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legendary
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Furthermore, Max & Oliver Supported Lisk directly out-of pocket for an entire year before gaining access to the funds.

I would eat dog shit for a year to have access to 12k Bitcoin, just saying.

I wouldn't.



 Just saying. Cool
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
Is it really worth discussing with these people? Some are paid to FUD, some are invested in bringing the price down to invest lower, some others are just trolls with nothing to do. Looks at SDC, it was troll after troll... yet the project went from 0.00019 to 0.002 in very little time. Don't waste your time trust me...
OMMFG a newb account with a BRAIN!  Cheesy you are correct, ofc. I just get tiffed seeing the rampant stupidity. It's almost as if they ate paint-chips as children.
newbie
Activity: 31
Merit: 0
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This is "Major events" for 1 year 15k BTC ICO project?  Shocked Shocked Shocked
***


Even my wife would do it in month max Cheesy... she is a busy woman,
she is taking care of child mean time making transactions, buying house ,now refreshing it, making workouts and preparing me dinner for next day.
In free time she is a cleaning house...
Hey maybe they should hire her ?

PS:Maybe better not because i should do those works alone Cheesy

I don't how is in Germany but in my country you can set up legal firm in 1day...and then you pay $$$ Undecided

so lets sum:
- creating company 1 week maks
- creating foundation one month maks
- The Lisk network launches. 1 month maks just fork some DPOS coin or hire dev from DPOS community
That all work is rated for me at 3months .
Be honest do you think that more is needed ?

If i had 15 000BTC i would do it in one month . How ?
lets hire recommended good profesional IT project manager for year 100BTC...
Lets hire professional PR guy for contracts with investors since people want to be baby sit all time...
Then i would give manager 3000BTC for hiring devs and make project.
And today you would have probably product that you have been payed.
Professional manager don't give a fuck they see time target goal make budget / road map and go.
Maybe you will have some delays like always those are but come on ^^

PS: Max if you are reading this take those advice into heart and
hire that project manager it's obvious that you have problem with time management.
Let people do what they born to do.

Just because your country is lax on regulation doesn't mean Germany is.
barely 64 days into the project after funds arrived dude... and they ARE hiring PLENTY.
You cannot build a good platform in one month no matter how many devs you hire... that's another dumb idea.
Ever heard of interviewing? That's what managers do BEFORE hiring anyone... interview a multitude.
Check your facts before looking so damned stupid.

also... You spammed and trolled ICN the same way, I remember... and they're doing excellent.



Is it really worth discussing with these people? Some are paid to FUD, some are invested in bringing the price down to invest lower, some others are just trolls with nothing to do. Looks at SDC, it was troll after troll... yet the project went from 0.00019 to 0.002 in very little time. Don't waste your time trust me...
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
***
This is "Major events" for 1 year 15k BTC ICO project?  Shocked Shocked Shocked
***


Even my wife would do it in month max Cheesy... she is a busy woman,
she is taking care of child mean time making transactions, buying house ,now refreshing it, making workouts and preparing me dinner for next day.
In free time she is a cleaning house...
Hey maybe they should hire her ?

PS:Maybe better not because i should do those works alone Cheesy

I don't how is in Germany but in my country you can set up legal firm in 1day...and then you pay $$$ Undecided

so lets sum:
- creating company 1 week maks
- creating foundation one month maks
- The Lisk network launches. 1 month maks just fork some DPOS coin or hire dev from DPOS community
That all work is rated for me at 3months .
Be honest do you think that more is needed ?

If i had 15 000BTC i would do it in one month . How ?
lets hire recommended good profesional IT project manager for year 100BTC...
Lets hire professional PR guy for contracts with investors since people want to be baby sit all time...
Then i would give manager 3000BTC for hiring devs and make project.
And today you would have probably product that you have been payed.
Professional manager don't give a fuck they see time target goal make budget / road map and go.
Maybe you will have some delays like always those are but come on ^^

PS: Max if you are reading this take those advice into heart and
hire that project manager it's obvious that you have problem with time management.
Let people do what they born to do.

Just because your country is lax on regulation doesn't mean Germany is.
barely 64 days into the project after funds arrived dude... and they ARE hiring PLENTY.
You cannot build a good platform in one month no matter how many devs you hire... that's another dumb idea.
Ever heard of interviewing? That's what managers do BEFORE hiring anyone... interview a multitude.
Check your facts before looking so damned stupid.

Code:
so lets sum:
- creating company 1 week maks
- creating foundation one month maks
- The Lisk network launches. 1 month maks just fork some DPOS coin or hire dev from DPOS community
That all work is rated for me at 3months .
...and by your timeline they are far ahead of schedule, it's been 65 days or did you not learn to count?

also... You spammed and trolled ICN the same way, I remember... and they're doing excellent.
Owait... I see now... you're in a sig campaign trolling for stakes... that explains alot.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1002
Max  hold  more than 10000 btc,  hope there will be a  big support for  lisk development

Sad part is that he had one year already for that and pff...
He needs hire professional IT project manager who will kick his ass and move work forward.
Reason that he is not doing it is he doesn't like work under pressure but if he will keep his tempo people will crowd fund
Lisk2.0 but working one before Lisk from Max will finish his project >>> that would be full rekt and slap in Lisk community face
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 500
Max  hold  more than 10000 btc,  hope there will be a  big support for  lisk development
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1002
***
This is "Major events" for 1 year 15k BTC ICO project?  Shocked Shocked Shocked
***


Even my wife would do it in month max Cheesy... she is a busy woman,
she is taking care of child mean time making transactions, buying house ,now refreshing it, making workouts and preparing me dinner for next day.
In free time she is a cleaning house...
Hey maybe they should hire her ?

PS:Maybe better not because i should do those works alone Cheesy

I don't how is in Germany but in my country you can set up legal firm in 1day...and then you pay $$$ Undecided

so lets sum:
- creating company 1 week maks
- creating foundation one month maks
- The Lisk network launches. 1 month maks just fork some DPOS coin or hire dev from DPOS community
That all work is rated for me at 3months .
Be honest do you think that more is needed ?

If i had 15 000BTC i would do it in one month . How ?
lets hire recommended good profesional IT project manager for year 100BTC...
Lets hire professional PR guy for contracts with investors since people want to be baby sit all time...
Then i would give manager 3000BTC for hiring devs and make project.
And today you would have probably product that you have been payed.
Professional manager don't give a fuck they see time target goal make budget / road map and go.
Maybe you will have some delays like always those are but come on ^^

PS: Max if you are reading this take those advice into heart and
hire that project manager it's obvious that you have problem with time management.
Let people do what they born to do.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
If you all remember the Crypti project nothing came out of it despite all the goals and all the promises made.

Yes, specially DAPPS on Crypti. Is there any working DAPPS on Crypti? Sidechains working smooth?

Look at Crypti roadmap:



Just take a look. Where are working Dapps? What we see? DPOS (wow), client, usernames (lol), client stabilisation (lol), "New Client Design" (as a point in roadmap?! LOL).

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xcr-crypti-dapps-sidechains-dapp-store-open-source-100-own-code-dpos-654463
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
The Future is Bright for Lisk(...)

Here is a brief timeline of the major events since our ICO concluded:

21.03.2016: The Lisk ICO ended.
24.05.2016: The Lisk network launches.
xx.06.2016: gGmbH materials ready, started talking with the government (Germany).
01.08.2016: Oliver and Max move to Berlin.
xx.09.2016: gGmbH materials finished, frustration with the government (Germany).
01.10.2016: Switched to a Swiss legal firm.
16.11.2016: Commercial register entry of the Lisk Foundation.
30.11.2016: The Lisk network stabilizes.
19.12.2016: Lisk Foundation fully established and ready to go.
(...)

This is "Major events" for 1 year 15k BTC ICO project?  Shocked Shocked Shocked

This is fucking NOTHING. All points are NOTHING. The only important point is "Lisk network launches" which can you do in 1 DAY!

They wasted 1 year for nothing. Best points: "started talking", "move to Berlin", "frustration with the government", "network stabilizes".



OMG.

Lisk is not worth even 200 satoshi if those points are "Major events"... Just take a look what ETH or DASH or FCT or XMR did in one last year in development.

Sorry to be literal and rude but Lisk took money from investors for literally nothing (like they described in "Major events"). They should have max 750btc (like crypti ico) for that project not "14,009 BTC and 80 million XCR". They should rebuy ICO from people at ICO Lisk/Btc price and seriously quit making fail crypto projects.




legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1002
yeah inflation is not a very good thing. ****

This is real bullshit how much you have inflation in Lisk? 3% ?
Bitcoin now has ~4% and what it has been risen 4x in this year even with inflation.
To many people overrates inflation.  Some inflation is good it gives you volume boost and makes that old coins that are lost are replaced.
Problem in currency is not inflation which is low even POS coins like PPC BLK NXT  they have inflation at 1% or 0% and what ?
Did those coin had skyrocketed recently ? NOT
NO because a reason that some coin rise in sky is WORK done and delivering good stuff !
(Maybe DASH is more PR campaign more that real development )

Lisk is falling not because inflation but because people ar losing faith in project that is a reason.
Not 3% inflation for god sake.

legendary
Activity: 3010
Merit: 1460
Lisk is down, but it can still rise, I've hope in it. A bit concerned of course but it's still young and full of good ideas!


Lisk will go up again.

And I hope without the whole morons, who had puked the last days here.

This is true. LSK will go up again and then down again. That is how trading and markets are. What it will not be is the promised utopia for decentralized platform for DAPPS. This project will not gain adoption that will matter. Some developers might decide to play with it but nothing meaningful will come out of it. Sorry.

I don't see why LSK won't gain adoption. It's not like there are many alternatives out there, aside from Ethereum.

The concept is strong, create Dapps with a common code language such as JS.  The development is going slow though, but if they can get it all to work in the end then LSK could become very popular as a DAPP platform alternative.  



In paper yes, everything looks very good. But in practice I do not think the Lisk development team is doing enough to reach those goals. Maybe it is Max Kordek's inexperience or something. If you all remember the Crypti project nothing came out of it despite all the goals and all the promises made.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250

...


STOP answering each post and defending Lisk dude.

90% people see easily Lisk is FAIL by price and development and dev-team and you won't help it by trolling.

Get a life, quit bitcointalk sometimes.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 511
No. The code was based on crypti, but has long been totally changed.

Any other question? LOL^^^




Do you love lisk or btc more?

I am interested and involved in many projects.

But I think that does not really interest you.
You come here and scream only nonsense ... so what.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 511
max is gaming all of you!!
we dumping to 5500+ boys & girls.

Are you bored?
Your Noob account is just one month old and already you don't know what you should write?

this is just a clone of crypti and offers nothing.. NOTHING!

you guys took the money from the ICO and did shit... thieves!

No. The code was based on crypti, but has long been totally changed.

Any other question? LOL^^^

hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 511
max is gaming all of you!!
we dumping to 5500+ boys & girls.

Are you bored?
Your Noob account is just one month old and already you don't know what you should write?
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 511
Furthermore, Max & Oliver Supported Lisk directly out-of pocket for an entire year before gaining access to the funds.

I would eat dog shit for a year to have access to 12k Bitcoin, just saying.

Haha, maybe me too

But seriously, Lisk has set some rules for access to the ICO fund. And Max and Oliver have this respected always.
And we should not forget: the participations at the conferences last year, whether in China, Russia, Ukraine et cetera - All the costs they have paid from their own money.
hero member
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Furthermore, Max & Oliver Supported Lisk directly out-of pocket for an entire year before gaining access to the funds.

I would eat dog shit for a year to have access to 12k Bitcoin, just saying.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Think or swim.
The Future is Bright for Lisk
Last night, one of our advisors officially resigned from his position on the Board of Advisors for the Lisk Foundation. We (Max and Oliver) would like to begin this post by thanking our former advisor, Charles Hoskinson, for the sage advice and counsel he provided us over these past few months.
We would like to also use this opportunity to update the community on the positive relationship between Lisk and its Board of Advisors, an important circle of influencers and leaders who will continue to provide us with wisdom and experience.

Our views on advisors
We believe there are two types of advisors: active and passive. Active advisors constantly contact the management board and advise as they see fit. Passive advisors wait until the management board asks for advice, for the time being they therefore stay silent. We are lucky to have advisors who have taken an active role in providing us with counsel, even during the times when we made a conscious decision to go in a different direction.
The whole team at Lisk has been working hard every day because we sincerely believe in the long-term success of our project. Sometimes, we decided to opt against what we felt was a short-term benefit because, after consideration, we felt that the resources could be better spent later on. Our reasoning is that one could not build a house without a strong foundation to support it, and until ours was in place we did not feel it would be right to make certain investments.
The good news is that by the end of last year, and with the help of our legal team, with the great effort of our active Lisk team, and with the support of our community, we were able to establish the Lisk Foundation in Switzerland. This year, the project has been vastly accelerated, and we have the funding and the core team to produce extraordinary work.
We are here to stay … for a long time
It’s worth repeating: Lisk is here to stay, and for a very long time. We have made a commitment to a mass community to build an extremely high quality product knowing that this can’t happen overnight. As a result, we treat our funds with the greatest care while simultaneously ensuring that we maintain an optimal pace for development. Since the formation of the Foundation, we’ve been able to take advantage of our station to position Lisk for growth.
Some community members have complained about our decision to attempt to establish a gGmbH, stating that this process wasted three months of our time. Though we understand their thinking, in retrospect this was the best choice we had at the time. We were in constant contact with German lawyers to set it up and had we completed the process, we would have established a precedent in Germany which anyone could replicate — an important step for the ecosystem. Moreover, at that time last year, we were not in contact with the attorneys we eventually hired in Switzerland and, moreover, without permitted access to the ICO funds, we didn’t have the monetary resources to go in that direction either. However, once it increasingly became clear that the country Germany isn’t progressive enough, we made the big decision to set the Foundation in Switzerland — a very good decision at the end.
Here is a brief timeline of the major events since our ICO concluded:
21.03.2016: The Lisk ICO ended.
24.05.2016: The Lisk network launches.
xx.06.2016: gGmbH materials ready, started talking with the government (Germany).
01.08.2016: Oliver and Max move to Berlin.
xx.09.2016: gGmbH materials finished, frustration with the government (Germany).
01.10.2016: Switched to a Swiss legal firm.
16.11.2016: Commercial register entry of the Lisk Foundation.
30.11.2016: The Lisk network stabilizes.
19.12.2016: Lisk Foundation fully established and ready to go.
During the three “lost months”, we constantly improved the Lisk core and user interface, introduced Lisk Nano, maintained the Lisk Explorer and various resources, established the lightcurve GmbH, and searched for office space in Berlin.
With Oliver’s fantastic work and extraordinary familiarity with the code base, we successfully stabilized the code towards the end of 2016. If we had too many new developers on board at the time, Lisk development would probably have progressed more slowly on an individual basis during that time because they would have to study the code base first, before they can jump deep into coding.
For new developers of an existing code base, it’s easier to study a stable and modular platform, rather than needing to make heavy changes everywhere to make it stable subsequently.
In the future, people will know of the Lisk that was born in December
From everything we have seen, one can conclude that December was the true beginning for Lisk. From this point, our progress accelerated dramatically.
Looking back, we released Lisk v0.5.0 on the 30th November, Lisk Nano v0.1.2 on the 2nd December, Lisk v0.5.1 on the 8th December and Lisk Explorer 1.0.0 on the 12th December.
The lightcurve GmbH, which was started by Oliver and Max to lead the development of Lisk, was also actively hiring simultaneously. Around that time, we hired two freelance developers, one starting in December and another in January. Since then, two more developers have begun working on Lisk as well. Yet one more will be coming “online” in April, with another two are currently in late negotiations to join in. If you do the math, we’ll have seven developers working full-time next month, with a high likelihood of at least nine developers by May.
While our development team is actively growing, we also starting to look for other important positions to fill. For example, we’re evaluating hiring additional contributors for important verticals like legal, marketing, community, documentation, administration and support.
Ramping up communications
Some have also made hay by criticizing our communications to date — and they were right to say so. We were so busy making things happen that we struggled in January to report our progress, but we’ve swiftly learned from our mistakes and have ramped it up for February and for the future. In a short span of time, we have distributed a substantial financial report, published seven blog posts, issued a press release, conducted a 1+ hour long community meeting through a live stream, and maintain a consistent presence on the Lisk.Chat and r/Lisk.
Soon, we will introduce further changes and improvements on the methods with which we communicate and improve how we organize our community. Expect major changes to our forum, added focus on r/Lisk, and reports you’ll find far less boring.
Moving forward
We’ve always maintained a strategy with our employees, freelancers and contributors to ensure they’re not misused or misappropriated for hype. We will treat our advisory board the same way.
We’re currently in the middle of significant change — and it’s been a change for good. Our legal structure is complete and running smoothly, our team is coming together, a positive company culture is being formed, we are working together with important contractors, we’re constantly streamlining our internal and external communications, and our development moves faster than ever before while our products increasingly become better and better.
All the best,
Max Kordek and Oliver Beddows, Lisk Foundation



To whoever is fudding Lightcurve....  If you bothered to watch, red, or attend the last meeting, you would know that Lightcurve has the Law-Firm's blessing, and that's is how it's done in Switzerland. Furthermore, Max & Oliver Supported Lisk directly out-of pocket for an entire year before gaining access to the funds. You waste your time and money.... But we all know you actually did no such thing. -delegate Phoenix
sr. member
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Hi Guys!

After consulting with my lawyers Today I have formally launched a complained with Swiss authorities against Max and Oliver. Lisk is paying huge sums of money to light curve whose beneficial owners are max and Oliver. This is direct violation of Gmbh rules and regulations. I will keep the community posted about the update on the case.


you have, really?

it does seem like an odd arrangement to control a foundation and funnel its money to your own for profit private entity. i think they conveniently neglected to mention it at the time of the ICO. wide open to abuse.


It's probably the legal way for them to transfer ICO money, and there is most likely nothing you can do about it.

but that wasn't what the founders asked the investors to agree to at the ICO. Max and Oliver clearly stated that their reward was to be 4 million lisk each, minimal salaries, and a strictly non profit structure. the addition of the for profit Lightcurve entity which Max and Oliver own privately on a commercial basis is a breach of the agreement.
hero member
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