, OP should be re-designed to look more like NLG Tongue

Not because is NLG, is because they have a great desing
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/na-554412

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new EFL Journal this Wednesday!

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I will be on Dutch national tv tomorrow in about 20 hours at 8 o'clock (gmt+1). The link to live tv is www.npo.nl/npo3 The reason for the broadcast is the newest state on the planet, Wonderland where I live for over a month now. During the interview I also mention EFL, but ofcourse this is no guarantee that it will also be on air. In the mean time, I am talking to a lot of people who have never heard of cryptomoney and I am going to help Wonderland create a fair moneysystem, based on full reserve banking without interest. The group behind Wonderland has about 4000 participants and if I really manage to get the massage across our community will see some spectacular growth. There are a lot of other things going on that I unfortunately can't share with everybody, but just keep an eye on the price of EFL.

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First EFL journal, completely in Dutch, but let me translate that we got BIP44 recognition: egulden.org/flip/efljournaal1.html

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Quote from: Trackcoins on November 07, 2015, 03:37:16 PM

Yes. Dump nlg to under 300 it is shit coin with no future.

That is a primitive motivation. NLG is a blockchain experiment in its own right. Carefully watch the effects of good or bad decisions of trained programmers. This can help us all. The market serves as a democratic voting system. Keep up your standards please!

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Quote from: Trackcoins on November 07, 2015, 03:37:16 PM

Quote from: NLGer on November 05, 2015, 03:57:25 PM

Hey Yoshi Livo, keep up the good work.
i better change my NLG for EFL Tongue

Yes. Dump nlg to under 300 it is shit coin with no future.

It's a shit coin with no future, please dont resort to tactics used by that cult, you can say alot about nlg, cult, scietology like, tech minded, but not that it's a shit coin, acceptance is something alot of alts can learn from with NLG....

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Quote from: NLGer on November 05, 2015, 03:57:25 PM

Hey Yoshi Livo, keep up the good work.
i better change my NLG for EFL Tongue

Yes. Dump nlg to under 300 it is shit coin with no future.

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Hey Yoshi Livo, keep up the good work.
i better change my NLG for EFL Tongue

Yoshi Livo

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Just had a short interview on dutch national radio, this is a picture of the newspaperarticle today, unfortunately selectively quoted (again) and without mentioning eGulden (again), but we just keep on going until i get enough time or space to explain myself properly

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