Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 187. (Read 125689 times)
December 16, 2017, 02:37:52 PM
Thats the price of the token, I'm talking about the return amount of each token once it starts
December 16, 2017, 02:36:15 PM
Same issue with me ...my bank suggested it is issue at envion end .. hope they can increase the limit of 5k soon as well .. as it is very low at the mo..
December 16, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
I didnt add them.Could you give me please the contract address, name and decimals so I can do that?
December 16, 2017, 02:33:27 PM
you most likely do have the tokens, did you add the custom token address? you can see your tokens on etherscan or myetherwallet
December 16, 2017, 02:32:03 PM
I understand how busy the team is, but anyone can at least give me a hint why did I get only 24 ENV for 0.25 Eth
December 16, 2017, 02:31:35 PM
If we don't reach the hardcap, does the timeline remain the same? Estimated first small payout at the end of January?
December 16, 2017, 02:31:18 PM
I tried 6-7 times also. Your face has to be in a very good light. Then it will work
December 16, 2017, 02:30:10 PM
Anyone in here knows how much will be the return of$ 100 invested like.
December 16, 2017, 02:24:05 PM
Do we know anything on what exchanges will list envion?
It will list on HitBTC shortly after ICO. Later in january there will be more exchanges announced.
I doubt this as HitBTC does not want any security tokens because theyr legal framwwork does not allow this, is there any statement from HitBTC about this anywhere ?
So you can speak for HitBTC? This information is fact and comes straight from the admin of the Telegram Channel. As far as I know even HitBTC approached Envion directly to list them!
December 16, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
Can someone explain what this line exactly means?
As the whitepaper states:
Does that mean only companies can buy in?
Aren't we all consumers?
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EVN tokens are not offered to subscribers acting in their capacity as consumer. Token can only be acquired by entrepreneurs acting in exercise of his or its trade, business or profession. I hereby confirm by completing the online subscription form that I do not act in my capacity as consumer.
As the whitepaper states:
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A consumer means every natural person who enters into a legal transaction for purposes that predominantly are
outside his trade, business or profession (the “Consumer”).
outside his trade, business or profession (the “Consumer”).
Does that mean only companies can buy in?
Aren't we all consumers?
December 16, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
Looks like this project already shows success in sight. who follows this project is very busy, of course, this project is certainly very good and not too late to try to invest into this interesting project.
December 16, 2017, 01:56:01 PM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.
Matthias himself in an interview expected to raise between 10-60m. They never expected to hit the hard cap. But this is a SCALABLE project which benefits with more economies of SCALE. So it behooves them to have a high hard cap, even if they cannot reach it. This is much unlike other ICO projects, where the team have to cut back on projects if they don't hit the hard cap.
Apologies if I misinterpreted the last line in your post. Are you suggesting that if the hard cap is not met, then the Envion team will need to cut back on their projects. Just want to clarify.
December 16, 2017, 01:26:21 PM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.
Matthias himself in an interview expected to raise between 10-60m. They never expected to hit the hard cap. But this is a SCALABLE project which benefits with more economies of SCALE. So it behooves them to have a high hard cap, even if they cannot reach it. This is much unlike other ICO projects, where the team have to cut back on projects if they don't hit the hard cap.
December 16, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.
Remember: Hardcap is not something they need to reach, as a matter of fact, we want them NOT to reach that level. If they have higher hardcap that means more tokens and your profit will be diluted. Especially because at first they will not be able to deploy all MMU's.
December 16, 2017, 12:35:45 PM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.
December 16, 2017, 12:16:38 PM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.
December 16, 2017, 11:36:40 AM
150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.
December 16, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite
Yes I totally get that we assume that they use the Antminer 9S model. If in the whitepaper that is where they based on their calculations. However, they also state they use an amount of money for research and development. I guess using a newer version of Antminers is considered to fall under development, right?
The model/calculations were just to forecast, its not their gameplan for the next 3 years to use s9. the will do wharever makes the most money at the time and forecasted. of course they will be on top of the latest tech and weight the cost/benefit. 16 TH vs 14TH is not going to make or break it. I use older GPU's that are slower but the cost is more efficient, and even if it wasnt its not a big deal for me, the profit gap is HUUUUGEE. of course i would expect envion to save and calculate the most efficient way to mine, but again, they are not robots or idiots, they will push to be as competetive as possible
I think the 150 million is a big cap to achieve and way to much and risky. But that is a gamble we all have to take. If they are making it work and can build a big amount of units and become the leading mining company in Europe. I think all the token holders should be proud to be part of it.
Your statement is unfounded that 150 million is "way too much and risky", why is 150 million risky and 50 million is not? They are only producing the MMU's when they have contracts in place and can use them, they are not dummies, its not a hard feat, its simply forecasting and knowing your space and using the money to produce more money.. they wont take 100 million and just produce more MMUs simply because they have more $, they will produce the MMU's when they have contracts at the ready, or can run the unit
In the end we will see what happens.
I appreciate your argumentation. It seems you are one of the few who are not thinking in a small frame. The most significant point you have mentioned is that Envion never said they will stick with S9 Antminer for the next 3 years. They will adapt, they will R&D and they will use 25% for reinvesting. So if somewhere in 2018 new Antminer models or whatever technology released they will consider it, calculate and invest, if viable.
December 16, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Still so few weeks and this project made its way among top raised money for this year. This speed of investment in this will keep increasing with the passage of time. There was real potential and it is all its effect which took the raised funds to this level. It will close at great success.
December 16, 2017, 11:04:54 AM
As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite
Yes I totally get that we assume that they use the Antminer 9S model. If in the whitepaper that is where they based on their calculations. However, they also state they use an amount of money for research and development. I guess using a newer version of Antminers is considered to fall under development, right?
The model/calculations were just to forecast, its not their gameplan for the next 3 years to use s9. the will do wharever makes the most money at the time and forecasted. of course they will be on top of the latest tech and weight the cost/benefit. 16 TH vs 14TH is not going to make or break it. I use older GPU's that are slower but the cost is more efficient, and even if it wasnt its not a big deal for me, the profit gap is HUUUUGEE. of course i would expect envion to save and calculate the most efficient way to mine, but again, they are not robots or idiots, they will push to be as competetive as possible
I think the 150 million is a big cap to achieve and way to much and risky. But that is a gamble we all have to take. If they are making it work and can build a big amount of units and become the leading mining company in Europe. I think all the token holders should be proud to be part of it.
Your statement is unfounded that 150 million is "way too much and risky", why is 150 million risky and 50 million is not? They are only producing the MMU's when they have contracts in place and can use them, they are not dummies, its not a hard feat, its simply forecasting and knowing your space and using the money to produce more money.. they wont take 100 million and just produce more MMUs simply because they have more $, they will produce the MMU's when they have contracts at the ready, or can run the unit
In the end we will see what happens.
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