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Topic: [ANN][FAIR] FairCoin - for a fair economy, featuring proof-of-cooperation - page 87. (Read 376780 times)

legendary
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http://rcpp.lensbased.net/post/117693164755/the-tale-of-robin-hood-retold

Since the strategy of playing the stock market to make money to invest in the common is ultimately reinforcing the logic of financialization rather than supporting an alternative. This position, which is quite common amongst Marxist and leftist milieus, seems to me to be based on a reading of financialization that sees it as a kind of “false economy" which is the opposed to the real value-producing activities of labor. But what if, following the lead of post-workerist Marxism, we thought about financialization as the answer of capital to the new conditions of production of value which are no longer exclusively contained in the wage-labor relation, and hence released from the classical labor theory of value? What if financialization was the “communism of capital” as described by Christian Marazzi? That is, seeing finance as a kind of ‘black mirror’ that reflects to us, darkly, the common as the new engine of production, which demands new ways of redistributing wealth, generating liquidity and allocating funding and investments? What if the future of production is the positing of a social and economic space, which precedes the division of labor and which can no longer be just compensated by wages, but rather requires a new allocation of risk, liquidity, cash flows and optionalities? 

http://rcpp.lensbased.net/post/117693164755/the-tale-of-robin-hood-retold
legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Next step Namecoin!!   Shocked

Only 10% more and we will advance an historical cryptocurrency for descentralized dns networks   Cheesy
hero member
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Agreement between bitchain.es ,  Chip chap and FairCoop  to extend the ATM network and install  two ways ATM with bitcoin & faircoin

http://www.Bitchain.es another Spanish bitcoin startup that joins faircoin environment, and see that the future of crypto is bitcoin & faircoin

(in spanish)

https://twitter.com/BitchainATM/status/601032335258198016

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11430420
This is just great.
newbie
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i think many will apply to recover their faircoins now :p
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1122
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Agreement between bitchain.es ,  Chip chap and FairCoop  to extend the ATM network and install  two ways ATM with bitcoin & faircoin

http://www.Bitchain.es another Spanish bitcoin startup that joins faircoin environment, and see that the future of crypto is bitcoin & faircoin

(in spanish)

https://twitter.com/BitchainATM/status/601032335258198016

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11430420
brand new
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?

There are many reasons, for example because there is an idea behind Faircoin and a motivation to promote fair trade and human values. That is the reason why Faircoin is $2M and soon will be worth $3M and will continue to grow because there are ideas behind Faircoin more than speculation. So the question is when this coin will reach the value of Bitcoin?
sr. member
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?

I really understand that somebody who is new to FairCoin/FairCoop is overwhelmed with the fullness of projects, dedicated people, great ideas and with the vision all collaborators share: to build a new global economic system based on cooperation, ethics, solidarity and justice in our economic relations.

Read: https://fair.coop/faircoop/

regs
Thomas

Thanks friends!

You made it really before the 3M. After that getfaircoins funds of today came in, and now we are already in the new stage  Grin

3.000.000 !!! Amazing but well deserved  Cool Cool Cool

I also sent all the Faircoop articles and interviews with Enric as news tips to a number of crypto and news sites, so I hope they will pick it up and create some new articles about it to spread the word of the FAIR revolution.
legendary
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?

I really understand that somebody who is new to FairCoin/FairCoop is overwhelmed with the fullness of projects, dedicated people, great ideas and with the vision all collaborators share: to build a new global economic system based on cooperation, ethics, solidarity and justice in our economic relations.

Read: https://fair.coop/faircoop/

regs
Thomas

Thanks friends!

You made it really before the 3M. After that getfaircoins funds of today came in, and now we are already in the new stage  Grin
legendary
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i have a question.
if some day ,there have no sell order on bitrrex any more.or not enough sell on bitrrex
or if there have 100000 FAIR buys in getfaircoin .  but there only have 20000 FAIR sells in bitrrex.
then what will happen ?




That is never going to happen. Even you will sell at a price ... I don't know what price that might be when 1FAIR = 1Euro or 1FAIR == 200Euro.. but believe me you will sell it at some price Smiley
legendary
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?

Go to coinmarketcap.. Check ths graph of this coin.. compare it to ANY other coin.... you will find something you have never seen before... a constant growth for the past year.. if that dosen't satisfy you do some reading on fair.coop  Cheesy
sr. member
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?


Any volunteer to explain him why are we up to 2M, before we get 3M  ?  Wink

don`t worry  about that actually:)...as a hero member he should be able to figure it out..lol

I am sure he bought the hero account...

full member
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?

I really understand that somebody who is new to FairCoin/FairCoop is overwhelmed with the fullness of projects, dedicated people, great ideas and with the vision all collaborators share: to build a new global economic system based on cooperation, ethics, solidarity and justice in our economic relations.

Read: https://fair.coop/faircoop/

regs
Thomas
hero member
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?


Any volunteer to explain him why are we up to 2M, before we get 3M  ?  Wink

don`t worry  about that actually:)...as a hero member he should be able to figure it out..lol
legendary
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Okay, seriously: why is this coin $2M?


Any volunteer to explain him why are we up to 2M, before we get 3M  ?  Wink
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https://fair.coop/docs/new-faircoop-startup-p2p-equity-crowdfunding-and-liquidity-fund/


FairCoin 2.0 will be an important blockchain-based innovation to allow the Faircoin blockchain to function, secured with ‘proof of cooperation’, and bring to the world a really functional alternative to the current unfair systems that are based on competition between nodes: ‘proof of work’ and ‘proof of stake’.
(A link to the white paper on this project will be added).

interesting...  Smiley


Ho well anyway, I think faircoin will eventuallty moving away from PoS, as thokon00 said.  Wink

Any form of PoS will inherently benefit the most for those with the biggest pile of coins.  It was bit of an eye opener for me, but actually any form of interest is debt based: The whole point of the banks is that they offer interest over money so that they can make more profit on loans. Even without the actual loan on the other side counter balancing the interest rate, PoS will put pressure on the market and decrease a coins value. You can actually see this happening in large with MintCoin and ZeitCoin which have a huge PoS reward.

A form of decentralised Proof of Coop (PoC?) is more towards a human process to acknowledge the cooperation you have done with a reward. The model needs to be simple as well as uncrackable w/o the need to bring out a new piece of software whenever a trusted node (read human) is added, removed or disappears (for health or trust reasons). The biggest challenge will be that people (we possibly even may trust) will try game the system and we need to be prepared for that.

Last but not least; I'm not sure if we should completely get rid of PoS, since it's a fairly cheap way to generate transactions which secure the network. We may want to just trim down the pos reward to the bare minimum or a fixed value just as we're doing now with PoW.

@smartaction; I'm looking forward to the complete whitepaper. Smiley

Please, just make sure that any change will lead to an increase of security, any change that would reduce it should be avoid imo.

Also make sure the coin is somehow inflationnary because any debt in a deflationnary economy is very dangerous. I mean faircredit would not be the place where I would take credit if faircoin is deflationnary or near deflationnary.
legendary
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Lots of people using faircoin to pay there bills @ BitBill thats just great!
full member
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best of luck on getting faircoin to attention on Ouishare festival

Yeah! You can vote until tomorrow for faircoop here
http://awards.ouishare.net/2015/vote/

(online votes will mean 25% of the results, physical votes will mean 75% )



allready voted...


twice  Cheesy

i voted for Three times
newbie
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best of luck on getting faircoin to attention on Ouishare festival

Yeah! You can vote until tomorrow for faircoop here
http://awards.ouishare.net/2015/vote/

(online votes will mean 25% of the results, physical votes will mean 75% )



allready voted...


twice  Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1918
Merit: 1122
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i have a question.
if some day ,there have no sell order on bitrrex any more.or not enough sell on bitrrex
or if there have 100000 FAIR buys in getfaircoin .  but there only have 20000 FAIR sells in bitrrex.
then what will happen ?


Haha, this question shows that you are seen like me how thin the sell order book,  is  Grin

Well there are personal reserves that we can use if needed, not only in case that there are not enough sells
but in case that the sells are too much expensive. Thanks to that we can cover the getfaircoin.net service without being too much worried

By the way, if some one needs to make a big sell sometime ask me, and i could manage that with getfaircoin....   Wink
sr. member
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Faircoin Development Team Member
https://fair.coop/docs/new-faircoop-startup-p2p-equity-crowdfunding-and-liquidity-fund/


FairCoin 2.0 will be an important blockchain-based innovation to allow the Faircoin blockchain to function, secured with ‘proof of cooperation’, and bring to the world a really functional alternative to the current unfair systems that are based on competition between nodes: ‘proof of work’ and ‘proof of stake’.
(A link to the white paper on this project will be added).

interesting...  Smiley


Ho well anyway, I think faircoin will eventuallty moving away from PoS, as thokon00 said.  Wink

Any form of PoS will inherently benefit the most for those with the biggest pile of coins.  It was bit of an eye opener for me, but actually any form of interest is debt based: The whole point of the banks is that they offer interest over money so that they can make more profit on loans. Even without the actual loan on the other side counter balancing the interest rate, PoS will put pressure on the market and decrease a coins value. You can actually see this happening in large with MintCoin and ZeitCoin which have a huge PoS reward.

A form of decentralised Proof of Coop (PoC?) is more towards a human process to acknowledge the cooperation you have done with a reward. The model needs to be simple as well as uncrackable w/o the need to bring out a new piece of software whenever a trusted node (read human) is added, removed or disappears (for health or trust reasons). The biggest challenge will be that people (we possibly even may trust) will try game the system and we need to be prepared for that.

Last but not least; I'm not sure if we should completely get rid of PoS, since it's a fairly cheap way to generate transactions which secure the network. We may want to just trim down the pos reward to the bare minimum or a fixed value just as we're doing now with PoW.

@smartaction; I'm looking forward to the complete whitepaper. Smiley
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