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Kazimir - you're right here, but at the current price, I still don't believe it's the most profitable coin out there.
Haven't done the math, though, so could be wrong..

According to WhatMine, GRS is the third most profitable coin. First is an X11 coin called Logicoin, second is a scrypt-N called SiliconValleyCoin. As you can see, X11 and Groestl are among the first and scrypt is taking a step back.
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Kazimir - you're right here, but at the current price, I still don't believe it's the most profitable coin out there.
Haven't done the math, though, so could be wrong..
legendary
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I believe that the bulk of the miners are directed by whatever coin is the more profitable to mine at the moment X.
Agree.

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Thus, only if the price of GRS were to go up, that is what would determine a surge in net hashpower => greater difficulty => less coins/(k/M)hash.
I think, in the end, only profitability as a percentage is what really counts. The percentage of gains vs costs. X amount of money buys me an amount of energy that allows to perform a number of hashes that result in mining an amount of some particular altcoin that is worth Y amount of money. X and Y are expressed in some unit of money (USD, BTC, the particular coin you're mining, doesn't matter). Now Y/X is the profitability, this is the only number that really matters (and should be larger than 1).
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Might be a good idea to use these ASIC devices to our advantage - If we set up a MultiPool for script coins that the ASICs can mine then we sell the coins and buy Groestl in turn helping the price then we pay out in Groestl.
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Guido
My 3 r9 280x running 765kh/s in scrypt
Core clock 1080
Mem clock 1500
Temps: 70c-74c
Fan RPM: 2800 - 3000 (85%)
1100W

My 3 r9 280x running 765kh/s in groestl
Core clock 1150
Mem clock 1500
Temps: 60c-65c
Fan RPM: 1200-1400 (50%)
500W

Long life to my miner!!!



 
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WOw

my miner in scrypt had 1100W of consumption
my miner in groestl had 500W

ITs amazing!!!


Than why to drop "energy efficient"?

Less power does not equal "energy efficient"
since:
2x hashrate = 2x difficulty = staus quo

But i do wonder whether the energy footprint of the network as a whole could be reduced with AES HW implementations Smiley

More importantly Groestlcoin reduces the efficiency gap between different platforms Smiley
legendary
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The real advantage of Groestl is that it can and is accelerated by the hardware AES support present in most modern Intel CPUs, which helps reduce the efficiency gap between a CPU and other implementations.
Fair point.

WOw

my miner in scrypt had 1100W of consumption
my miner in groestl had 500W

ITs amazing!!!
So, exactly what is the use of this?

If it's more than twice as cheap (in terms of energy consumption) to mine groestl, twice as many people will start mining it, difficulty (and thus, energy cost) goes up twice. Advantage: exactly nothing.

Think about it.

There is no "more or less energy efficient". There may be just "more CPU efficient, relatively to GPU or ASIC". Mind the "relatively", it's crucial.
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WOw

my miner in scrypt had 1100W of consumption
my miner in groestl had 500W

ITs amazing!!!


Than why to drop "energy efficient"?
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Guido
WOw

my miner in scrypt had 1100W of consumption
my miner in groestl had 500W

ITs amazing!!!
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This is just plain retarded. Isn't mining supposed to be NOT efficient? I mean, if mining were so efficient, more people will start mining, so difficulty goes op, so mining becomes less efficient. The actual algorithm behind it, whether it be SHA256, Scrypt, or any of the SHA3 candidates like Groestl, doesn't make a shit difference. Well, to some extent, scrypt could make ASIC mining less feasible. Otherwise, no difference whatsoever.
 
Sounds like a completely useless sales pitch for yet another obsolete coin. Just the makers hoping to get rich quick by this utter "less noise, less heat and less electricity" bullshit.


You are of course correct about the "energy efficiency" assertion.
2x hashrate = 2x difficulty = staus quo
You may observe I have pointed this out myself in the past.

Plus further optimizations will also increase the power draw.

We were planning on dropping the "energy efficient" and "asic resistance" messaging before you politely joined the thread.

The real advantage of Groestl is that it can and is accelerated by the hardware AES support present in most modern Intel CPUs, which helps reduce the efficiency gap between a CPU and other implementations. The reason Groestl benefits from AES HW support is because Groestl itself bears a striking similarity to AES and utilizes an AES S-box. In this way it is destined to work well on all platforms with AES implementations, including latest generation ARM procs. Additionally the Groestl algo demonstrates a resistance to paralleization with would reduce ASIC advantage.

The new messaging will be along the line of:

Excellent performance on multiple platforms + reduced ASIC advantage* = ultimate PoW = democratized mining = Groestlcoin.

This statement is true. Not PR.

thanks Kazimir. You have helped to teach me self-restraint  Cool


*Adam Back cited this as being a measure of an improved PoW algo.

btw it may be that AES HW implementations can help reduce the energy footprint of the network as a whole.
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Too many theoretical-philosophical shit and difficulty / price have still decreasing tendency. Last 24 hours showed naked true: only 10 BTC can fired up or down GRS. And that is a problem

Kiddy"s fight for own truth brought nothing
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Kazimir, I may misunderstand you, but doesn't this affirmation
This is just plain retarded. Isn't mining supposed to be NOT efficient? I mean, if mining were so efficient, more people will start mining, so difficulty goes op, so mining becomes less efficient.
contain a false cause fallacy?

I believe that the bulk of the miners are directed by whatever coin is the more profitable to mine at the moment X.
Thus, only if the price of GRS were to go up, that is what would determine a surge in net hashpower => greater difficulty => less coins/(k/M)hash.

I think you are mistaking the cause for the effect. It's, actually, vice versa.


So, to quote your signature, in theory, all the miners would start mining just because it's easy to mine => 'less efficiency' (if by this you're referring to investment return/hash unit).
In practice, if the exchange rate stays constant, there would be no logical reason for miners to mine it, if other coins rise in value, would it?

Just my 2¢...
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make it POS and it will go into sky within days. POS + best algo. Simple as that.
dga
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This is just plain retarded. Isn't mining supposed to be NOT efficient? I mean, if mining were so efficient, more people will start mining, so difficulty goes op, so mining becomes less efficient. The actual algorithm behind it, whether it be SHA256, Scrypt, or any of the SHA3 candidates like Groestl, doesn't make a shit difference. Well, to some extent, scrypt could make ASIC mining less feasible. Otherwise, no difference whatsoever.
 
Sounds like a completely useless sales pitch for yet another obsolete coin. Just the makers hoping to get rich quick by this utter "less noise, less heat and less electricity" bullshit.


You're half right.  But power is only half of the equation - the amortized cost of the hardware is the other half.  Mining ASICs demonstrate this pretty clearly - more capital cost and lower power cost.

But most of Groestl's "energy efficiency" is because the implementations were/are slow.  Yam uses a lot of power on a CPU.  Christian has already noted that their super-groestl uses more power on a GPU.
legendary
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This is just plain retarded. Isn't mining supposed to be NOT efficient? I mean, if mining were so efficient, more people will start mining, so difficulty goes op, so mining becomes less efficient. The actual algorithm behind it, whether it be SHA256, Scrypt, or any of the SHA3 candidates like Groestl, doesn't make a shit difference. Well, to some extent, scrypt could make ASIC mining less feasible. Otherwise, no difference whatsoever.
 
Sounds like a completely useless sales pitch for yet another obsolete coin. Just the makers hoping to get rich quick by this utter "less noise, less heat and less electricity" bullshit.
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Dev of yam miner
this table is amazing!!!

***AMD Radeon R9 290 (9.8 MH/s)=100%
***Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti (9 MH/s)=92%
**AMD Radeon R9 280X (7.7 MH/s)=78%
**AMD Radeon 5850 (6 MH/s)=61%
Intel Xeon E5 2697 v2 (4.4 MH/s)=45%
NVidia 750Ti (3.3 MH/s)=34%
Intel Core i7 3930K (2.3 MH/s)=24%
Intel Core 2 Quad 9550 (1.2 MH/s)=12%


Wellcome all miners!!!happy mining!!!

Some additional numbers:

Intel Xeon E5 1650 (1.75 MH/s)
NVidia 650Ti (1.95MH/s)




Using which miner? Data for CPUs in quoted table is outdated - yam demonstrates much better hashrates on all CPUs, especially Haswells with AVX2.
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Excellent and thank you! Smiley

Perhaps you could also throw this in as mentioned by a shrewd user above:

Groestl can and is accelerated by the hardware AES support present in most modern Intel CPUs, which helps reduce the efficiency gap between a CPU and other implementations.

We are also therefor very excited to see what a latest generation ARM NEON cpuminer with AES support can achieve for Groestlcoin, particularly in terms of power efficiency. A Groestl implementation for ARM NEON exists already and someone just needs to add it into cpuminer. We are offering a BOUNTY of 35k GRS for this ARM miner.





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