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Topic: [ANN][ICO] ⚡ Electroneum ⚡ Token Sale Sept 14th Mobile Mining Crypto Coin - page 277. (Read 315206 times)

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Where can I download the wallet?
hi,

Before Nov 1st (when the blockchain goes live) the only wallet you can use will be assigned to you when you download the app and register for the token sale.

That's you mobile wallet.

once we go live - you'll be able to start transfering ETN around using the app, and windows,mac and linux GUI wallets. You'll be able to create new wallets as well as using the OFFLINE PAPER WALLET (see my.electroneum.com token manager) - where you can safely transfer funds from your mobile wallet for cold storage (and easily retrieve with mobile wallet too).

Thanks!
Richard

Thank you.
But I want desktop wallet. Only phone app available?
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Very much interested, Keeping an eye on it,
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Waiting for tomorrow.Only some hours are left.Hoping for a good deal.
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Hello, it's mentioned in the white paper 6.3 billion out of 21 billion tokens will be issued in the crowdsale. What about the rest? Is there a link that shows the remainder distribution because I couldn't find it.

I'd be interested to know how much for the mining pool, and how much for the promoters / company?

The rest need to be mined from the blockchain with mobile or GUI windows / mac / linux miners.

Thanks!


When we are able to start mining?

Edit:

Okey found that info by myself.

"The mobile miner will become available on Nov 1st, 2017, at the end of the Electroneum crowdfunded Initial Coin Offering (ICO). "

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📱 Electroneum 📱 cryptocurrency
Where can I download the wallet?

hi,

Before Nov 1st (when the blockchain goes live) the only wallet you can use will be assigned to you when you download the app and register for the token sale.

That's you mobile wallet.

once we go live - you'll be able to start transfering ETN around using the app, and windows,mac and linux GUI wallets. You'll be able to create new wallets as well as using the OFFLINE PAPER WALLET (see my.electroneum.com token manager) - where you can safely transfer funds from your mobile wallet for cold storage (and easily retrieve with mobile wallet too).

Thanks!
Richard
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📱 Electroneum 📱 cryptocurrency
Hello, it's mentioned in the white paper 6.3 billion out of 21 billion tokens will be issued in the crowdsale. What about the rest? Is there a link that shows the remainder distribution because I couldn't find it.

I'd be interested to know how much for the mining pool, and how much for the promoters / company?

The rest need to be mined from the blockchain with mobile or GUI windows / mac / linux miners.

Thanks!
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After analyzing the information on this coin, I believe that it will have a successful future and high growth. But, time will tell.
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Where can I download the wallet?
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Promising. Keep an eye on this one  Roll Eyes
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OK first of all, I just want to say, I will be investing in this and love the model in general....

But I have a few criticisms / suggestions:


1) I am worried about the potential for the "smartphone mining" to be a very short flash in the pan. Yes, those that are mining on day one will get a few coins and we could see some cool growth among teenagers and newbies that simply want to say they are involved with the cool math-based currencies. But give this a few weeks even, then the hype amps the value of coins, then the professional mining organizations start taking over and then the casual smartphone app user is getting a fraction of a coin a day if any at all. We need them to keep coming back for a while. They will not come back if nothing is happening.  The Windows, Mac, and Linux based miners will hog it all and I see that potentially stunting the viral growth. Hot-or-Not was a great flash in the pan for a while and was insanely viral, and everyone used it for a month, then nobody looked back at it anymore. We need the casual smartphone user to actually see something happening for at least the next year or so. You won't get this to ubiquity if you get 200,000 users then the mining is fruitless. Nobody will join after that because at that point it doesn't do anything that scores of apps already do, and it won't be a large enough network to be valuable in its own right. We need something that engages them continually....

SUGGESTION: Continue to reward the casual smartphone-based user by rewarding them for recruitment or evangelizing. Have a pool of coins available (since the mining is basically centralized to any degree you want) and reward people based on the number of unique users they recruit directly to the system. Shoot, reward them for the recruits their recruits recruit! Give them a larger cut for their efforts. Make an incentive for each user to become a seller. It will keep a steady crew of people jumping in. Do that for the first year or so then allow the remaining coins to be mined when the network size is so large it is valuable in its own right as a value transfer system. In addition, you show them on the app how many people "downline" have joined based on their individual recruitment efforts so they can always at least come back to see the impact they have had. (e.g. 2,657,888 have joined electronium based on your referrals!) Anything to keep them logging back into the device.

2) You need to publish the specific timeline for coin emission over time. I saw that the coins will be mined over ten years? So how many per day or per block? How front loaded will it be?

SUGGESTION: Publish this information so we know how much we can mine.

3) I applaud the idea that you want to take bitcoin mining to mainstream. This has been needed for so long. I would love to see this succeed! I want my mother on crypto but unless something like this exists, not way that's happening. But for it to succeed there needs to be a roadmap for eventually showing how a system like this can be in compliance with AML/KYC. If any currency is to be ubiquitously used throughout the world, it will be a lightning rod in terms of governmental control and oversight. So I ask, why was the cryptonote tech chosen? Do you really want these transactions to not have a public ledger? I mean I love coins like Monero and they are sooooo vital in the blockchain ecosystem, but eventually you guys will have to answer to government if you get too big. I am looked at as a crazy person in this community when it comes to compliance but I am also a certified AML/KYC expert and the govts of the world will eventually need some kind of oversight on a system like this. You could see govts attack this hard especially if it is a widely-used and strong currency and your team personally could feel some serious heat. You are quite out there and centralized in that the app is the main driver of use. That can be shut down over night with a court order to Apple and Google. I think the govt will be fine with this if you can somehow provide a mechanism to trace transactions on a public ledger at least. The killer-app currency that takes over the world, which will eventually happen, will need to somehow make the enormous financial powers of this world play ball with it. Anonymous transactions + ubiquitously-used global cryptocurrency is a bit of an oxymoron in my opinion. It might have to stay niche like its cousin Monero in other words.

SUGGESTION: Consider allowing only Facebook users to sign up to start. Yes it's a little cheesy. Yes some will not sign up because they don't want the man to know they own this stuff. But, this provides you, as a central organization, at least some ammo when the feds come demanding you help them find criminals that are using YOUR system, assuming they don't co-implicate you guys in helping said criminals execute financial transactions. Facebook is not fool proof as there are plenty of dummy accounts, but the feds LOOOOVE it because it is a treasure trove of investigative information when trying to find a user. Other apps have used this method to great success. You guys are going to automatically be money transmitters by having the level of centralized control over this app that you have. Be prepared to pay a ton of dough to get licensed in all the jurisdictions you allow this app to be downloaded. This heat will come very, very fast if you are growing rapidly. You will need to have some way to know who your users are. If you are truly marketing to the average casual smartphone user, this will be a non-issue for them because most of them are law abiding citizens that have no intention of breaking the law. They will be happy to dish out their personal info too.  They are not the usual crypto-anarchists like all of us right?  Smiley

Secondly, in regard to AML/KYC, I would seriously have considered using a more transparent blockchain model. The feds are actually not minding bitcoin so much because the public ledger does give them the ability to follow transactions to a degree. When bitcoin ends up at the usual exchanges that are AML/KYC compliant, govts have ways of gathering information at that point that helps them find criminals when needed. I realize this is something that is probably too late to consider at all which is understandable, but I do want to voice this as a notable criticism in that there are people starting to hope this could be the next big thing in crypto. Real money will go down on this. If anyone believes this could be THE internet currency, these could be real roadblocks. Will it be used by a devoted fan base? I don't doubt it. But taking over the world will take some very careful planning on how to get past the BIG boys. They will NOT go down easy.


...I have to say this project is one of the most exciting developments I have seen in a long time. I have been waiting for shit like this to start happening.  Maybe electronium can pull off a facebook-sized effect on the world and make this into one of the most widely used tokens to date. If not, I suspect the above discussion points could end up limiting its success.

So, if electronium eventually has only mediocre success? Well, if you are reading this and you are one of the legendary blokes that could build this kind of smartphone system that has the above qualities as well, please tell me about it so my wealthy partners and I can be some of the first to invest and sign up, or hell, we can pay you to build it! I will join any team that is advancing this kind of tech.

Please, electronium, let me know if there is anything more I can do to be of assistance to you in all of this. With respect... BTCINVESTOR


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Hello, it's mentioned in the white paper 6.3 billion out of 21 billion tokens will be issued in the crowdsale. What about the rest? Is there a link that shows the remainder distribution because I couldn't find it.

I'd be interested to know how much for the mining pool, and how much for the promoters / company?
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I will definitely try the app. If it works without confiscating too much resources on the phone, I see this as a pretty good idea. Pretty sure it will be troublesome if battery drainage is too high though.

Sooner or later, there will be a project that shortens the distance between the general public and crypto currencies. I don't know if it will be Electroneum, but at least it seems like your plan. Good marketing people in the mix is probably a necessity, which seems to be in place.

Tempted to invest a bit. With around 6 billion coins in the ICO, it shouldn't raise more than ca 45 mill (depending on the bonus). While a relatively successful launch surely will put the valuation a bit higher than that.


You took the words right out of my mouth.

It will be sold out first day, dont be lazy. If you are going to buy you got 23 hours until it starts.
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I will definitely try the app. If it works without confiscating too much resources on the phone, I see this as a pretty good idea. Pretty sure it will be troublesome if battery drainage is too high though.

Sooner or later, there will be a project that shortens the distance between the general public and crypto currencies. I don't know if it will be Electroneum, but at least it seems like your plan. Good marketing people in the mix is probably a necessity, which seems to be in place.

Tempted to invest a bit. With around 6 billion coins in the ICO, it shouldn't raise more than ca 45 mill (depending on the bonus). While a relatively successful launch surely will put the valuation a bit higher than that.
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A question about 'mobile mining':

I understand from the whitepaper that it is just a simulated mining and I imagine that the coins you get for your 'mobile mining' have to come from
(A) a pool of pre-mined coins or
(B) someone has to mine them with 'real mining' (as in generation of new blocks and adding them to the chain) and distribute them to the mobile miners.
Is it A or B?

In case of A, is it the pool of unsold coins "bonus pool" in the whitepaper? What happens if you sell all of the pre-mined coins in the ICO?

In case of B: Who is doing that job? For how long ...

Neither A or B

The mobile miners are still mining coins.

It's not just premining a bunch of coins and handing them out to the mobile miners via the game. There is a twin algo with a centralized processor that allows them to mine mobile without burning up their phone.

The bonus pool you are asking about amoumts to only 20 million  put aside for bounties out of 6 billion coins in the ICO, and amounts to less than .00095% of all coins. There is zero premine for the devs.

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As for the mobile mining, do you have dater in regards to sustainability? Could it destroy the phone over time? Or is the load the phone has to cope with reasonable?


The mobile app is centralized and runs off a twin algorithm that emits coins from the blockchain at approximately the same rate as the full miners based on a CPU benchmark of the phone. This allows the phone to run without getting hot and without using tons of power and bandwidth that previous attempts at phone mining have needed. But remember, they are not bringing blockchain utility, they are bringing a different utility - they are bringing on users at a ridiculously low CPA, and allowing Electroneum to have viral growth.

We’ve combined a decentralized blockchain with a centralized viral marketing app, that encourages the adoption and accumulation of cryptocurrency through “gamifying” the experience. We call it the Mobile Mining Experience. Our blockchain emits coins to our mobile app users for bring a different utility to the blockchain. Electroneum full miners earn the most coins and that runs on Windows, Linux and Mac computers. They bring the utility of blockchain administration and are rewarded with Electroneum coins. The mobile miners bring the utility of viral marketing to Electroneum and are awarded with a number (smaller) of Electroneum coins for doing so. It's done in a way that encourages app usage. We've essentially gamified the mining experience, making it appeal to mobile computer gamers (there are over 2 billion of them!).





We know electroeum needs to be accessible to people mining on mobile phones. We all know the result so far, its horrible. They have figured out a way to do this by having a specialized algo and a processor. The people mining with their computers  cpu on the main algo will be powering the blockchain. This means it is still decentrailzed.

Some people may complain that it has a centralized componet to the mobile miners, but it doesnt bother me. Im here with what I see as cryptos first chance to really be taken to the masses. We see they have the tech innovation necessary to come thru on their claims to take mining a cryptocurrency to 2 billion users of mobile devices.

It also cant be cloned as easily, or the innovation stolen with it needing a central processor as well.

They are powerhouse marketers, and now that these guys have added gaming to it as well, they will easily penetrate the market with this.

You can say its not decentralized enough for you, but I think someone would be hard pressed to say this is going to lose you money buying in at $.0067.

With the app downloads reaching just 5 million users, which is low in that industry, it would have far above the amount of users as Bitcoin. This you bought for $.0067 and Bitcoin is valued at $4000++. There will be many LEVELS of those buying and selling as the price establishes itself, which call me crazy, but with:

A. An innovativation in cryptocurrency by being first to sucessfully take effectiive mining mobile.

B. Have the product finished at the time of crowdsale

C. Have top of the line, ultra rich, real world marketers behind it.

these things make it pretty hard NOT to go up.

Ive seen much, much more, done with way, way less here.



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As for the mobile mining, do you have dater in regards to sustainability? Could it destroy the phone over time? Or is the load the phone has to cope with reasonable?

The mobile app is centralized and runs off a twin algorithm that emits coins from the blockchain at approximately the same rate as the full miners based on a CPU benchmark of the phone. This allows the phone to run without getting hot and without using tons of power and bandwidth that previous attempts at phone mining have needed. But remember, they are not bringing blockchain utility, they are bringing a different utility - they are bringing on users at a ridiculously low CPA, and allowing Electroneum to have viral growth.

We’ve combined a decentralized blockchain with a centralized viral marketing app, that encourages the adoption and accumulation of cryptocurrency through “gamifying” the experience. We call it the Mobile Mining Experience. Our blockchain emits coins to our mobile app users for bring a different utility to the blockchain. Electroneum full miners earn the most coins and that runs on Windows, Linux and Mac computers. They bring the utility of blockchain administration and are rewarded with Electroneum coins. The mobile miners bring the utility of viral marketing to Electroneum and are awarded with a number (smaller) of Electroneum coins for doing so. It's done in a way that encourages app usage. We've essentially gamified the mining experience, making it appeal to mobile computer gamers (there are over 2 billion of them!).



Thanks for the super detailed explanation!
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A question about 'mobile mining':

I understand from the whitepaper that it is just a simulated mining and I imagine that the coins you get for your 'mobile mining' have to come from
(A) a pool of pre-mined coins or
(B) someone has to mine them with 'real mining' (as in generation of new blocks and adding them to the chain) and distribute them to the mobile miners.
Is it A or B?

In case of A, is it the pool of unsold coins "bonus pool" in the whitepaper? What happens if you sell all of the pre-mined coins in the ICO?

In case of B: Who is doing that job? For how long ...
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