I have been trying to simplify the discussion here related to Libertycoin. In my opinion, there are two ways to interpret the future of the coin:
1) The developers skills and vision will bring the coin to ultimate success (think Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook)
2) The developers skills and vision will not be up to the task and the coin will fail (think 99% of all tech startups)
Either is possible, and the risk will be equal to the potential reward. Invest accordingly.
Topic: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] v1.0.3.0 | X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | - page 59. (Read 359881 times)
May 29, 2014, 01:51:52 PM
May 29, 2014, 01:45:30 PM
First of all let me say this...
I am a little bit peeved at Iconic Expert for posting his announcement that he would work it out to get control of the coin when in fact he was not sure he could. I like many others purchased the coin on his announcement and lost some money when it tanked. In hindsight he should have done more due diligence before he made statements he could not reasonably back up, regarding taking over the lead dev role. He should have also interviewed the dev team before becoming involved. In the midst of it all I sent him a PM asking if I should sell or hold which was unanswered, which again peeved me. Now Iconic does not owe me anything. I am just someone that admired his work and if you are going to get and keep a following I think it is important to take care of people that follow you.
The racial comments on this thread really irritate me. People who use racial comments should be banned period. There is no place in this world for that kind of bigotry.
People here, like myself learned an important lesson. A coin with a low amount of coins is not a scarce resource in and of itself (There are PLENTY of those). There has to be innovation. They have to be doing something different. Does Liberty coin offer anything right now? If they deliver on a new innovation the market will respond. If not the coin will die or anguish like others that have imploded.
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over. I did not see anything in the chat logs or PM posts that indicated that Iconic was doing any sort of scam. He was simply trying to lead the only way he knows how. To me Iconic is guilty of being arrogant and hot tempered. These are not crimes and many successful corporate executives share these traits.
As far as his Wall Street donations. I said in another thread that he should simply give the funds to the Blackcoin foundation and be done with it. I don't believe he was scamming it but it is easy to twist his keeping it as scamming. I know he cringes at giving it back to the BC foundation but it would get that stupid monkey off his back. This is where his arrogance is a hindrance. Sometimes he takes actions that he should not simply because he feels a medieval sense of honor or is angry...
I ordered and received two of the limited edition cards. They were packed well. I believe Iconic to be an honest guy. I believe the only way he will succeed in a coin is if he works with someone who has a bigger ego than his that he respects or he makes his own coin, which I believe would be successful.
Judge Crypto
I am a little bit peeved at Iconic Expert for posting his announcement that he would work it out to get control of the coin when in fact he was not sure he could. I like many others purchased the coin on his announcement and lost some money when it tanked. In hindsight he should have done more due diligence before he made statements he could not reasonably back up, regarding taking over the lead dev role. He should have also interviewed the dev team before becoming involved. In the midst of it all I sent him a PM asking if I should sell or hold which was unanswered, which again peeved me. Now Iconic does not owe me anything. I am just someone that admired his work and if you are going to get and keep a following I think it is important to take care of people that follow you.
The racial comments on this thread really irritate me. People who use racial comments should be banned period. There is no place in this world for that kind of bigotry.
People here, like myself learned an important lesson. A coin with a low amount of coins is not a scarce resource in and of itself (There are PLENTY of those). There has to be innovation. They have to be doing something different. Does Liberty coin offer anything right now? If they deliver on a new innovation the market will respond. If not the coin will die or anguish like others that have imploded.
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over. I did not see anything in the chat logs or PM posts that indicated that Iconic was doing any sort of scam. He was simply trying to lead the only way he knows how. To me Iconic is guilty of being arrogant and hot tempered. These are not crimes and many successful corporate executives share these traits.
As far as his Wall Street donations. I said in another thread that he should simply give the funds to the Blackcoin foundation and be done with it. I don't believe he was scamming it but it is easy to twist his keeping it as scamming. I know he cringes at giving it back to the BC foundation but it would get that stupid monkey off his back. This is where his arrogance is a hindrance. Sometimes he takes actions that he should not simply because he feels a medieval sense of honor or is angry...
I ordered and received two of the limited edition cards. They were packed well. I believe Iconic to be an honest guy. I believe the only way he will succeed in a coin is if he works with someone who has a bigger ego than his that he respects or he makes his own coin, which I believe would be successful.
Judge Crypto
Agreed. But I don't know if someone with a big ego can respect someone with a bigger ego. It just doesn't seem like they'd find any mutual ground and will always be a struggle for power.
We don't even know the whole story and never will, but someone made a lot of money off us.
May 29, 2014, 01:42:42 PM
Judge Crypto
You and IconicExpert seem to be birds of a feather. You two should make a coin together, perhaps produce offspring together.
Did I wake up in the 3rd grade? That is the last time I have heard an argument like that. How am I like Iconic? If you are going to throw around accusations, please support them.
Well, first, I find it hard to believe that anyone of good conscience would want a thieving jackass like IconicExpert to lead this coin. Second, your name, Judge Crypto, comes across as pretentious, just like IconicExpert. It betrays an over-the-top effort to command respect on the basis of FIAT, typical of con-artists and cult leaders.
May 29, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
If you like iconic, go follow him to whatever his new coin is going to be. The community that he brought with him never was the Libertycoin community, and they are gone now. What remains is the real Libertycoin community. If that is not to your liking, you should move on.
Why the anger at me for giving my honest assessment? I put in good money and got left holding a bag just like everyone else here. My assessment was not one sided and was very fair. If you look at my history I have disagreed with Iconic on multiple occasions. I disagreed when he suggested the BC pump. I disagreed with how he handled the wall street donations. To label me a groupie and tell me to just follow him is rather narrow sighted. Read the history. History don't lie.
My post want intended be be angry, just direct and matter of fact. I am sure that the developers would like suggestions, but you need to understand that they are free to accept or reject them as they see fit. The coin isnt a democracy. Owning the coins doesnt give you a vote.
You can be upset that the direction of the coin has changed (or at least the direction that was being promoted), but at least now everything is upfront. No one is hiding anything anymore. You have full information now. Make your decisions based on that.
May 29, 2014, 01:39:20 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
If you like iconic, go follow him to whatever his new coin is going to be. The community that he brought with him never was the Libertycoin community, and they are gone now. What remains is the real Libertycoin community. If that is not to your liking, you should move on.
Why the anger at me for giving my honest assessment? I put in good money and got left holding a bag just like everyone else here. My assessment was not one sided and was very fair. If you look at my history I have disagreed with Iconic on multiple occasions. I disagreed when he suggested the BC pump. I disagreed with how he handled the wall street donations. To label me a groupie and tell me to just follow him is rather narrow sighted. Read the history. History don't lie.
As someone with just a tiny bit of good sense, I wouldn't buy a taco from that guy.
At least you supported the measurement of your sense accurately. Thanks!
May 29, 2014, 01:37:05 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
If you like iconic, go follow him to whatever his new coin is going to be. The community that he brought with him never was the Libertycoin community, and they are gone now. What remains is the real Libertycoin community. If that is not to your liking, you should move on.
Why the anger at me for giving my honest assessment? I put in good money and got left holding a bag just like everyone else here. My assessment was not one sided and was very fair. If you look at my history I have disagreed with Iconic on multiple occasions. I disagreed when he suggested the BC pump. I disagreed with how he handled the wall street donations. To label me a groupie and tell me to just follow him is rather narrow sighted. Read the history. History don't lie.
As someone with just a tiny bit of good sense, I wouldn't buy a taco from that guy.
May 29, 2014, 01:36:27 PM
Judge Crypto
You and IconicExpert seem to be birds of a feather. You two should make a coin together, perhaps produce offspring together.
Did I wake up in the 3rd grade? That is the last time I have heard an argument like that. How am I like Iconic? If you are going to throw around accusations, please support them.
May 29, 2014, 01:31:04 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
If you like iconic, go follow him to whatever his new coin is going to be. The community that he brought with him never was the Libertycoin community, and they are gone now. What remains is the real Libertycoin community. If that is not to your liking, you should move on.
Why the anger at me for giving my honest assessment? I put in good money and got left holding a bag just like everyone else here. My assessment was not one sided and was very fair. If you look at my history I have disagreed with Iconic on multiple occasions. I disagreed when he suggested the BC pump. I disagreed with how he handled the wall street donations. To label me a groupie and tell me to just follow him is rather narrow sighted. Read the history. History don't lie.
May 29, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
Now that there is a real discussion, my Yays will have to be retired.
Thanks.
May 29, 2014, 01:21:44 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Acseric I have to forgive all your Yayys! for this comment. Well said.
+1
acseric, I didn't find your "yays" to be constructive, but I apologize for calling you an idiot.
No worries. The Yays came from frustration because every post was being deleted. I was just amusing myself by pointing out how absurd many of the comments here were.
Now that there is a real discussion, my Yays will have to be retired.
May 29, 2014, 01:19:35 PM
Well put. What I see in the Dev is that he has a concept and a vision that's bigger and better than those of the vast majority of coins out there. As long as he keeps going, I don't care that the price has fallen. In my view, the people who are trying to create such urgency to get the price up are not credible. There is no rational motive behind that other than pump-and-dump, or "Crap, how am I gonna make rent??"
Yes, there is a tendency to think of crypto as lottery and when the prices come down abruptly in a matter of hours, the sense of loss is great and drives people into a rage. Remember, most times, this is a zero sum game. A sad mixture of greed and impatience pervades over the crypto valley. Hopefully, better sense will prevail as the industry matures.
May 29, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
If you like iconic, go follow him to whatever his new coin is going to be. The community that he brought with him never was the Libertycoin community, and they are gone now. What remains is the real Libertycoin community. If that is not to your liking, you should move on.
May 29, 2014, 01:18:31 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Acseric I have to forgive all your Yayys! for this comment. Well said.
+1
acseric, I didn't find your "yays" to be constructive, but I apologize for calling you an idiot.
May 29, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
Sadly the only thing that can save this coin is for Iconic to take it over.
You are basically passing a judgement under the garb of veiled and loosely put together logic and a vague sense of Bouzy-allegiance. I am not saying you are an alter ego of Bouzy but there is a difference between sparking a debate and blatant endorsement. This is the latter.
May 29, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
And I have been trying to be reasonable with you.
Hmm. All I am trying to say is the situation demands rationality and pragmatism. You have a team in place and you gotta back that team and help them build forward. I visited IRC and saw the devs trying quite hard to push Liberty forward. The team does not need to be comprising of A listers and 50 year olds done it all successful business dudes, what they need at this juncture is to have the willingness to keep pushing under severe pressure. And the success of this coin and community hinges on that.
Well put. What I see in the Dev is that he has a concept and a vision that's bigger and better than those of the vast majority of coins out there. As long as he keeps going, I don't care that the price has fallen. In my view, the people who are trying to create such urgency to get the price up are not credible. There is no rational motive behind that other than pump-and-dump, or "Crap, how am I gonna make rent??"
May 29, 2014, 01:13:02 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Acseric I have to forgive all your Yayys! for this comment. Well said.
As much as I have been having fun with this thread, I do respect the will of the owner. It is his to with what he wants. Everyone else, if you have a different vision - follow that vision somewhere else. If you want to support the developer's decisions, stay here and do that.
The concept is very simple.
P.S. Yay!
May 29, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Acseric I have to forgive all your Yayys! for this comment. Well said.
May 29, 2014, 01:08:24 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
No "Yay!" ? I'm upset Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
hehe. Me too. It is much more fun cheering for every weird twist and turn in this thread.
Everyone needs to read the writing on the wall. YAY!
May 29, 2014, 01:07:11 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
No "Yay!" ? I'm upset Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
May 29, 2014, 01:04:36 PM
As much as any of us might disagree with the developer and his team, guess what - it is their coin. They have been very clear that if you dont like it, GTFO.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
Why is everyone still fighting this. Support the coin the way it is, or find another coin to support.
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