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sr. member
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Bawga
Sure, you are just jealous here. Someone who failed ICO or someone sold ICO funds at cheap or someone who suppose the project that already sold out ICO funds at cheap.

What should someone possibly be jealous here? Seriously. Its quite the opposite, one could feel compassionate for anyone holding Lisk tightly for the last 10 months.


We discussing here about your words, not about Lisk price. I know it is ATL as BTC. As a legendary, you should know it is also BTC effect. And the solution is need to release good valuable product as SDK. Not payback ICO funds.
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legendary
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Sure, you are just jealous here. Someone who failed ICO or someone sold ICO funds at cheap or someone who suppose the project that already sold out ICO funds at cheap.

What should someone possibly be jealous here? Seriously. Its quite the opposite, one could feel compassionate for anyone holding Lisk tightly for the last 10 months.

sr. member
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Bawga
What was the exact number of btc's lisk raised?

14.000

Thanks, is there a break down how they have manged to use over 3000btc? This shit is going to get milked by them and people are going to sit and cheer them all the way to their German fiat banks.

You missed something. They will liquidate till 10000BTC left. And You can see as their fiat amount.

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Bawga

OK, its not 14k BTC its 10,943.958646 BTC.

That changes not much. You could still payout lets say 5000 BTC as a dividend to LSK holders and would still be able to comfortably run the further development. 

It made no sense Mr.Legendary. No investors will fund more for Lisk if BTC down to $200. It is their luck. Their ICO funds access denied 1yr for legal reasons and BTC rise to $ 1100. And their is no agreement during ICO for this. And they are still using as Lisk development. All are transparency. You are just jealous here. Because other projects that you suppose may be already sold out ICO fund at cheap. If you want that kind of business, you have another project like Iconomi. Buy and wait their dividend.

You mean i am jealous for that i took part in the ICO and sold in average at 0.001 BTC while the price is at the moment at 0.00015?  Grin

Look at your words, then respond for my reply. And point me some ICO who did like you said. The real solution is these funds need to spend well for Lisk development with transparency.


I myself dont hold any Lisk nor do i have any other interest in Lisk.

Sure, you are just jealous here. Someone who failed ICO or someone sold ICO funds at cheap or someone who suppose the project that already sold out ICO funds at cheap.

ImI
legendary
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But okay, you're right with the statement it's possible to make a dividend program.
But what happens if the Bitcoin falls again next year and the financial resources shrink? Should the Holders then return their dividends?

Yes, thats a valid concern. To reduce the risk of a collapsing price of BTC one would have to sell the remaining BTC and keep them in Fiat.

And what about legal aspects - non-profit foundation?

Yes, that's the most crucial part: Would the foundation be able to do something like that under swiss law?

It's all easy to say, but definitely not so easy to make.


Agree. Was just some food for thought.
hero member
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Lisk has 10.9k BTC and you mean, the Foundation can distribute just as 5000 BTC - so simple. Hah

Never said it necessarily going to be simple.

This is for the development of a future project over the next years! Do you really think investors have put money into Lisk, so that Lisk distributes this money again?

Lisk i a perfect example of an overfunded project, especially now since the value of the BTC in custody have risen like x3. I state that for the success (or eventual failure) of this enterprise it makes absolutely ZERO difference if the foundation holds 10.9k BTC or 6k BTC. Having money is one thing bringing all that money to being productive and earning actual positive net-value is a completely different thing. And not necessarily one that equals more money = more success.

Otherwise you could go to some idiot and give him 10m$ and go: Hey make some more money out of that!

But that's obv not how that stuff works.

I myself dont hold any Lisk nor do i have any other interest in Lisk. Just wanted to bring up an idea as i saw someone mentioned a buyback program, which is essentially very similar to paying out a dividend.

Just enriching your little discussion here, thats all, as i am under the impression that most folks in here have zero experience of basic financials and economics.

Overfunded is also just a way of looking, I think.
If an investor has given $ 100,000 during the ICO than not without reason.

I've never seen such a discussion in the Iconomi thread or at Waves or elsewhere, where people say "Please share half of the ICO money again".

But okay, you're right with the statement it's possible to make a dividend program.
But what happens if the Bitcoin falls again next year and the financial resources shrink? Should the Holders then return their dividends?
And what about legal aspects - non-profit foundation?

It's all easy to say, but definitely not so easy to make.
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Unpaid signature.
What was the exact number of btc's lisk raised?

14.000

Thanks, is there a break down how they have manged to use over 3000btc? This shit is going to get milked by them and people are going to sit and cheer them all the way to their German fiat banks.
ImI
legendary
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sr. member
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Unpaid signature.
What was the exact number of btc's lisk raised?
ImI
legendary
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OK, its not 14k BTC its 10,943.958646 BTC.

That changes not much. You could still payout lets say 5000 BTC as a dividend to LSK holders and would still be able to comfortably run the further development. 

It made no sense Mr.Legendary. No investors will fund more for Lisk if BTC down to $200. It is their luck. Their ICO funds access denied 1yr for legal reasons and BTC rise to $ 1100. And their is no agreement during ICO for this. And they are still using as Lisk development. All are transparency. You are just jealous here. Because other projects that you suppose may be already sold out ICO fund at cheap. If you want that kind of business, you have another project like Iconomi. Buy and wait their dividend.

You mean i am jealous for that i took part in the ICO and sold in average at 0.001 BTC while the price is at the moment at 0.00015?  Grin
ImI
legendary
Activity: 1946
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Lisk has 10.9k BTC and you mean, the Foundation can distribute just as 5000 BTC - so simple. Hah

Never said it necessarily going to be simple.

This is for the development of a future project over the next years! Do you really think investors have put money into Lisk, so that Lisk distributes this money again?

Lisk i a perfect example of an overfunded project, especially now since the value of the BTC in custody have risen like x3. I state that for the success (or eventual failure) of this enterprise it makes absolutely ZERO difference if the foundation holds 10.9k BTC or 6k BTC. Having money is one thing bringing all that money to being productive and earning actual positive net-value is a completely different thing. And not necessarily one that equals more money = more success.

Otherwise you could go to some idiot and give him 10m$ and go: Hey make some more money out of that!

But that's obv not how that stuff works.

I myself dont hold any Lisk nor do i have any other interest in Lisk. Just wanted to bring up an idea as i saw someone mentioned a buyback program, which is essentially very similar to paying out a dividend.

Just enriching your little discussion here, thats all, as i am under the impression that most folks in here have zero understanding of basic financials and economics.
sr. member
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Bawga

OK, its not 14k BTC its 10,943.958646 BTC.

That changes not much. You could still payout lets say 5000 BTC as a dividend to LSK holders and would still be able to comfortably run the further development. 

It made no sense Mr.Legendary. No investors will fund more for Lisk if BTC down to $200. It is their luck. Their ICO funds access denied 1yr for legal reasons and BTC rise to $ 1100. And their is no agreement during ICO for this. And they are still using as Lisk development. All are transparency. You are just jealous here. Because other projects that you suppose may be already sold out ICO fund at cheap. If you want that kind of business, you have another project like Iconomi. Buy and wait their dividend.
hero member
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nice observation from breeze

Lisk dpos system definitely need some changes, more people should participate for the same reward and mafia crap like you get money if you vote for me etc should be forbidden. it's shameless corruption i guess corruption in Africa is less visible than this shit that we have.

Lisk devs and community has been thinking about it for a while.
The dpos changes are currently not in top-focus because SDK is more important. But they will come.

https://github.com/LiskHQ/lisk/issues/353
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Theoretically you could also payout some of the BTC in form of a dividend: Every LSK gets xx.xx BTC


Who can pay off BTC

Whoever holds the 14.000 ICO-BTCs.

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why?

Why not? I am sure the Lisk owners would appreciate to get some share of those BTCs paid out. Its highly questionable if those 16mio$ will ever be fully used in a productive and value enhancing way. Also a dividend at date x would definitely support the price of LSK.

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What did you calculate?

What? You want me to calculate how much BTC every LSK would get? Serious? You should be able to do simple math like that by yourself.

I do not know how you get to such amounts.

Here are the facts: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1425

As of the 21st February 2017 at 6:30pm CET, the Lisk Foundation controls the following fiat and cryptocurrency assets for on-going operations and long-term storage:

- 572,377.69 CHF
- 517,653.10 EUR
- 10,943.958646 BTC
- 4,407,448.78 LSK
- 19,863,230,659,049 bytes

Additionally, the Lisk Foundation holds the following assets for bounties and advisers:

- 3,926,049.87211678 LSK (Bounties)
- 771,745.97898046 LSK (Advisers)

I don't see 14k BTC. But I see a good and transparent overview and a description for what that is.
And to the Byteball everything is said so far.


OK, its not 14k BTC its 10,943.958646 BTC.

That changes not much. You could still payout lets say 5000 BTC as a dividend to LSK holders and would still be able to comfortably run the further development. 

Lol
Lisk has 10.9k BTC and you mean, the Foundation can distribute just as 5000 BTC - so simple. Haha
This is for the development of a future project over the next years! Do you really think investors have put money into Lisk, so that Lisk distributes this money again?

sr. member
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Lisk will be #1 alt in 2019.
nice observation from breeze

Lisk dpos system definitely need some changes, more people should participate for the same reward and mafia crap like you get money if you vote for me etc should be forbidden. it's shameless corruption i guess corruption in Africa is less visible than this shit that we have.
ImI
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1019
Theoretically you could also payout some of the BTC in form of a dividend: Every LSK gets xx.xx BTC


Who can pay off BTC

Whoever holds the 14.000 ICO-BTCs.

Quote
why?

Why not? I am sure the Lisk owners would appreciate to get some share of those BTCs paid out. Its highly questionable if those 16mio$ will ever be fully used in a productive and value enhancing way. Also a dividend at date x would definitely support the price of LSK.

Quote
What did you calculate?

What? You want me to calculate how much BTC every LSK would get? Serious? You should be able to do simple math like that by yourself.

I do not know how you get to such amounts.

Here are the facts: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1425

As of the 21st February 2017 at 6:30pm CET, the Lisk Foundation controls the following fiat and cryptocurrency assets for on-going operations and long-term storage:

- 572,377.69 CHF
- 517,653.10 EUR
- 10,943.958646 BTC
- 4,407,448.78 LSK
- 19,863,230,659,049 bytes

Additionally, the Lisk Foundation holds the following assets for bounties and advisers:

- 3,926,049.87211678 LSK (Bounties)
- 771,745.97898046 LSK (Advisers)

I don't see 14k BTC. But I see a good and transparent overview and a description for what that is.
And to the Byteball everything is said so far.


OK, its not 14k BTC its 10,943.958646 BTC.

That changes not much. You could still payout lets say 5000 BTC as a dividend to LSK holders and would still be able to comfortably run the further development. 
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 511
Theoretically you could also payout some of the BTC in form of a dividend: Every LSK gets xx.xx BTC


Who can pay off BTC

Whoever holds the 14.000 ICO-BTCs.

Quote
why?

Why not? I am sure the Lisk owners would appreciate to get some share of those BTCs paid out. Its highly questionable if those 16mio$ will ever be fully used in a productive and value enhancing way. Also a dividend at date x would definitely support the price of LSK.

Quote
What did you calculate?

What? You want me to calculate how much BTC every LSK would get? Serious? You should be able to do simple math like that by yourself.

I do not know how you get to such amounts.

Here are the facts: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1425

As of the 21st February 2017 at 6:30pm CET, the Lisk Foundation controls the following fiat and cryptocurrency assets for on-going operations and long-term storage:

- 572,377.69 CHF
- 517,653.10 EUR
- 10,943.958646 BTC
- 4,407,448.78 LSK
- 19,863,230,659,049 bytes

Additionally, the Lisk Foundation holds the following assets for bounties and advisers:

- 3,926,049.87211678 LSK (Bounties)
- 771,745.97898046 LSK (Advisers)

I don't see 14k BTC. But I see a good and transparent overview and a description for what that is.
And to the Byteball everything is said so far.
ImI
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1019
Theoretically you could also payout some of the BTC in form of a dividend: Every LSK gets xx.xx BTC


Who can pay off BTC

Whoever holds the 14.000 ICO-BTCs.

Quote
why?

Why not? I am sure the Lisk owners would appreciate to get some share of those BTCs paid out. Its highly questionable if those 16mio$ will ever be fully used in a productive and value enhancing way. Also a dividend at date x would definitely support the price of LSK.

Quote
What did you calculate?

What? You want me to calculate how much BTC every LSK would get? Serious? You should be able to do simple math like that by yourself.
hero member
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Merit: 511
Hi,

I'm curious about delegates... And pools.

Is there an explanation somewhere?

Thanks!

Here you'll find a good explanation about the delegates and the forging.

https://github.com/LiskHQ/lisk-wiki/wiki/Delegates-Forging
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Hi,

I'm curious about delegates... And pools.

Is there an explanation somewhere?

Thanks!
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