Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 59. (Read 125669 times)
May 19, 2018, 06:23:31 PM
What you can do is help each other. I'm really worried about the token swap thing. I thought it was a rumor a few weeks ago. Now it's real and it's worse than I thought because it looks legit coming from Woestmann.
May 19, 2018, 06:22:46 PM
I would also add that I have been very lazy and have not taken the time to actually track these claims down but I should. Right now all that I know is what has been fed to me on the channel.
May 19, 2018, 06:22:31 PM
Ths whole situation is like watching reality television. I have never in my life seen a company just come out and expose their dirty laundry to the world. It is good for all of us though to have the chance to see some of the things that normally go on behind closed doors. That part is commendable IMHO.
May 19, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
Envion CEO faces charges, diverts attention with trumped up counter story
May 18, 2018. BERLIN — Matthias Woestmann and accomplice Thomas van Aubel illegally took control of the majority of envion AG’s shares shortly after the company raised about USD 100 Million in an Initial Coin Offering (ICO).
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
so that happens with envion May 18, 2018. BERLIN — Matthias Woestmann and accomplice Thomas van Aubel illegally took control of the majority of envion AG’s shares shortly after the company raised about USD 100 Million in an Initial Coin Offering (ICO).
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
that's why the team is delaying everthing but not telling the truth to its commuinty but now we know this
It now appears the beleaguered CEO stalled envion’s founders from taking legal action for several months with a disingenuous mediation process to prepare a disinformation campaign
As a distraction from legal action taken last week against Mr. Woestmann and post-hoc justification for his actions, he has begun a slanderous media campaign alleging some 40 million digital tokens were generated illegally.
May 19, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
Envion CEO faces charges, diverts attention with trumped up counter story
May 18, 2018. BERLIN — Matthias Woestmann and accomplice Thomas van Aubel illegally took control of the majority of envion AG’s shares shortly after the company raised about USD 100 Million in an Initial Coin Offering (ICO).
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
May 18, 2018. BERLIN — Matthias Woestmann and accomplice Thomas van Aubel illegally took control of the majority of envion AG’s shares shortly after the company raised about USD 100 Million in an Initial Coin Offering (ICO).
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
May 19, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
Here is an interesting review of the current Envion state by Mark Rozhanskiy:
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping.
Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens.
They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest ..
But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped
Thanks for the feedback.
Here is Envion Founders Wallet: 0x709BA466946B4E550211a128e64865c2dF250692
that contained 12,673,008 EVN
Please follow all Founders Wallet Token Transfers and show where they "were all moved to exchanges"?
Here is my small research:
2,407,872 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x3e2276395ef7b5be938b4c38944193d7f2a1016b
5,813,106 EVN - are still here https://etherscan.io/address/0x86aae784bed78d9ad096efc52f007b176fc4b7fc
4,452,030 EVN - were distributed in 16 transactions among Founders (as I realize) from the wallet above,
part of which were transferred to exchanges like HitBTC, IDEX and Etherdelta.
As we can see from those two wallets Founders still HODL at least 70% of their tokens.
May 19, 2018, 12:00:05 PM
Is it because it’s hard to get these contracts in or is it because he actually didn’t bother?
May 19, 2018, 06:38:06 AM
Here is an interesting review of the current Envion state by Mark Rozhanskiy:
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
Yes a good read , also the 12.500.000 tokens the founders had in their account where all moved to exchanges .. For me as someone that Paid for investment that's a huge breach of trust they shouldn't have been allowed to move those tokens at all and they ruined the market by dumping.
Those tokens should have been in a trust or something its fine that they would get the benifits but they should not have been allowed to sell them thats a huge insentive for them to work hard to make the tokens valuable gone now they are paid employee's and stock holders in the company instead of beeing in it with their investors that bought the tokens.
They say they wanted to Burn the tokens but they where talking about the 5.000.000 not the rest ..
But the Biggest issue to me is that they just Dumped all the Founders tokens into the market and then even scare the market some more by saying they would need to add additional coins to cover running costs and then say a founder financed it with their own funds .. Own funds my ass i dont buy for one second that that money didnt came from those Tokens they dumped
May 19, 2018, 06:00:38 AM
Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
As far as I know the public got informed about the present situation some days ago, but now we find out that they new about the problems for several months already. I am wondering why did they not inform us earlier, there were no announcements, they have changed their communication model with some monthly low-informative reports. This is definitely not how to handle a $100M ICO. Imagine you are the one who invested several thousands, went through all these KYC processes and now you're sitting with 80% less money.Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
Exactly! Obviously things are weird for a while as the video update and the last 2 blog updates.
But they seemed things are going good, they published some new miner photos but we never got regular update or logical explanations why those are not set up... more and more...
May 19, 2018, 04:45:12 AM
interesting article, I always thought promissing 161% dividends sounds like a scam, here is more about the topic
https://medium.com/@hydrominer/why-there-is-no-161-profit-in-mining-a876ebb91443
https://medium.com/@hydrominer/why-there-is-no-161-profit-in-mining-a876ebb91443
May 19, 2018, 04:31:50 AM
Matthias Woestmann - CEO who has no idea what is going on in the company and/or a crook and manipulator.
Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/
Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning.
Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/
Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning.
Maybe you didn't read the latest update on that issue this is happening of CEO actually he don't know how blockchain works and rest of the team against his decision. CEO has greedy behavior but the team will get succeed to find the way to move forward this project.
May 19, 2018, 04:26:21 AM
Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
As far as I know the public got informed about the present situation some days ago, but now we find out that they new about the problems for several months already. I am wondering why did they not inform us earlier, there were no announcements, they have changed their communication model with some monthly low-informative reports. This is definitely not how to handle a $100M ICO. Imagine you are the one who invested several thousands, went through all these KYC processes and now you're sitting with 80% less money. Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
May 19, 2018, 04:23:36 AM
Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
this project is not good for the crypto world. the people who have invested here will lose the trust. and it's the fault of this team. we don't need anything like this in the world. these people are unsympathetic to me and should disappear for a long time. there is enough scam in crypto. the people lose the trust and the money goes back into the wall street
May 19, 2018, 04:20:29 AM
Matthias Woestmann - CEO who has no idea what is going on in the company and/or a crook and manipulator.
Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/
Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning.
Stay away from such people. Remember these faces: https://www.envion.org/en/team/
Do not invest in fraudsters from the very beginning.
May 19, 2018, 04:19:04 AM
Here is an interesting review of the current Envion state by Mark Rozhanskiy:
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
https://medium.com/@markrozhanskiy/hi-everyone-fb15277c0235
May 18, 2018, 08:24:49 PM
news update on envion-recovery [18 may]
https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/
Token-Swap-Structure:
All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token
Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose
interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens
where are the illigal tokens sold?
https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/
Token-Swap-Structure:
All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token
Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose
interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens
where are the illigal tokens sold?
Look over the domain name that is not from original project so you should wait instead fell into this kind of trap. In latest update the team explained in details they are still working hard to find a reasonable solution for all community.
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
Do a research. https://envion-recovery.org/ This is the website of CEO Mattias Woestmann.
Ye that CEO is making the most sense to me I don't recall reading anything about extra 20 million coins if it was just for the bountys that's fine but for Founders and Company after they already took a big slice that doesn't sound right I wouldn't have invested if that was made clear because that's way to much.
Where the founders even allowed to sell their tokens ? seems strange to me that there wasn't a clause preventing them from doing that.
Especially since the Founders didn't disclose they sold all their tokens on Hitbtc.
May 18, 2018, 03:01:30 PM
Weird thing is they acted like everything is fine for a long while. Some people got ignored when they asked about the units.
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
Now they are just blaming. Like they are innocent, are they?
May 18, 2018, 02:48:03 PM
The funny part are those fanatic living their state of denials:" no they didn't exit scam, they are great, they'll be back again " lol, when they're gonna be back No they don't answer that haha.
People will never accept the facts that this is a dead SCAM project already.
That Laurent dude just wanna hear these kind of typical stupid / naive comments in telegram: " thank you Laurent, we support you & EVN " lol.
They keep accusing the CEO, endless drama, so after all this blaming, what are your legal processes to do that? None so far & not willing to say what are they gonna do about it haha.
No they don't answer that haha.People will never accept the facts that this is a dead SCAM project already.
That Laurent dude just wanna hear these kind of typical stupid / naive comments in telegram: " thank you Laurent, we support you & EVN " lol.
They keep accusing the CEO, endless drama, so after all this blaming, what are your legal processes to do that? None so far & not willing to say what are they gonna do about it haha.
May 18, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
They are playing like children over the reputation of company. Who will want to trust on either side in future even these issues will reach to an end as usual happens in such fights. This new site and legal and illegal tokens are just creating confusion much more and will make things more worse. People are buying from exchanges, all is just mess at this point.
May 18, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
news update on envion-recovery [18 may]
https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/
Token-Swap-Structure:
All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token
Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose
interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens
where are the illigal tokens sold?
https://envion-recovery.org/to-our-respected-envion-investors/
Token-Swap-Structure:
All holders of original ICO tokens will get one new for one old token
Buyers of legal tokens on exchanges will be traced as far as we are able to; our blockchain developer (will introduce him to you later next week) has created his new tool “Etherlytics” for this purpose
interesting Buyers of illegal tokens will have to go via a law firm to make claims against the creators of illegal tokens
where are the illigal tokens sold?
Look over the domain name that is not from original project so you should wait instead fell into this kind of trap. In latest update the team explained in details they are still working hard to find a reasonable solution for all community.
https://medium.com/@TradoGmbH/envion-ceo-faces-charges-diverts-attention-with-trumped-up-counter-story-ef8c18ce83e5
Do a research. https://envion-recovery.org/ This is the website of CEO Mattias Woestmann.
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