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April 23, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
not sure you understand the numbers or the logic behind decentralized network


those 465 million coins could have been on hands of 100 buyers.

out of those 100 buyers. 10 people could be interested in helping push the coin forwards.

out of those 10 poeople one of them could have been the next kosmost.


what good is it to own 1.6B coin now?

If I had money, I may have bought 1.5B too.
Why ?
1) Because I know Karma will go far
2) With more in my wallet, I can give more to dev. bounties and tip maximum people
3) I would invest half in KarmasharesLLC and keep about 700M and hold it till 100 to 300 satoshi, then slowly selling some of them (few % each time) for good living purpose

yes, using the coins to push does help.

but nothing helps more then having those coins be in many more different wallets. look at dogecoin.

more wallets, more people involved.

i could have bought billions at 10 latoshis. we knew how much or what kind of plans we are offering. we knew with POC the price would increase. but if we ran and bought cheap coins. we would prevent other from buying cheap.

the more prices rise the more poeple get discouraged to buy coins.

i hope you guys understand. i never owned more then 400 mills. and i used my coins to buy services and push stuff. at the same time. i keep giving coins to as many new people as i can.

more people get to buy cheap more people will get involved. more pople involved the more tast we archive.

we can possible have whales sit there with 1 billion coins waiting to dump. :/



what ever. free market i guess. but you buy more then you should and you hurt us all
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April 23, 2014, 04:45:36 PM
Please note. The Shares & Points list has been updated: http://karmashares.com/explorer-v01
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April 23, 2014, 04:34:37 PM
not sure you understand the numbers or the logic behind decentralized network


those 465 million coins could have been on hands of 100 buyers.

out of those 100 buyers. 10 people could be interested in helping push the coin forwards.

out of those 10 poeople one of them could have been the next kosmost.


what good is it to own 1.6B coin now?

If I had money, I may have bought 1.5B too.
Why ?
1) Because I know Karma will go far
2) With more in my wallet, I can give more to dev. bounties and tip maximum people
3) I would invest half in KarmasharesLLC and keep about 700M and hold it till 100 to 300 satoshi, then slowly selling some of them (few % each time) for good living purpose
sr. member
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April 23, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
not sure you understand the numbers or the logic behind decentralized network


those 465 million coins could have been on hands of 100 buyers.

out of those 100 buyers. 10 people could be interested in helping push the coin forwards.

out of those 10 poeople one of them could have been the next kosmost.


what good is it to own 1.6B coin now?

More than 465 million coins are still available and can be on hands of 100 buyers, simply not for the price I paid for them.
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April 23, 2014, 04:16:21 PM
not sure you understand the numbers or the logic behind decentralized network


those 465 million coins could have been on hands of 100 buyers.

out of those 100 buyers. 10 people could be interested in helping push the coin forwards.

out of those 10 poeople one of them could have been the next kosmost.


what good is it to own 1.6B coin now?
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April 23, 2014, 04:03:06 PM
Additional cheap mintpal-coins for me:

TIME    TYPE    PRICE    KARM    TOTAL    FEE    NET TOTAL
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000053   259872393.94339624   137.73236879   0.20659858   137.93896737
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   11167729.76591400   5.80721947   0.00871082   5.81593029
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   6260669.17423860   3.25554797   0.00488332   3.26043129
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000051   35213130.89767024   17.95869675   0.02693802   17.98563477
2014-04-23 20:40:58   BUY   0.00000048   2479786.71144980   1.19029762   0.00178544   1.19208306
2014-04-23 20:35:54   BUY   0.00000048   833507.39888480   0.40008355   0.00060012   0.40068367
2014-04-23 20:24:42   BUY   0.00000048   40752513.81940600   19.56120663   0.02934180   19.59054843
2014-04-23 19:21:15   BUY   0.00000047   46158383.39695468   21.69444019   0.03254166   21.72698185
2014-04-23 19:21:01   BUY   0.00000048   44722897.00459010   21.46699056   0.03220049   21.49919105
2014-04-23 18:48:27   BUY   0.00000048   3096869.13657820   1.48649718   0.00222974   1.48872692
2014-04-23 18:35:01   BUY   0.00000048   2180233.85883170   1.04651225   0.00156976   1.04808201
2014-04-23 18:30:36   BUY   0.00000050   12591362.82576140   6.29568141   0.00944352   6.30512493
2014-04-23 16:15:34   BUY   0.00000050   20000000.85278400   10.00000042   0.01500000   10.01500042

Enough for today :-)


just so you know. and you must know this. the more coins you hold , the slower the distribuition will be. If those coins do no decentrelize into thausands of wallets then the value will for ever be 1 satoshi :/


at the same time. kinda explains why you would create FUD here. so you could buy them cheaper.


i'm pretty sure now you will be all like " oh i love this coins "

I hold only about 3% of all mined coins, there are enough sellers left.
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April 23, 2014, 03:59:23 PM
Additional cheap mintpal-coins for me:

TIME    TYPE    PRICE    KARM    TOTAL    FEE    NET TOTAL
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000053   259872393.94339624   137.73236879   0.20659858   137.93896737
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   11167729.76591400   5.80721947   0.00871082   5.81593029
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   6260669.17423860   3.25554797   0.00488332   3.26043129
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000051   35213130.89767024   17.95869675   0.02693802   17.98563477
2014-04-23 20:40:58   BUY   0.00000048   2479786.71144980   1.19029762   0.00178544   1.19208306
2014-04-23 20:35:54   BUY   0.00000048   833507.39888480   0.40008355   0.00060012   0.40068367
2014-04-23 20:24:42   BUY   0.00000048   40752513.81940600   19.56120663   0.02934180   19.59054843
2014-04-23 19:21:15   BUY   0.00000047   46158383.39695468   21.69444019   0.03254166   21.72698185
2014-04-23 19:21:01   BUY   0.00000048   44722897.00459010   21.46699056   0.03220049   21.49919105
2014-04-23 18:48:27   BUY   0.00000048   3096869.13657820   1.48649718   0.00222974   1.48872692
2014-04-23 18:35:01   BUY   0.00000048   2180233.85883170   1.04651225   0.00156976   1.04808201
2014-04-23 18:30:36   BUY   0.00000050   12591362.82576140   6.29568141   0.00944352   6.30512493
2014-04-23 16:15:34   BUY   0.00000050   20000000.85278400   10.00000042   0.01500000   10.01500042

Enough for today :-)


just so you know. and you must know this. the more coins you hold , the slower the distribuition will be. If those coins do no decentrelize into thausands of wallets then the value will for ever be 1 satoshi :/


at the same time. kinda explains why you would create FUD here. so you could buy them cheaper.


i'm pretty sure now you will be all like " oh i love this coins "
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April 23, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
i dont doubt it people own a billion coins

exchanges barely have 10 billion coin there. i am sure some one hold that many


but do not worry. free market corrects itself. soon greed will cause panic dumps. look at that. we rised just above 1 satoshi and people dumped. now there is no more dumping. it should rise to 2 satoshis floor level and we will see a new dumping. eventually it will be less and sell.


simple math. sellers sell with huge portion. while buyers buy in small portion. i.e. a seller sell 12 million coins (one wallet) most likely those 10 million coins will be bought by 3 buyers (3 wallets). Each of them will have a round estimate of 4 millions. by this low. they become the new sellers and the buyers will by from them with smaller amounts.


this is how Every thing evens out through out the time. This is why people say a coin need a lot of buyers. because buyers need to be a minimum 3 times more.

Eventually greed will shake the coins out of their hands.
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April 23, 2014, 03:56:11 PM
Additional cheap mintpal-coins for me:

TIME    TYPE    PRICE    KARM    TOTAL    FEE    NET TOTAL
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000053   259872393.94339624   137.73236879   0.20659858   137.93896737
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   11167729.76591400   5.80721947   0.00871082   5.81593029
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000052   6260669.17423860   3.25554797   0.00488332   3.26043129
2014-04-23 20:52:44   BUY   0.00000051   35213130.89767024   17.95869675   0.02693802   17.98563477
2014-04-23 20:40:58   BUY   0.00000048   2479786.71144980   1.19029762   0.00178544   1.19208306
2014-04-23 20:35:54   BUY   0.00000048   833507.39888480   0.40008355   0.00060012   0.40068367
2014-04-23 20:24:42   BUY   0.00000048   40752513.81940600   19.56120663   0.02934180   19.59054843
2014-04-23 19:21:15   BUY   0.00000047   46158383.39695468   21.69444019   0.03254166   21.72698185
2014-04-23 19:21:01   BUY   0.00000048   44722897.00459010   21.46699056   0.03220049   21.49919105
2014-04-23 18:48:27   BUY   0.00000048   3096869.13657820   1.48649718   0.00222974   1.48872692
2014-04-23 18:35:01   BUY   0.00000048   2180233.85883170   1.04651225   0.00156976   1.04808201
2014-04-23 18:30:36   BUY   0.00000050   12591362.82576140   6.29568141   0.00944352   6.30512493
2014-04-23 16:15:34   BUY   0.00000050   20000000.85278400   10.00000042   0.01500000   10.01500042

Enough for today :-)
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April 23, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
I still dont understand why some people buy 1 000 000 000 coins or more with no trust in the karma team.

you are right.. nobody would be that foolish.. there are many people with vested interests in seeing the price of Karma go UP and DOWN... so when it doesn't seem logical.. its probably FUD.
sr. member
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April 23, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
Although I'm currently holding 1.3 billion Karmacoins and believe that there will be an opportunity to sell them sometime way obove the price I bought them, I'm an IT-lawyer at the same time working for a global software company and wouldn't invest a single penny buying pseudo-shares of this non-transparent construct. Just to be clear: Kosmost is legally allowed to do whatever he wants with the coins you all sent him...

I'm curious. How are you able to spend so much time mining being an IT lawyer and working another job?

I thought I was good with time management.. I'd like to learn your secrets  Smiley

Better don't ask my friends or parents... :-(

Anyway, my rigs are mining, I'm just looking for adequate investment opportunities and I don't follow many other coins right now...
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April 23, 2014, 03:39:54 PM
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April 23, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
Till their are choice and freedom there is no problem.

Every questions i asked were answered with lot of elements.

Im not a member of the team i didnt invest karma in karma share actually, and no one forced me to do it.

I was reading all this post pages and the last post pages, all i can see is everyone can do what he wants.

I still dont understand why some people buy 1 000 000 000 coins or more with no trust in the karma team.

As i said every time if you dont like something nobody is asking you to do it.

If you really dont care about karmacoin dont hold so much coins ....
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April 23, 2014, 03:39:07 PM
Also so to be clear.

Our team is not receiving any more shares then what we invest just like the rest of the people.

Am i correct Kosmost?

Yes, correct. No shares for anyone at all, including myself, unless exchanged or holding 10MM for 30+ days. We may also provide additional share points for the coins in the Karmashares wallet. If the math works out (not sure yet) this will be an added bonus

All will be verifiable in the blockchain. And of course the math will need to add up.
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April 23, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
Although I'm currently holding 1.3 billion Karmacoins and believe that there will be an opportunity to sell them sometime way obove the price I bought them, I'm an IT-lawyer at the same time working for a global software company and wouldn't invest a single penny buying pseudo-shares of this non-transparent construct. Just to be clear: Kosmost is legally allowed to do whatever he wants with the coins you all sent him...

I'm curious. How are you able to spend so much time mining being an IT lawyer and working another job?

I thought I was good with time management.. I'd like to learn your secrets  Smiley
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April 23, 2014, 03:28:59 PM
Also so to be clear.

Our team is not receiving any more shares then what we invest just like the rest of the people.

Am i correct Kosmost?
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April 23, 2014, 03:24:51 PM
As a proof or my confidence in our plans, I'd just sent 400 000 000 KARM to KarkasharesLLC.

You can find it here : http://explorer.karmacoin.me/address/K8rMbDnZ7xX9VqBXmLwA7DCnYra1ftw3gE7
(Last 5 transactions 111544 to 111548).

Go forward !  Wink
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April 23, 2014, 03:17:35 PM
People are rightly paranoid as the history of cryptos is filled with pitfalls, to put it mildly. I think the idea here is really interesting, however, and hopefully you guys will prove it to be viable and increase the value of Karmacoin and do some good in the world. Everyone out there can't be a bad guy, there has to be some good guys/gals. It would really set a good example and could start to change the perception of cryptos if this is the exception to most of the crypto investment sorts of things going on, so I am totally hoping this all works out for everyone.

Personally, I just have some Karmacoins that I bought at a lower price as it seemed Karmacoin had some good ideas and leadership behind it... all of a sudden. Karmashares is interesting, but as I don't know any of you personally, no offense, you sound like great people, I am more interested in the POC concept and how that plays out.

Can you explain Proof of Coin and what happens if I decide I am just too paranoid to risk investing, but still hope the best and want to "hold" Karamcoin for the POC element?

Additionally, I think looking into Karmacoin, one of the community managers of Mintcoin joined the Karmacoin team? Did they find Karmacoin to have more potential or is there any way that can be clarified? (Love Mintcoin - just curious)

Does the LLC exist or is it in process? Are there legal documents for the LLC that you can show to indicate that this is something  more? What is the address for the LLC, I am unclear on that, and it if is a home business or whatever, I have one myself, not an issue and low overhead is fine with me. How about real names? Is there any reason to be anonymous? As an LLC everything would be above board I imagine and real identities would go a long ways toward raising confidence for people willing to gamble a bit and send coins, or even buy coins at this point. I have seen a couple names in articles, I am just not sure who is who and exactly what is going on - transparency would help a great deal. Thanks!

Lastly, I run a large crypto currency club and Karmacoin is one of the most interesting ones currently. So I am asking for a lot of other people as well. Best I can tell the Karmacoin community sort of picked up the ball and ran with it and is trying to make Karmacoin into a success. Nothing at all wrong with that, and some of the most successful cryptos that is exactly what it took. Open source, so go for it in my view.

''Can you explain Proof of Coin and what happens if I decide I am just too paranoid to risk investing, but still hope the best and want to "hold" Karamcoin for the POC element?''
If you decide to see what happens with PoC, it is easy : if you hold your coins more than 30 days on your wallet, you will receive share profits from KarmasharesLLC quarterly, but with no ''bonus'', so 1000 Karmacoins will bring you 1 share profit, you have to hold minimum 5 000 000 KARM at this time to get profits from Karmashares. This value will decrease when Karma value will rise.


I worked few times as community manager of Mintcoin (hey David Latapie  Wink ) but I quited for few reasons. A this time (when we saw the BIIIG pump to 80 satoshi), we had a worst organisation inside the team than we have now in KarmaTeam. I didn't like delays each time asking something to Mintcoin devs, little lack of task organisation, no real leader. I loved Mintcoin ideas and PoS system but I can say that now with Karmacoin and Karmashares we have REAL plan, REAL schedule for more than one month and a half.

New people is coming here without knowing all the work, time, energy and money we put in this project.
IT IS NOT JUST A COIN, it is FUTURE



I certainly won't be selling any Karma myself. Perfect name really, with solid leadership there is a vast amount of mainstream potential here. I think I hold enough Karmacoin to do ok with the POC concept and won't be dumping them. Maybe even buy some more of them. Wink
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April 23, 2014, 03:17:23 PM
through the hostile and angry pages of his other account and decide for yourself: http://www.reddit.com/user/karmagood

wow that guy really likes hookers... lolz what an angry sexually frustrated little fellow...

so angry and sexually frustrated that he forgot to log out of his Karma account and log into his angry man account.
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April 23, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
This is a very good statement kosmost I think you should copy and paste this to a special page in karmashares.com so we can link to it whenever the accusations of karmabad pop ups. More power to Karmateam !

It makes me a bit uncomfortable. I don't like talking about others. But there are people who read r/karmacoin and believe what he is saying, and doubt our efforts. So it's better to put what he is saying in context, even though it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Hopefully, this will pass soon enough.
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