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Topic: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo - An Open, Composable Smart Chain Platform, Secured by B - page 28. (Read 1192042 times)

sr. member
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Imagine a world without banks.......
sr. member
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dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

No.

KMD investors decide who runs 64 notaries, so saying dPoW is a HYBRID VERSION of PoS is valid IMO

1 VOTE = 1 KMD

No, you aren't directly generating blocks. Nothing about your existing UTXOs influences block generation. Of the NN's you elect, they are still mining POW as well. It's a poor statement and only serves to cause confusion about KMD from people doing their DD.

Ok, give a definition of dPoW without mentioning how the notaries are selected then, is that how you propose to rid people of confusion?

You must be a troll, anyone doing DD who doesn't appreciate 64 NN are elected based on 1KMD = 1 VOTE would call komodo a scam shitcoin,

"proof of jl777's buddies in discord"
legendary
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dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

No.

KMD investors decide who runs 64 notaries, so saying dPoW is a HYBRID VERSION of PoS is valid IMO

1 VOTE = 1 KMD

No, you aren't directly generating blocks. Nothing about your existing UTXOs influences block generation. Of the NN's you elect, they are still mining POW as well. It's a poor statement and only serves to cause confusion about KMD from people doing their DD.
sr. member
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dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

No.

semantics
sr. member
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Unfortunately, a lot of smaller investors won't bother voting at all,


What was the turn out last year?
sr. member
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dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

No.

KMD investors decide who runs 64 notaries, so saying dPoW is a HYBRID VERSION of PoS is valid IMO

1 VOTE = 1 KMD
legendary
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dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

No.
sr. member
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In the end the community of komodo is best represented by the owners of KMD!


+1

dPoW is a hybrid version of proof of stake where KMD investors get to decide who runs NN

will be awesome when someone sets up a community node, my prediction is when kmd hits next ATH NN profits will be high enough to pay operator a good salary with plenty left over for small hodlers to share some of the spoils, but with bear market prices the main priority is 64 reliable notaries running 24/7
sr. member
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Not planning to spam my campaign for 1 EU notary node, but I do want to share that VoskCoin has entered the 2019 Komodo Notary Node Elections Cheesy



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sr. member
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I don't see many new candidates so far, bear market NN rewards aren't that great now. You should just run your own node trump, not much competition so candidates don't need you Smiley

Next year I will try and find a permanent tech partner and we will run two NN every year thereafter and split the rewards 50:50.

It means another year of HODL to preserve my ~2.7% of future VOTE, but from 2020 onwards I should be able to live off the ~1500 kmd per month and maintain my two NN's, even after the BIG players arrive.

In future years I think the discussion around this process will change and the community will speak more of NN 'selection' rather than 'elections'.

When the monthly reward is ~1500 USD candidates will mostly be individuals and small groups of 2-3 guys trying to bootstrap startup projects, and in that context, the process of voting feels similar to a regular political election.

When the NN monthly reward is consistently over 25k USD per month, however, the candidates will be profit-making businesses, and there will likely be quite a few large existing crypto players trying to secure one or more NN, and they won't be investing huge sums in the ecosystem if they have to rely on being 'popular' to attract VOTE from random community members in an 'election' where the community frowns upon revenue sharing to secure one of the limited NN spots.

We should never forget, NN aren't making any real decisions, in this early phase the NN rewards can attract new talent into the ecosystem, and so the process is sort of a popularity contest based on candidates skills and contributions to the community so far, but when the NN rewards are bootstrapping large crypto businesses this process will feel more like how monopoly licenses are allocated to large enterprises in industries where TPTB deliberately restrict who can participate.

Don't misunderstand me - I like the NN selection system jl777 and co. have designed, but we should never forget that the NN rewards come from a restriction on who can become a NN, and the easy mining rewards are by design anti-competitive compared to regular miners, and that's a good design IMO. BUT, this isn't like electing politicians where vote buying is obviously corrupt, this is more like selecting which large telco gets the right to roll out 5G networks, or which mining company can extract minerals from public land. The community wants reliable operators who do a good job, and the businesses want certainty so they can invest capital, time & skill.

Uncertainty is costly, and any business relying on their NN revenue streams to fund operational costs and growth in the ecosystem will not risk relying on an election every year where they have to campaign for votes, that is too uncertain, 'last year we could budget for NN rewards, but oh no, we lost the last election so for the next 12 months our revenue stream is gone' - this is a recipe for disaster, and not how successful businesses operate.

In the future when KMD MK is much larger than it is today NN candidates will look for ways to guarantee their spots over multiple years, and that will include things like competition with other NN candidates using incentives like revenue sharing, other token offerings, and discounts on various services and products offered by the NN business itself, as well as private deals with large holders.

I also hope in the future we see genuine community run nodes for small KMD holders to pool their VOTE.

This is not an outcome we should fear IMO, on the contrary, NN revenue streams will allow komodo based companies to prosper and grow without resorting to the traditional revenue sources of so many existing internet business (selling customer data and advertising), and charging exorbitant fees.

We should prepare for NN candidates to be businesses though, and expect that they will  try to secure NN 'licenses' in the future in ways that involve offering incentives to voters, and eventually I think the majority of the community will not be freaked out by revenue sharing, especially if we have genuine community pools.

In the end the community of komodo is best represented by the owners of KMD!

Good luck to ALL the 2019 NN candidates!




that's a very interesting comparison, thanks for sharing that
jr. member
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I don't see many new candidates so far, bear market NN rewards aren't that great now. You should just run your own node trump, not much competition so candidates don't need you Smiley

Next year I will try and find a permanent tech partner and we will run two NN every year thereafter and split the rewards 50:50.

It means another year of HODL to preserve my ~2.7% of future VOTE, but from 2020 onwards I should be able to live off the ~1500 kmd per month and maintain my two NN's, even after the BIG players arrive.

In future years I think the discussion around this process will change and the community will speak more of NN 'selection' rather than 'elections'.

When the monthly reward is ~1500 USD candidates will mostly be individuals and small groups of 2-3 guys trying to bootstrap startup projects, and in that context, the process of voting feels similar to a regular political election.

When the NN monthly reward is consistently over 25k USD per month, however, the candidates will be profit-making businesses, and there will likely be quite a few large existing crypto players trying to secure one or more NN, and they won't be investing huge sums in the ecosystem if they have to rely on being 'popular' to attract VOTE from random community members in an 'election' where the community frowns upon revenue sharing to secure one of the limited NN spots.

We should never forget, NN aren't making any real decisions, in this early phase the NN rewards can attract new talent into the ecosystem, and so the process is sort of a popularity contest based on candidates skills and contributions to the community so far, but when the NN rewards are bootstrapping large crypto businesses this process will feel more like how monopoly licenses are allocated to large enterprises in industries where TPTB deliberately restrict who can participate.

Don't misunderstand me - I like the NN selection system jl777 and co. have designed, but we should never forget that the NN rewards come from a restriction on who can become a NN, and the easy mining rewards are by design anti-competitive compared to regular miners, and that's a good design IMO. BUT, this isn't like electing politicians where vote buying is obviously corrupt, this is more like selecting which large telco gets the right to roll out 5G networks, or which mining company can extract minerals from public land. The community wants reliable operators who do a good job, and the businesses want certainty so they can invest capital, time & skill.

Uncertainty is costly, and any business relying on their NN revenue streams to fund operational costs and growth in the ecosystem will not risk relying on an election every year where they have to campaign for votes, that is too uncertain, 'last year we could budget for NN rewards, but oh no, we lost the last election so for the next 12 months our revenue stream is gone' - this is a recipe for disaster, and not how successful businesses operate.

In the future when KMD MK is much larger than it is today NN candidates will look for ways to guarantee their spots over multiple years, and that will include things like competition with other NN candidates using incentives like revenue sharing, other token offerings, and discounts on various services and products offered by the NN business itself, as well as private deals with large holders.

I also hope in the future we see genuine community run nodes for small KMD holders to pool their VOTE.

This is not an outcome we should fear IMO, on the contrary, NN revenue streams will allow komodo based companies to prosper and grow without resorting to the traditional revenue sources of so many existing internet business (selling customer data and advertising), and charging exorbitant fees.

We should prepare for NN candidates to be businesses though, and expect that they will  try to secure NN 'licenses' in the future in ways that involve offering incentives to voters, and eventually I think the majority of the community will not be freaked out by revenue sharing, especially if we have genuine community pools.

In the end the community of komodo is best represented by the owners of KMD!

Good luck to ALL the 2019 NN candidates!




i always enjoy reading your posts. you put a lot of thought into them.
hero member
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On the Hitbtc the most profitable exchange for Komodo, enrollment for 7 minutes, on the other two hours have to wait, on the Bittrex half an hour. But only DOGE whithdrawal need, or a large Commission for everything, even the Komodo 4 bucks   
hero member
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I believe many NN will bootstrap businesses that form the backbone of the whole komodo ecosystem and are able to interact with other crypto and non-crypto entities legally.

I agree, jl777 being anonymous means komodo needs more public people to help spread adoption, image if a komodo equivalent of Andreas Antonopolous got funded from running a NN, all the marketing probs solved



This will be my last post here, I've got nothing more to say, good luck to everyone!

Good decision trump, time for the community to focus on the election
sr. member
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Imagine a world without banks.......
Notary Node Manifesto - ChainZilla 2019
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newbie
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I don't see many new candidates so far, bear market NN rewards aren't that great now. You should just run your own node trump, not much competition so candidates don't need you Smiley

Next year I will try and find a permanent tech partner and we will run two NN every year thereafter and split the rewards 50:50.


Why not run this year?

I agree notaries will be run as companies when the profits get massive in 2-3 years
hero member
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One private key per SEED and the absence of a list of rich addresses in the block explorer - this is an additional security from Komodo. Yesterday was hacked rich EOS coin address of Bithumb, it became possible because the addresses there are short, only 12 characters and rich laid out in the public

In case you want to see the KMD richlist: https://www.dexstats.info/richlist.php?asset=KMD

in vain it is made
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During months of bull market late of 2017 and early of 2018, KOMODO has still maintain its position in crypto world very well.
Its price has fallen, I known it, but its position has still been in top of CMC.
KOMODO has stood in the range between top 50 and top 60 for recent months.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/komodo/

It is because they are actively developing the platform and giving a good updates to their community on the time. Even the major important thing is they are very actively providing the development which makes the community to believe on this coin with more confidence.
legendary
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One private key per SEED and the absence of a list of rich addresses in the block explorer - this is an additional security from Komodo. Yesterday was hacked rich EOS coin address of Bithumb, it became possible because the addresses there are short, only 12 characters and rich laid out in the public

In case you want to see the KMD richlist: https://www.dexstats.info/richlist.php?asset=KMD
hero member
Activity: 1988
Merit: 593
One private key per SEED and the absence of a list of rich addresses in the block explorer - this is an additional security from Komodo. Yesterday was hacked rich EOS coin address of Bithumb, it became possible because the addresses there are short, only 12 characters and rich laid out in the public
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