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legendary
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September 10, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
Votes, Comments, Suggestions needed:

"Karma Services & Property Transition Thread... Who Should Take Over Karma?"


http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php?topic=624.0



i think you should keep control of all these and continue your mission to bring Karma to Asia


if anyone else takes over with purpose to build the backbone of karma to cater to crypto world and mainly here in BTT will result in karma loosing momentum and becoming a coin that few people tip in facebook or reddit until it fades away. Not to mention it will always be overshadowed by dogecoin and bitcoin.   


i dont like what kosmot did at all, but i think he is still the best contender to get Karma somewhere.

hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
I also agree that we should focus on having the at least the bare minimum in terms of infrastructure (i.e. API for easily building services around Karma).

Realistically-speaking, this won't take 100 people thinking and doing anything about it.

But 100 people can think about how we can truly add value, and Karma can be more effective because of it.

The API can be done by 1-2 people. The only question is who will do it. Therefore using this forum to focus on the API may not be a good use of time.
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 01:02:54 PM
Please note that the thread I created to discuss alternatives to the way I handled the Karmashares closure:http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php/topic,618.0.html will be closed within a day.

Since we heard "I don't like the way it was handled" or "it could have been handled better" by quite a few and no one presented their "better" way to do it there is nothing more to discuss.

When it's closed I will no longer be discussing Karmashares and the Karma community can continue focusing on making the future better
hero member
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sr. member
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September 10, 2014, 12:58:31 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

That is true.

Do you have ideas/plans that you want to share with us about how to recruit people that need the coin?


If our market is unbanked persons in the Philippines, or whatever, then we involve them in our conversations.

We seem to be building a coin for other crypto enthusiasts when we should be focusing on who needs something like Karma the most.

We find those people and simply talk with them. It's a kind of market research, yes, but at the same time it's building a user community. Right now we don't really have actual users. Our community is more of the dev community.

In the same way that Microsoft didn't build and market Windows for devs, we should not be building and marketing Karma for devs, miners, and 'hobbyists'. We can build out have resources to support and facilitate those people, but that should not be Karma's focus, I think.

We seem to be building out developers.windows.com before www.windows.com (i.e., before we have a product/service that people need/use)

We need the infrastructure ready first so it's normal to be a "dev community"(don't agree 100% with this because a greater part aren't devs).
I've already said that we need our "karma evangelist" on the ground so they can introduce Karma to people. And those evangelist must be trusted persons within a community so Karma adoption will grow faster and will be less skeptics....  

I also agree that we should focus on having the at least the bare minimum in terms of infrastructure (i.e. API for easily building services around Karma).
full member
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September 10, 2014, 12:57:08 PM
That is an error, check with your own client or another pool, it should be ~800mh/s
sr. member
Activity: 348
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:56:07 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

That is true.

Do you have ideas/plans that you want to share with us about how to recruit people that need the coin?


If our market is unbanked persons in the Philippines, or whatever, then we involve them in our conversations.

We seem to be building a coin for other crypto enthusiasts when we should be focusing on who needs something like Karma the most.

We find those people and simply talk with them. It's a kind of market research, yes, but at the same time it's building a user community. Right now we don't really have actual users. Our community is more of the dev community.

In the same way that Microsoft didn't build and market Windows for devs, we should not be building and marketing Karma for devs, miners, and 'hobbyists'. We can build out have resources to support and facilitate those people, but that should not be Karma's focus, I think.

We seem to be building out developers.windows.com before www.windows.com (i.e., before we have a product/service that people need/use)

We need the infrastructure ready first so it's normal to be a "dev community"(don't agree 100% with this because a greater part aren't devs).
I've already said that we need our "karma evangelist" on the ground so they can introduce Karma to people. And those evangelist must be trusted persons within a community so Karma adoption will grow faster and will be less skeptics....  
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:55:25 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

That is true.

Do you have ideas/plans that you want to share with us about how to recruit people that need the coin?


If our market is unbanked persons in the Philippines, or whatever, then we involve them in our conversations.

We seem to be building a coin for other crypto enthusiasts when we should be focusing on who needs something like Karma the most.

We find those people and simply talk with them. It's a kind of market research, yes, but at the same time it's building a user community. Right now we don't really have actual users. Our community is more of the dev community.

In the same way that Microsoft didn't build and market Windows for devs, we should not be building and marketing Karma for devs, miners, and 'hobbyists'. We can build out have resources to support and facilitate those people, but that should not be Karma's focus, I think.

We seem to be building out developers.windows.com before www.windows.com (i.e., before we have a product/service that people need/use)

I like what you say.
Do you have ideas about how to talk with those people?
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 501
Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 12:51:31 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

That is true.

Do you have ideas/plans that you want to share with us about how to recruit people that need the coin?


If our market is unbanked persons in the Philippines, or whatever, then we involve them in our conversations.

We seem to be building a coin for other crypto enthusiasts when we should be focusing on who needs something like Karma the most.

We find those people and simply talk with them. It's a kind of market research, yes, but at the same time it's building a user community. Right now we don't really have actual users. Our community is more of the dev community.

In the same way that Microsoft didn't build and market Windows for devs, we should not be building and marketing Karma for devs, miners, and 'hobbyists'. We can have resources to support and facilitate those people, but that should not be Karma's focus, I think.

We seem to be building out developers.windows.com before www.windows.com (i.e., before we have a product/service that people need/use)
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 501
Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
I would argue that everyone who is currently relatively ignorant of crypto needs it - or at least needs to be introduced to it.

Also, just my opinion, but I think we should concentrate for a little while on what Karma needs.

Thanks for your response bondi. The idea is for the new members to then bring in a lot more members through their own giveaways. It will be hard work but given the right incentive I believe I can put together a solid, if unorthadox team.

The #1 thing that Karma needs is people who need Karma.
hero member
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hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 501
Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 12:41:26 PM
Votes, Comments, Suggestions needed:

"Karma Services & Property Transition Thread... Who Should Take Over Karma?"


http://karmashares.com/forums/index.php?topic=624.0
sr. member
Activity: 425
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
What's going Huh
Network hashrate in http://www.xhash.net/index.php?coin=karmacoin&page=statistics&action=pool is 5 GH/s!  Shocked
newbie
Activity: 57
Merit: 0
September 10, 2014, 12:18:40 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

I would argue that everyone who is currently relatively ignorant of crypto needs it - or at least needs to be introduced to it.

Also, just my opinion, but I think we should concentrate for a little while on what Karma needs.

Thanks for your response bondi. The idea is for the new members to then bring in a lot more members through their own giveaways. It will be hard work but given the right incentive I believe I can put together a solid, if unorthadox team.
sr. member
Activity: 532
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:17:49 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

That is true.

Do you have ideas/plans that you want to share with us about how to recruit people that need the coin?
sr. member
Activity: 348
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:16:06 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.

We need people in crypto community to be able to introduce Karma to those who need it.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 501
Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 12:07:54 PM
I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...

Recruiting 2 people who need Karma is worth more than 100 people in the crypto community, perhaps.

I doubt if Karma will grow much without the people who need it.
sr. member
Activity: 348
Merit: 250
September 10, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
I've already said I can bring 60 new people into this community. This would give the coin an enormous boost. I ask for the community to support this by donating 1M Karma to each of the new people.

I would support a twitter tipping campaign out of my own kick. This would bring in dozens more people.

Is there a working twitter tip bot?

I appreciate that being new on here people may be sceptical but this can happen straight away and I'm not asking you to send me the coins.

Is the Karma community interested in this? If not I won't ask again and I'll find another coin

I can donate 1mill to this but I think it should be donated about 100.000 max to new people.
I know what you're saying about donating 1 mill to each new member but I think 100.000 may be enough and we can attract a lot more people.
Just a thought...
hero member
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Merit: 501
Creator of the ICO
September 10, 2014, 11:55:18 AM

Not really talking in circles at all -- I'm trying to slice through the spin and the arm waving...

All law is based on opinions and precedent.

I asked my law firm for an opinion -- they gave one and cited precedent -- the facts are against you at the moment -- that your "member managed llc" -- is so thin and it's obvious from the level of skill demonstrated here in the forum that your "members" are not sophisticated investors.  I'm certain that your market cap is too small for the SEC to get involved at the moment until enough of your fanbase turns on you and starts filing complaints with the feds.

I'm actually on your side -- I think if it what you were doing was actually sanctioned by the SEC that you'd have a great model for crowd-funding-equity -- but all I see is wishful thinking...

"HOPE IS NOT A STRATEGY"

Do you have links to actual legal wording on the subject, as I have already provided to you?

I don't really care to dance Smiley

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV ;-)

But what I do have 25+ years of building and running businesses in addition to an MBA Tongue

What I provided was the legal opinion of one that cited case law examples.

What YOU need is to pay your own lawyer to provide you with an opinion -- or better yet, get an exemption letter from the SEC and FINCEN.  That way if you get sued you have some basis for your assertion.

In addition to the whole unregistered security issue, the LLC doesn't really appear to be member-managed at all -- but rather manager-managed.

If a member wanted to come and inspect the books as well as the meeting minutes, where would one go?  By law you have to have paper copies available for inspection by the members during reasonable business hours and make available for nominal fee the ability to make copies of same or permit them to make copies by their own method.

The LLC doesn't pay (or provide benefits to) anyone to manage the LLC, so is therefore not manager-managed. If kosmost manages the LLC then it is still member-managed. From early on I have noted my intention not to take any special benefits for myself or anyone else to help with Karmashares, and none has been received.

The actual coding of the law is important, not just "opinions" and such. Law is based on code, not opinions. Law is codified so people like you and I (or lawyers and judges) can reference or interpret them. You only need the internet and a pair of eyes to read it.

Furthermore, the state in which the LLC operates is also important, as there are additional laws that can apply in matters where Federal law does not.

Regardless, I'd rather discuss the future of Karma and work on a proper transition and discuss such matters with legal counsel unless we can here uncover something more substantive.
full member
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September 10, 2014, 11:50:30 AM
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Many more people would have sold because of this (even those that wanted to keep the coins.)
i wanted to hold but i had no choice lol
still lost 900% ?!
dont know
fuck u devs

You only lost because you sold.

If you kept your coins you would.... still have the same number of coins.

Those who count their chickens before they hatch really need a more steady hand.

If you have not sold, you have not lost/gained anything until you sell and convert.

It's funny that you haven't cursed the Litecoin devs. You would have more $ then if LTC didn't decrease so much, right? (it's funny that no one talks about this)

This is 100% proof you are the biggest asshole I know
I'll quote this for emphasis.

I also had a post deleted by an admin, it was a picture of Patrick Bateman from American Psycho laughing and giving zero fucks because he lacks empathy... Make up your own mind about why I posted it, some moderator deemed it off-topic for this thread.

Anyway.... that is all.
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