Topic: [ANN][KARM] Karmacoin - New Initiatives - Helping People Do Good - page 122. (Read 352488 times)

I like the elephant too.. im pro choice and pro diversity and I absolutely agree with making the coin more funny and less serious...

I'd like to see a crypto that can be taken seriously but is also fun and easy enough for kids to use so that we can ween them off the dangerous idea of borrowing money from banks to live.

imagine freeing an entire generation of people from the slavery mess that is the "fractional reserve banking system"... now that would be some seriously good Karma...

by your logic a wine glass, an egg and loaf of bread are probably religion symbols too... lol...

yes I get the point.. YOU don't like it.. and YOU don't want it... so how about YOU let the people decide before YOU say it wont be used?

after all its the people who vote and then the creators who have the final say.... not you or I...

I personally liked the design because looks nice, carries meaning, fits with the name and doesn't offend me at all...

Elephant is much better than wheel or a symbol. We need something funny and less serious. Besides logo should be simple too. No wheels plz. I am voting for elephant logo with my feet, hands and tail.

Make it simple and remembering.

what are you talking about how is a wheel offensive to anyone? nobody is suggesting putting swastika or nuclear symbol on the coin .. jeez...

a wheel is no more symbolic than an elephant or a smiley face... all the wheel represents is movement along a path... a path which hopefully most people would like to share..

yes I agree I would be concerned if someone wanted to put a masonic symbol or something with a hidden agenda on the coin... but cmon man lighten up and actual read what Dharma wheels are all about before you go saying they are symbols of any particular religion.
 

"a philosophical construct used by many different religions" = a religious symbol. It doesn't matter if it's important to 1 religion or many.

Karmacoin is a very good name, imo. It's easy to remember and pronounce. It means different things to different people. It's also in English. It's also a name most Buddhists would probably not understand. (Nevermind many would call it something like "kammacoin" or "kalmcoin", because it has a "r" sound.) To me, that makes it more generic. A symbol, however, is more universal.

There's no need to discuss something that we won't use, anyway. No need to beat a dead horse. Whatever lines of reasoning we come up with would be fruitless because of it.

as you might like to read.. no it isn't... its a philosophical construct used by many different religions.
can you point to the Dharma wheel and tell me which religion it represents?



then why aren't you arguing for a change in the name?, by your own logic this coin has a very religious name..

We're talking about a startup in the form of a coin, Karmacoin, not a country.

We want to do good things. If the foundation of our coin (the logo) is offensive to some or many, would this not go against the idea of the coin?

It is not worth the risk. It is also not good design. There's not much else to be said about it, because it is not important to use such symbols in our coin.

As you may read, I was referring to the symbology. Dharma is, indeed, religious.

But my point is that when designing a logo we should use something that does not already have direct meaning. If we're using something that does we would do well to make it new in some way (color, interesting design, unexpected or novel elements, etc.) As in, a new yet familiar symbol.

firstly we have already gone over that topic... Dharma and Karma are not religious concepts in and of themselves.. they predate most of the worlds religions.


secondly.. how can you make that claim that when countries of all religions have been doing that very thing for thousands of years?

Karmacoin is not a religious coin. It therefore should not have religious symbols.

All of the Buddhists I have spoken with (about 4) would love to use Karmacoin. I polled some people about 3 weeks ago when I was looking for projects that could be supported by Karmacoin. They are all familiar with Bitcoin. 1 was familiar with Dogecoin.

Most Buddhists are quite modern and are as materialistic and consumerist as anyone else. I can't count how many times I've seen monks using mobiles, for example. A couple have even been involved in real estate transactions. But to put Buddhist-like symbols on money is patently offensive.

Whatever we did we should poll the potential market to see how they feel about it. (And if we're using the symbols of a religion, polling those who hold those symbols dear, so as not to offend them. That would be bad karma.)

you might be married to a purist who does not believe in material things but to say that all Buddhists reject the idea of linking symbols with money is completely false. There are many different schools of thought with many different positions on money. yes of course devout monks DO reject all forms of money and materialism but that has never stopped coins covered in Buddhist symbols from being created by Buddhist kingdoms and even temples.

in history there are plenty of coins with Dharma wheels, Swastikas, Lotuses, Bodhisatvas, the buddha himself.. all over them.. I even have some Buddhist temple tokens in my (real) coin collection...

I would argue that any purist (of any belief system) who does not believe in materialism would have no need for KarmaCoin at all and so would probably be one of the last people on earth to use it.

As I said in my open letter.. people are confusing Marketing Logos with Currency. they are not the same thing and it would be mindful to consider both when voting.


here is a coin from the modern buddhist kingdom of Bhutan you can clearly see the swastika and dharma wheel


here is an old tibetan coin where you can see the 8 fold lotus and Dharma wheel


this I think is an ancient mauryan coin showing a bodhisatva or buddha..



and woah here is one coin from sri lanka which has the Dharma Wheel, Buddha and a Lotus' all on the same coin!

When it comes to a logo, it makes no difference what it is used for. The only question is, "Will my potential market like it?". And if it's a good logo, "Will my potential market be moved by it?"

Hopefully, the logo will move (i.e., compel to action, or inspire) the greatest number of people to act, not just a small niche.

If Karmacoin is used globally then it should be globally-appealing.

(Being married to a Buddhist and having gone to temples numerous times I can tell you that no Buddhist would want their symbols associated with a financial instrument. It goes against the Buddhist maxims. That is another reasons a religious symbol like a dharma wheel or a lotus flower would be a mistake. Because it would only be attractive to those who don't really know what those symbols mean.)

logo is so gud!

Dear All,

when considering your vote for the KarmaCoin Logos I would invite you to be mindful of the following:

KarmaCoin is not a company, it is a Currency and Payment system. If you have forgotten what currencies look like.. please do open your wallet and look at the level detail on both the coins and notes.
 and then ask yourself the these questions... would I be comfortable using a coin with this logo for buying groceries, a car, even a house? would I be comfortable accepting money with this logo as payment for my services? would I pay school fees with it? would i pay hospital bills with it? would I donate this to my local church/temple/charity?

all these questions are important as they will tell you how useful the design is likely to be in every day life.

I completely understand and agree with people's comments that a design must be simple enough so that it is easily recognizable when minimized (ie on tabs and bottom corners of pages etc) and from far away, but at the same time, we do also need full sized elaborate designs, that actually look like money, which can go on cover pages of magazines, websites etc with enough detail to really hold peoples attention..

now with that being said.. I would like to invite you all to make your way over to Reddit and vote on whatever designs you like. After all this is a free economy and every vote counts.

thank you for your participating in the creation of better value for KarmaCoin and its community.

Sincerely here for the long haul,

Alphi. (some random guy that wandered in and thought this coin was a good idea)

Since when KARMA is for high class only?

Other colors, removed eyelashes, more solid looking circle and text. Bam. Logo. Stamp whatever symbolic on elephant's forehead if there's such desire.

I can already imagine it attracting attention in exchange coins list. Or on nice web button "Pay with karma". Bigger one in children charity webpage. Would want a fridge magnet or a sticker like that. Some would even want a t-shirt or hoodie.

Whatever, it just simply works and that's the beauty of it.

Also, there's huge value in the fact that it was an original drawing, so it can go anywhere from that. Now it's a logo, tomorrow a mascot for a "beginners guide to KARM coin".

The first one is like the elephant is drinking water and turns blue herself. This is the essence of "karma"

from the subreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Karmacoin/comments/1z3fxo/new_karmacoin_logo_contest_thread/

http://i.imgur.com/c9i6Esf.jpg

If everyone can come together and figure out what they want collectively, I'll create a new logo based on all the suggestions?

 august25's logo is too inappropriate for a coin. Especially for Karma coin and it screams "low class".

+1

This logo is awesome.