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Sozialtourist
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 11:15:35 AM
#2201
Quote from: cantdecide on October 08, 2017, 10:37:09 AM
Quote from: tiger5056 on October 08, 2017, 10:19:01 AM
how bot is going to react to fake news? that is major issues today

I don't think the bots will react to any news at all lol they will act like they got their input but will not react on specific news or something. I think here humans are needed who will change parameters etc.

Well the bot will react to the market and in this way react to the impact of news on the price development of a certain asset, but it won't react directly to a news.
cantdecide
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 10:37:09 AM
#2200
Quote from: tiger5056 on October 08, 2017, 10:19:01 AM
how bot is going to react to fake news? that is major issues today

I don't think the bots will react to any news at all lol they will act like they got their input but will not react on specific news or something. I think here humans are needed who will change parameters etc.
Sozialtourist
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
#2199
Quote from: Elkmar on October 08, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: Heimer on October 08, 2017, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: levyashin on October 08, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: haxllega on October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.

I don't think it is an issue devs would probably think of. There is too many big players on the market and too many movements. You can't just single out a bot and presume its actions.
Seriously, manipulating trading bots is almost impossible. If you want to manipulate whole market then you only need to trigger stop losses...

In theory if you understand the algorithm of the bots you understand how to manipulate them.

And how exactly do you think could it be possible to manipulate a bot that, for example, trades on S&P500?
tiger5056
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 10:19:01 AM
#2198
how bot is going to react to fake news? that is major issues today
Elkmar
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
#2197
Quote from: Heimer on October 08, 2017, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: levyashin on October 08, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: haxllega on October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.

I don't think it is an issue devs would probably think of. There is too many big players on the market and too many movements. You can't just single out a bot and presume its actions.
Seriously, manipulating trading bots is almost impossible. If you want to manipulate whole market then you only need to trigger stop losses...

In theory if you understand the algorithm of the bots you understand how to manipulate them.
the_donald
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 09:23:16 AM
#2196
Quote from: Heimer on October 08, 2017, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: levyashin on October 08, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: haxllega on October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.

I don't think it is an issue devs would probably think of. There is too many big players on the market and too many movements. You can't just single out a bot and presume its actions.
Seriously, manipulating trading bots is almost impossible. If you want to manipulate whole market then you only need to trigger stop losses...

 only bot dev's can make changes to bots that might affect the market. but that would mean that those particular bots are responsible for a lot of the market
Heimer
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 06:35:59 AM
#2195
Quote from: levyashin on October 08, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
Quote from: haxllega on October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.

I don't think it is an issue devs would probably think of. There is too many big players on the market and too many movements. You can't just single out a bot and presume its actions.
Seriously, manipulating trading bots is almost impossible. If you want to manipulate whole market then you only need to trigger stop losses...
levyashin
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 06:28:48 AM
#2194
Quote from: haxllega on October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.

I don't think it is an issue devs would probably think of. There is too many big players on the market and too many movements. You can't just single out a bot and presume its actions.
FIEX
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 06:18:43 AM
#2193
Quote from: viljy on October 08, 2017, 04:18:02 AM
Quote from: Rigorous on October 07, 2017, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: viljy on October 07, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
Looked https://youtu.be/7IybsxpU-lk. And I agree only in part. That is, if you determine in general, then for the bot chosen strategy with low risk. I do not know, maybe in the future NapoleonX will make changes to the algorithm, but for now it all looks like a cautious approach. But the bot should work at maximum and quickly. He should make a profit in any movement of the market. I understand that NapoleonX is a pioneer, so of course, developers need to know how their bot should function. In any case, the success of the project is already predetermined.

There are different approaches to trading. Of course there is active trading which can be sped up all the way to high frequency trading which tries to profit from scalping every tick and frontrunning slower orders.

But in the end buy-and-hold and value investing seems more successful than active trading in the long run, look at Warren Buffett. NaPoleonX bots attempt to improve on that by making only a few trades where they count the most.

Yes, I agree, the buy-and-hold strategy brings success in the long run. Then the benefits of the bot are mainly in the absence of emotions. It is resistant to panic. This is also important. It is possible that now the trade in crypto-currencies does not yet require a high frequency.

I also do the buy-and-hold strategy, but a lot of people wont to make money fast.
Today I buy that and in the next month I wont 10%. Invest in something you really believe in, go on holiday for a year and forget about it, then come back and you will see a nice profit Wink
haxllega
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 06:02:59 AM
#2192
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
I think devs will be aware of this problem and will think of all possible scenarios of manipulation.
cantdecide
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Merit: 112
Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 05:29:13 AM
#2191
Quote from: matjas on October 08, 2017, 05:04:16 AM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 08, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
Quote from: the_donald on October 08, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

the risks can't be "calculated" as of yet. once everything is ready , testing will need to be done ,which will determine factors such as risk

The stats of the bots should quickly be available. After this there rish assessment etc.

You know how they say, if you dont take risks, you wont profit, so risk will be always there you could just probably lower it by changing some parameters but it that case the profit will be lower for sure. No one can guarantee you 100% profit without a chance to loose money, if that would be possible everyone would be rich.

That's the point. The whole cryopto world is a risk at the moment. Your money could be worth the 10x tomorrow, or you lose it all. Bots are just as good as they got programmed, so if you take a bot with higher risks, you will make more money but maybe also lose more, that's for what the DAFs are for, right?
matjas
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 05:04:16 AM
#2190
Quote from: Elkmar on October 08, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
Quote from: the_donald on October 08, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

the risks can't be "calculated" as of yet. once everything is ready , testing will need to be done ,which will determine factors such as risk

The stats of the bots should quickly be available. After this there rish assessment etc.

You know how they say, if you dont take risks, you wont profit, so risk will be always there you could just probably lower it by changing some parameters but it that case the profit will be lower for sure. No one can guarantee you 100% profit without a chance to loose money, if that would be possible everyone would be rich.
viljy
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 04:18:02 AM
#2189
Quote from: Rigorous on October 07, 2017, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: viljy on October 07, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
Looked https://youtu.be/7IybsxpU-lk. And I agree only in part. That is, if you determine in general, then for the bot chosen strategy with low risk. I do not know, maybe in the future NapoleonX will make changes to the algorithm, but for now it all looks like a cautious approach. But the bot should work at maximum and quickly. He should make a profit in any movement of the market. I understand that NapoleonX is a pioneer, so of course, developers need to know how their bot should function. In any case, the success of the project is already predetermined.

There are different approaches to trading. Of course there is active trading which can be sped up all the way to high frequency trading which tries to profit from scalping every tick and frontrunning slower orders.

But in the end buy-and-hold and value investing seems more successful than active trading in the long run, look at Warren Buffett. NaPoleonX bots attempt to improve on that by making only a few trades where they count the most.

Yes, I agree, the buy-and-hold strategy brings success in the long run. Then the benefits of the bot are mainly in the absence of emotions. It is resistant to panic. This is also important. It is possible that now the trade in crypto-currencies does not yet require a high frequency.
Elkmar
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 04:06:59 AM
#2188
Quote from: the_donald on October 08, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

the risks can't be "calculated" as of yet. once everything is ready , testing will need to be done ,which will determine factors such as risk

The stats of the bots should quickly be available. After this there rish assessment etc.
magisterr
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 03:59:31 AM
#2187
Quote from: levyashin on October 08, 2017, 02:28:05 AM
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

I don't understand what you mean by that?

If you are saying what is risks for putting our money to napoleonx bots, the risk of it, you can make losses instead of profits.

Yes, I mean, which risks of lost money? may I insure my money? There are now a lot of insure project.. may be they will make partherships with some?
levyashin
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 02:28:05 AM
#2186
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

I don't understand what you mean by that?

If you are saying what is risks for putting our money to napoleonx bots, the risk of it, you can make losses instead of profits.
the_donald
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 01:59:52 AM
#2185
Quote from: magisterr on October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?

the risks can't be "calculated" as of yet. once everything is ready , testing will need to be done ,which will determine factors such as risk
magisterr
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 01:36:48 AM
#2184
Quote from: imtiazmahmood on October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.

Im also want to know risks... I asked this also, but didnt receive answer...
May be someone can tell me?
imtiazmahmood
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Activity: 476
Merit: 250
Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
#2183
i want to know when bot or trader trade with our investment then how much risk involvement? i know napoleonX will do best for us. i just want to know only.
toolucky98
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Re: [ANN][ICO] [NaPoleonX] 1st 🌟French🌟 algorithmic crypto asset manager 🚀
October 08, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
#2182
Quote from: greatteager on October 07, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: toolucky98 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: matjas on October 07, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Elkmar on October 07, 2017, 01:10:31 PM
Quote from: magisterr on October 07, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
Which risk here by trading bots? can anyone explaine me?

Well the risk is bad coded bot which would bring bad results, or a mass adoption of which would bring bad results, or the incapacity of the bot to react in time to particular important news.

They will really have to focus on bug hunting to eliminate all mistakes in the code before the full release. No one wants to loose money because of a bug in the code. I would still be careful in the beginning and double check every parameter.
The big risk in my mind is if some smart traders know how the bot work and manipulate the pattern.
They will take money from those lazy people who leave their bots working alone.
So changing strategies (DAFs) is needed, and also development which will happen for sure.
I don't think that it's easy to track how a bot works, it takes a lot of time and the bot changes the tactics of trade.
Yes of course, it will not be easy if there will always be changes or developments.
I was just talking about how bull trap came up and also bear trap to trigger stop loses.
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