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sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 05:28:59 PM
"Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc:

many have asked for evidence for the sell... kosmost just turns the table. if he cant answer us why should we answer to him?

Innocent until proven guilty. He said he did not sell coins before the LLC announcement and he has constantly said he still owns his coins. There is no evidence to the contrary. If you asked me if I sold the coins and then I said no and told you I still own all my coins I am logically just as likely as Kosmost to be lying.

There were 3 hypes based on lill.com sale offer. One pumped KARM to 380 Litoshi, second to 240 from 170, third to 150 from 110,  All pumps were based on fake news. No proof, nothing. I asked Kosmost many times to prove he got thay offer. He rejected to do it. He is suspicious of scaming people with fake news, manipulating market price on fake news and dumping on them on pumps especially on 31th of August. There was insider dumping, someone knew that deal was not gonna happen 1 day before. He dumped to 11 litooshi, such dump at that low price can happen only if dumper is 100% it is game ower. The dumper knew all facts. There was only one person who knew that fact, and that person is Kosmost. Sorry but Kosmost has never shown anything. There was 17billion KARM volume bought during 2 weeks before KarmaShares  were announced at 8-15 litoshi price. That one who bought at that price was selling that cheap KARM at 20-60 litoshi during next weeks. And the very same guy was dumping on us all the time especially on 31th of August.  Very simple calculation show that there were 50-100 BTC earned on that cool organized scam. Kosmost does not need to steal 8,5 bilion KARM from karmashares, they would be worth nothing after that steal. He just need to quit this scam without real life consequencies.
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September 09, 2014, 04:25:01 PM
Innocent until proven guilty.

that can work both ways correct?

i caught on to this couple months ago. it was clear to me something shady was going on,with many here going blindly almost cult like.Now the blinders came off and folks are pissed.tons and tons of hype and ZERO proof,karma could of had more value but the ZERO proof had to be factored in to the value.then add the i do no wrong attatude or better yet his actions are because of others actions,just doesnt cut it anymore
legendary
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September 09, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
I have watched this coin / thread since its inception.

I'm struck by how much PASSION there is here.

As an outside observer (I hold no KARMA) -- it boggles the mind a bit that if some of you put 1/2 the energy you do into expanding your community -- by socializing the coin to potential users -vs- the back-biting you'd be so much further ahead.

You should be encouraging and helping your friends and family spin up wallets and send them coins to get them involved.

Find causes that matter to you and get them on board!

The largely ineffective attempts to PUMP this coin to each other amounts to little more than mental masturbation.

The fact that some of you think that by mining more of it that the price will rise just shows how inexperienced & naive you are.

Fundamentally you need to find buyers for your coins boys and girls.  You need a market.

Whatever "profit" you think you're going to derive from this must come from your own good efforts.

If the "business" you thought you were buying into could not articulate its sales and marketing plan or provide you with a set of audited financials -- then you've been duped.

At least with non-profits you always get to inspect the books....
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September 09, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
"Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc:

many have asked for evidence for the sell... kosmost just turns the table. if he cant answer us why should we answer to him?

Innocent until proven guilty. He said he did not sell coins before the LLC announcement and he has constantly said he still owns his coins. There is no evidence to the contrary. If you asked me if I sold the coins and then I said no and told you I still own all my coins I am logically just as likely as Kosmost to be lying.
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September 09, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
"Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc:

many have asked for evidence for the sell... kosmost just turns the table. if he cant answer us why should we answer to him?
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 03:59:44 PM
I have read every one of these posts since LLC didn’t sell. Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc. People seem to want to make lots of money without doing anything. How ridiculous these scam threats are. There is no intelligent reason someone would work for hundreds of hours building something then throw it all away for a few thousand dollars. This behavior from a large majority of the “community” shows how dreams of wealth fog rationality. I would like to publicly say thank you to Kosmost for all the work he has done. I bet if everyone here who has been criticizing him on a forum met him in person would act differently. Anonymity can bring out the worst in some.
Sorry that is my rant over.

Have a good day Karma people.

PS, it would be great if Kosmost stayed on in some capacity. I remember this coin at 10 latoshi with no future. Who built it up from there? (rhetorical question)


+1
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September 09, 2014, 03:47:07 PM
I have read every one of these posts since LLC didn’t sell. Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc. People seem to want to make lots of money without doing anything. How ridiculous these scam threats are. There is no intelligent reason someone would work for hundreds of hours building something then throw it all away for a few thousand dollars. This behavior from a large majority of the “community” shows how dreams of wealth fog rationality. I would like to publicly say thank you to Kosmost for all the work he has done. I bet if everyone here who has been criticizing him on a forum met him in person would act differently. Anonymity can bring out the worst in some.
Sorry that is my rant over.

Have a good day Karma people.

PS, it would be great if Kosmost stayed on in some capacity. I remember this coin at 10 latoshi with no future. Who built it up from there? (rhetorical question)
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Hi all. Kosmost agreed to make the transition. For I don`t know how long I will have the technical ownership of the Karma. I will do my best to do it silently and smooth. What I am asking of you is to start looking for someone who is capable to deliver this coin to its next level. In my new temporary role I will not develop anything. My personal opinion of any coin is this:
1. Create a coin - some value. If it is a new algo - bigger value. If it is a new less power consuming algo - the better. (Karma have good X11 algo which is no innovation, but less power consuming)
2. Create awareness - not very difficult, but time consuming and valuable. (I think Karma is totally failing here. If we all make posts in twitter, Facebook, G+ and forums every day, the value will definitely raise. And this is value, not only the price. If more people are aware of Karma, the bigger will be the chance for somebody talented to come and do something valuable. So think about this like talent hunting program. Community work in Karma ecosystem is a clear failure)
3. Make technical innovation - very valuable and the effect on the price comes quickly, but not steady. (I don`t recall such think in Karma ecosystem. Maybe someday the sidechain will fulfill this gap, but I see this to far ahead)
4. Do real integration with other services, sites, merchants, etc. - very difficult, time consuming and not exactly returning steady value and effect on awareness and price. (I am not sure if Karma has such integration)
5. Build real projects - very difficult and time consuming (Several coins has this and the value is big. Karma still have one big project with good potential and someday maybe it will bring value)
6. Make coin to be taken as equal and even better than fiat. (No one did it. Karma is struggling to achieve this and maybe it will happen in several years).

The most important for me is the support that is coming from the community, but I see it slightly different than current team. I do not think that community should be constantly asked to do something that needs two much time, effort and skills. We saw that it is not working. It is also not working if everyone is sitting on his ... and counting on only one guy or few members to do it all. I see the community like many members who just do 2 - we all make posts in twitter, Facebook, G+ and forums every day, the value will definitely raise. And this is value, not only the price. If more people are aware of Karma, the bigger will be the chance for somebody talented to come and do something valuable. So think about this like talent hunting program. For the people who are with Karma like me from day 1 it is obvious that the best time for Karma was not the lill deal, but the times when people like BitTanker, cryptowho, Chargin, me, Easteagle, javijavier, warfwarf, Delaforetnoire and many others were out there to make their little part. From now on, or at least while I am in charge there will be no more promises, no more asking for help. If you want to do something, you are free to do it. Everyone is invited. Do not think of this as a new start, cause it isn`t. We are continuing from where we was yesterday, before you all go crazy for things that doesn`t really had any value. And with no reason. Closing the LLC? So what? This LLC doesn`t go well with SEC regulations. My proposal to the people after me is to reinstate PoC model and substitute with it the purpose of the LLC - you can check my proposal how to do it - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8650222.
This must be said. Although I have no interest in Karma at this moment, I am really mad with all those people who were accusing kosmost or any other team member without doing anything for Karma. They don`t deserve it. Period. Please remember - I am not kosmost or Easteagle or cryptowho and I am not polite like them. From now on all accusations for Karma well being should be pointed at me, only me and no one else. If this wave of false accusations continue I will change the thread and this will continue as many times as needed until only reasonable people start to come here. Trolling will not be tolerated. If you don`t like something, you are free to change the coin.
For those who believed in Karma and still believe in it I will tell that nothing have really changed from yesterday. Just your mood. Karma is still healthy and trading. Again, nothing have changed since yesterday. Actually I am quite sure that many of you will come back and help in some way. Including Kos, East and cryptowho. And no project will be buried. It will just take more time. If you have any questions, please ask, but do it polite. No one here has any obligations to anyone. Everything in crypto is happening by the free will of people working together. It is up to us all to make it happen.

kosmost, please confirm this transition. Thank you for everything and good luck. I am sad and deeply regret that you are insulted by people that doesn`t do anything. Please reconsider and stay with Karma. And the most of all I regret I couldn`t buy you that vacation we have spoken of. I would definitely bring you to my country, the most beautiful place on Earth - Karmaland.
newbie
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September 09, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
All i know is that www.facebook.com/groups/karmacoin is still alive and tipping. Hopefully i can take over the site and update it soon. @kosmost, what was the price of the karmacoin trademark and what would it take to transfer it.
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 03:01:16 PM
Some people think to buy more cheap Karma...
newbie
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September 09, 2014, 02:58:59 PM
Wow what happened, I saw KARM crashed and my coins were refunded? I haven't been following this closely, did the shareholders vote to dissolve the llc?
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 02:54:49 PM
@Kosmost, can I ask you to delete it from your signature "Karma Project Lead" !!!
After all you've done for this community is a crime to have this banner!

Good idea. But first, can you please tell me 3 things that I have done?

You do not need three things, only one!
You abandon the community that you believe! This is more than three! Never, I would never do that, even if the situation is hopeless! Conclusions do alone!
.... I will never forget your words! ..... We are not followers .. we are the leaders! ....... All evaporate!
Sorry, it is everything to be selfless on your part, but do not prove it!

If you cannot list 3 things, then please do not make statements like "After all you've done ....". It implies I have done more than 1 thing.

1) I have not abandoned the community. I am still here, making sure that our websites and services are not disrupted. I am replying to posts as best as I can. Really, would anyone else be as patient as I have here now, holding my tongue after reading practically every post calling "scam", "liar", etc ,etc.. even from my own team (you know.. the one that mostly stood by while I did most of the work.) Please tell me what I have done to abandon the community?

Someone sold coins, people started to yell "scam", I asked what will anyone do specifically to help our new direction, no one responded, I closed Karmashares with the intention of not leaving the community.

However, the barrage of recent posts makes me feel quite unwelcomed. So I have reconsidered my decision to remain a part of Karma. There is next to no one speaking up in support of either 1) rationality or; 2) me. Karma seems quite happy following the herd of irrational and unfounded statements.

Shutting down Karmashares was a personal choice do to the risk involved and the lack of support here. It's amazing that no one can understand this.

2)

3)
Kos, there is no drama with closing the llc. All the reasonable people here will and are understanding this. We can always work out alternative without any legal consequences to you. Call it PoC or whatever you want. Please don't end up like Karmacoingood. No offense from any troll can match such failure. Take a sleep and come back fresh. The people that matters are mad at you not because you have closed some llc or some site. They are sad because you want to leave. Sad. You surely know what is to be sad. Don't you all talk about investors, cause they are believers. And they are really sad now. Solution can always be found. Maybe not as fast as we want, but it is always possible.
Good Karma to all of you and please stop to be rude to each other. We won't make progress like this. It is really close to mind.

I would have been happy to stay, but not with all but 2 people attacking and insulting me. (And thank you for being one of those people who has spoken up for me)

I am (was) literally on my way to both Vietnam and the Philippines in order to build a base there for Karma.

No longer. It's not worth it.

Kostmos, you are like Jesus, you sacrified yourself for Karma, lol. Please stop, your fairy tales are ridiculous. I do not belive you any single word. You act all the time like someone not interested in price and focusing on value, and you were dumping on us and than destroyed the dreams about value in the most pathetic way. Either take your pills or visit psychiatrist. For me you are scammer or sick person, probably both.
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Ok everybody,

I will make a long break from Karma communications. It was nice but does not feel comfortable anymore. Who or east, please leave a Karma address here such that I can transfer the donations for the saving innocence fundraiser. Feel free to contact me if you need advice on how to code the javascript on Karmafund.me. I will probably work silent in the background and slowly create a Karma app. Please try to get along with each other. I need a clear mind to finish my phd during the next months. It was an honor.

your KarmaKaguy
sr. member
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September 09, 2014, 02:18:15 PM
So kosmost how can a smooth transition of assets be achieved? What's on your mind?

Can you identify the assets you're referring to?

So there's no assets then?

Should there be other than what is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/KarmaTeam/comments/2fvv2f/new_karma_team_needed/ ?

if I have forgotten something please let me know

OK.
Can you tell us the transition status of those assets?

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-All of my Karmashares projects will be shelved. Further, the Karmashares
-Karmashare.me - I sent notice that it will be shut down August 12 if no one is able to help. It's nearly one month later and the site is still up, but with the same issues. This will be shut down.
-The block explorer at explorer.karmacoin.me is on a separate VPS at digitalocean. For $10 a month you can take over this service
-The Karma seednode server and Karma checkpointing server (JaviJavier is running one of these and may continue to run it or perhaps can run both)
-The domain karmacoin.me and related content
-Karma and Karmacoin trademarks, to be supplied at cost of filing.
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 09, 2014, 02:09:16 PM
With this said... I'm no longer posting on the thread anymore. I feel as if I've already made my opinion clear and won't get anything done by constantly getting involved with destructive conversation here (nor posting my own negative opinions). While I think voicing the opinions is a necessity, continuing on only works to degrade things further and I will no longer be a culprit in that.

As I said, even throughout this I'm still a holder. And I will continue to be until it drops to 1 Litoshi or someone kicks off a grand plan that makes exiting actually valuable enough to let it go.

Good luck, community!

Thanks.. and take care. But you have not responded to this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8749278
regarding your statements.

Shall I just add your name to the list of unfounded/untrue statements that cannot be backed up by any rational argument or evidence?

This list is getting quite long now. Practically no one responds to my request for clarification. They just make unfounded or ridiculous statements without having anything to back it up.

I have defended myself enough for today. I'm sure it's clearer to any reasonable person that most of us here got our panties in a tiffy for no good reason.

Let's move on. I will leave if you want me to, but I will surely help a smooth transition.
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 09, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
I hope you stay koskost! I understand that you feel underaprisiated, most people in here just want there karma to gaine in value, witout Contributing themselvs.  

I my self,  wish i could do more.
But with school, and work, no computer skills, and English not beeing my first laungwish.
I felt that all i could Do, was to keep mining, and buying karma, and spreding the Good word of karma localy.

I just want you to know  that you have more suporters than you think,  and i appreciate everything you have done,  and really hope you stay  in the comunety!  Smiley

Thank you Smiley
legendary
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September 09, 2014, 02:05:16 PM
I see what you mean about the President thing. I mean George W Bush only had an approval rating of 25% in October 2008 and he resigned from office because he didn't like it. I'm sorry I missed that.

I won't step up and take over the LLC because I simply don't have the time.

Funny.. when W. Bush was in office I didn't like him at all. He was a joke.

Then after the new President was elected I actually missed him.

I hope the next leader or team will be much better than we have had in the past and I am not missed.

Perhaps I will take up painting myself in the shower lol

With this said... I'm no longer posting on the thread anymore. I feel as if I've already made my opinion clear and won't get anything done by constantly getting involved with destructive conversation here (nor posting my own negative opinions). While I think voicing the opinions is a necessity, continuing on only works to degrade things further and I will no longer be a culprit in that.

As I said, even throughout this I'm still a holder. And I will continue to be until it drops to 1 Litoshi or someone kicks off a grand plan that makes exiting actually valuable enough to let it go.

Good luck, community!
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 09, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
So kosmost how can a smooth transition of assets be achieved? What's on your mind?

Can you identify the assets you're referring to?

So there's no assets then?

Should there be other than what is here: http://www.reddit.com/r/KarmaTeam/comments/2fvv2f/new_karma_team_needed/ ?

if I have forgotten something please let me know
jr. member
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September 09, 2014, 02:01:29 PM
I hope you stay koskost! I understand that you feel underaprisiated, most people in here just want there karma to gaine in value, witout Contributing themselvs.  

I my self,  wish i could do more.
But with school, and work, no computer skills, and English not beeing my first laungwish.
I felt that all i could Do, was to keep mining, and buying karma, and spreding the Good word of karma localy.

I just want you to know  that you have more suporters than you think,  and i appreciate everything you have done,  and really hope you stay  in the comunety!  Smiley
hero member
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Creator of the ICO
September 09, 2014, 02:00:30 PM
You lost me...

Have I made money? Of course I have. Have I lost money on here? Sure. That's inconsequential to me. It's part of being an investor in businesses. My argument has nothing to do with winning or losing an investment (all of that is what we call "risk" and is something I evaluate prior to getting involved). In fact, I'm still holding on to my coins. If they take to 1 Litoshi, sobeit. Again, this was the risk I endured when I got involved long ago. Seriously, don't even bring up how much people have invested -- investments are a risk for a reason. Anyone that invests in something should do so under the pretense that they are going to lose 100% of the money; otherwise you're going to hurt yourself in the long run. This has nothing to do with money lost; it's due to the excuses for dropping a business. I'd be just as pissed off if I invested in Microsoft and then Bill Gates turned around and said "I talked to a couple businesses and they laughed at my idea so I'm closing shop. Sorry about your lost money but I can't handle people not being nice to me so I need to move on." Going into business and losing it is COMPLETELY different from going into business and flat out giving up for ridiculous reasons.

His idea was GREAT. The problem is he won't follow through with it. He's not only screwing over his holders/investors but himself as well. It's a bit depressing to see someone go into such a self-destructive phase like that. Yet, for whatever reason, it's all too common. And it's something that is more than possible to be overcome; he simply doesn't have the desire to do so.

It's interesting that you see legal risk as a "ridiculous reason"

Self-destructive? Can you explain this?
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