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johhnyUA

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Crypto for the Crypto Throne!

Quote from: Vega on January 03, 2017, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Max must remove votes from delegates

This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them.

Mr.Vega, it's real world. Rich people become richer, BECAUSE they've bought more than you or delegates. It's real capitalism. Do you want more money from forging? Just buy more LISK Cool

But, if Max and Oliver woting for their cocks*ckers, rich people ask themselves: "Why do we must buy more LISK and holding them, if developer's cocks*kers take all of our profit?"

Quote from: Vega on January 03, 2017, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying.

However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so.

You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do...

You're great attainment for LISK community, but you dont right with your opinion about delegates.

taipei

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Good job, the machine starts to work. Cool

Poly#Crypto

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Vega

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Quote from: damnMscollec on January 03, 2017, 12:02:36 PM

It seems the supply of lisk increases so fastly, the inflation rate is too high... Lisk will be destroyed by dpos scheme.

Sure. huge inflation. No coin were ever successful with such inflaton.

Neuromancer1911

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Quote from: MalReynolds on August 04, 2016, 06:30:27 AM

Quote from: Calabi–Yau Manifold on August 04, 2016, 06:11:15 AM

Mal is still holding ETC as he told at lisk chat. He thinks ETC = 10$ so he holding. I m curious if he will become bagholder or will take small profit set to what he could take at 0.006+, looks like ETC pump loosing hype...

I cashed out all my Lisk (except for mal_dapp_fund) 72 hours ago for 286 BTC (which I bought at ICO for 135 BTC four months ago). If I had done nothing, I would be holding Lisk worth 316 BTC today. Instead, I am now hodling ETC worth 390 BTC. What would you do?

I made 151 BTC profit in Lisk. That took me 4 months because I was hodling Lisk since I truly believe in its tech. Now I've made 74 BTC (unrealized) profit (so far) with ETC in just three days.

Anything could still happen. I have a stop loss in place to bail me out with enough BTC to buy back into Lisk at my original holdings. It would currently take a 20% drop in ETC to hit that stop. But the initial storm is dying down, and ETC / ETH is starting to look more and more like a normal market. Every day ETC survives now, it becomes more and more legitimate. The more legitimate ETC becomes, the more likely its price will at least drift upward to match the price of ETH. Which is $10.

What would you do?

I updated my Lisk testnet node to 0.3.2 last night, that's what I did.

Hello!
Some investors have lost 90% of the deposit.
Explain to them how you are useful for the project.
I do not understand Max.

damnMscollec

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It seems the supply of lisk increases so fastly, the inflation rate is too high... Lisk will be destroyed by dpos scheme.

Vega

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Quote from: X1235 on January 03, 2017, 11:43:15 AM

It's 2017 and the Applications screen is the same ugly shit. What the fuck is wrong with this project?!

This project got a six months delay when it became evident that the Crypti code won't scale up without a large amount of work. So instead of developing the SDK and other stuff needed for apps they spent that time stabilising the core (along with other improvements, if you look at github there were a lot of commits).

So if you want to see apps, you should check back in 4-6 months from now, you'll probably see the beginnings for the ecosystem.

X1235

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It's 2017 and the Applications screen is the same ugly shit. What the fuck is wrong with this project?!

Virtum

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Quote from: MalReynolds on January 03, 2017, 11:19:52 AM

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

Imagine a Lisk future with 100% pool delegates. Soon a Lisk pool delegate has a problem with his node and his pool node goes down (which happens A LOT). Why should he feel any sense of urgency to fix that problem? There's 100 other pool forgers to keep the Lisk blockchain going, and he's not losing any Lisk out of his pocket - somebody else is. So there's no rush to fix that pool node problem. Then another Lisk node goes down. Why should THAT guy feel any urgency to fix HIS problem? There's 99 other....then 98 other...then 97 other...eventually 50 other....maybe 10 other...hey, who's keeping the Lisk blockchain going? And why? And how are they paying for their computers?

You want 101 people to do their damn best to give Lisk forging nodes 100% uptime? Don't vote pool nodes, vote for people who are VERY STONGLY MOTIVATED to fret over Lisk nodes 24/7/365 for their own benefit. You get what you pay for.

Why you are such stupid? If pool node goes down, he in urgent will recover it because he gets a percentage of the forging and its profit depends on it.

Splatters

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Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 11:06:29 AM

Quote from: Vega on January 03, 2017, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Max must remove votes from delegates

This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them.

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying.

However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so.

You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do...

I have bad English and it saves you from me... If you have made something really valuable for Lisk, then let Max will pay you, for your professionally done work. Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk. Lisk needs the best programmers and professionals who will be paid for the done work, all.

Working for the lisk team and be a delegate are two different things. Everybody is free to be a delegate if give the community a reason to vote him, for contribution with lisk or skill in managing a node. Running a delegate is not only about earn lisk, but it's about make the lisk chain secure and functional.
The fact that you can't forge because you're new doesn't mean that nobody have rights forge.
It's like every coin pos or pow, not everybody have skill to mine a coin, and not everybody has a good amount of coin to gain a good stake with pos.
DPOS works with 101 delegate now, but max said that the number could be enlarged. If you like it it's ok, if you don't like it, I can't do nothing to make you change your mind. Lisk is cheap now, buy it and wait for the development that will give lisk huge value.

MalReynolds

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Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

Imagine a Lisk future with 100% pool delegates. Soon a Lisk pool delegate has a problem with his node and his pool node goes down (which happens A LOT). Why should he feel any sense of urgency to fix that problem? There's 100 other pool forgers to keep the Lisk blockchain going, and he's not losing any Lisk out of his pocket - somebody else is. So there's no rush to fix that pool node problem. Then another Lisk node goes down. Why should THAT guy feel any urgency to fix HIS problem? There's 99 other....then 98 other...then 97 other...eventually 50 other....maybe 10 other...hey, who's keeping the Lisk blockchain going? And why? And how are they paying for their computers?

You want 101 people to do their damn best to give Lisk forging nodes 100% uptime? Don't vote pool nodes, vote for people who are VERY STONGLY MOTIVATED to fret over Lisk nodes 24/7/365 for their own benefit. You get what you pay for.

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk.

These are the words of somebody who has never run a Lisk testnet node for months.

Virtum

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Quote from: Vega on January 03, 2017, 10:43:43 AM

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Max must remove votes from delegates

This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them.

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying.

However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so.

You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do...

I have bad English and it saves you from me... If you have made something really valuable for Lisk, then let Max will pay you, for your professionally done work. Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk. Lisk needs the best programmers and professionals who will be paid for the done work, all.

Vega

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Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Max must remove votes from delegates

This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them.

Quote from: Virtum on January 03, 2017, 10:34:16 AM

Only pools must be in delegates.

You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying.

However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so.

You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do...

Virtum

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Only pools must be in delegates. We don't need other delegates. We need a high-end professionals and best programmers, which will be paid from money collected in the ICO, and will implement the roadmap in full. Max must remove votes from delegates

Vega

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Quote from: sidharta on January 03, 2017, 09:59:03 AM

Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month Huh

this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid Cheesy

Do you even know what you are arguing for? If the 101 would be full of pools it would just mean the well know system of the rich getting richter.
The top100 accounts voting would get 80+ percent of the forging rewards, the top 200 would get 90+.
The rest would get very little.

On the other hand currently there is a lot of people forging now who would otherwise see nothing of these profits. And the majority of them doesnt sell it on exchanges, but hold it, donate it, promised it for various funds and planning to funds app development from portions of it.
Additionally it creates a good enviroment of motivated delegates thus making the lisk network more functional and more secure.

So please don't try to claim that the current system is some kind of injustice and the pools are the solution. I pretty sure you didn't do your research nor do you really care. You are only talking the way you do because this would be the only way for you to see some small amount of lisk.

cc001

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Quote from: sidharta on January 03, 2017, 09:59:03 AM

Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month Huh

Because this creates a big competition, which is very good and very needed for the network stability and quality. Because only 101 can become forging delegate, those 12k LSK create a big incentive for delegates to provide top notch quality (powerful servers, good protection, well-thought monitoring tools, big amount of invested time). If a delegate would only earn a few bucks per month, nobody would care about becoming delegate and the network would be much more unstable and vulnerable.
Additionally, the 12k LSK allows the delegates to spend parts of it for pushing app development and supporting the complete Lisk ecosystem.

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Quote from: sidharta on January 03, 2017, 09:59:03 AM

Quote from: corsaro on January 03, 2017, 09:48:45 AM

A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates.

Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month Huh

this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid Cheesy

You can enter lisk chat and read all the activity since feb/mar 2016 of all delegates and the hard work we did and are doing and all our contributions to the development of the community. Probably 12000 lisk each month are too much or too less, i do not know.. but the most important is that 101 delegates voted by the community are doing well the work to keep up this chain (pool or not).

sidharta

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Quote from: corsaro on January 03, 2017, 09:48:45 AM

A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates.

Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month Huh

this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid Cheesy

corsaro

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A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates and dev team.

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