Got my first set of Lisk today.
Let's see how this goes by! In all high hopes
Welcome Let's see how this goes by! In all high hopes
Topic: [ANN][LSK] Lisk | Blockchain Application Platform for JavaScript Developers - page 905. (Read 3074324 times)
June 22, 2016, 08:33:33 PM
June 22, 2016, 08:23:52 PM
Got my first set of Lisk today.
Let's see how this goes by! In all high hopes
Let's see how this goes by! In all high hopes
June 22, 2016, 06:24:06 PM
First of all: The term "DApp" is dead. Please use "Blockchain App" or just "App".
And I don't see that Lisk has to switch from JS to another coding language. Why? If you know what you are doing, you are "safe" as every coder is (no matter what language you are using), if not, better don't write an app. If you don't trust in a app developer, don't give him/her your money. That's it. Just to make it clear: If an app in the Apple store fails, because an app developer did mistakes when coding it, it has NO effect on Apple. I think we can say nearly the same for Lisk. But I am not a core dev and not a app dev, so it's just my view. Proof me wrong.
And I don't see that Lisk has to switch from JS to another coding language. Why? If you know what you are doing, you are "safe" as every coder is (no matter what language you are using), if not, better don't write an app. If you don't trust in a app developer, don't give him/her your money. That's it. Just to make it clear: If an app in the Apple store fails, because an app developer did mistakes when coding it, it has NO effect on Apple. I think we can say nearly the same for Lisk. But I am not a core dev and not a app dev, so it's just my view. Proof me wrong.
This is very true. The platform shouldn't be responsible, the user should. However, due to the inherent nature of people being stupid companies need to go out of their way to spoon feed and hold peoples hands or else people will get mad because they hate blaming themselves for fucking up
June 22, 2016, 05:54:50 PM
stop this Max in suit bulshit. real men do business naked in a sauna! only morons from wall street wear suits... and then they declare bankruptcy
LOL I stand corrected
June 22, 2016, 04:01:35 PM
First of all: The term "DApp" is dead. Please use "Blockchain App" or just "App".
And I don't see that Lisk has to switch from JS to another coding language. Why? If you know what you are doing, you are "safe" as every coder is (no matter what language you are using), if not, better don't write an app. If you don't trust in a app developer, don't give him/her your money. That's it. Just to make it clear: If an app in the Apple store fails, because an app developer did mistakes when coding it, it has NO effect on Apple. I think we can say nearly the same for Lisk. But I am not a core dev and not a app dev, so it's just my view. Proof me wrong.
And I don't see that Lisk has to switch from JS to another coding language. Why? If you know what you are doing, you are "safe" as every coder is (no matter what language you are using), if not, better don't write an app. If you don't trust in a app developer, don't give him/her your money. That's it. Just to make it clear: If an app in the Apple store fails, because an app developer did mistakes when coding it, it has NO effect on Apple. I think we can say nearly the same for Lisk. But I am not a core dev and not a app dev, so it's just my view. Proof me wrong.
June 22, 2016, 03:53:53 PM
@bitfish: What's your point? If someone did a bad job on coding a blockchain app for his sidechain, it's same as if you code a bad website. Some coders are better, others are not. And mostly every website is hackable. So, you better know how to make your blockchain app, website,... safe. But that's not a problem of Lisk. And even if a blockchain app blows up, it won't have an effect on Lisk's mainchain. Only the ONE sidechain has to do a fork (or whatever) to solve the problem, which is no problem in my eyes. It's the same as with websites. Do you blame the hoster, if someone isn't able to secure his dedicated root server and got hacked because of it? Do you blame Apple if your Candy Game doesn't work correctly? No. You blame the website / app developer.
Problem with Javascript based DAPPs is that you can never be sure that your DAPP is error free.
This may be OK if you are writing a beard oil DAPP but you better don't put a million $ into an inherently insecure DAPP.
It doesn't matter whom you have to blame if you lose your money because that DAPP blew up running on main chain or on a side chain.
Building DAPPs using Javascript is like building a racing car using duct tape only. Your system will fall apart.
Lisk devs (and Ethereum devs too) will have to redesign their systems using a safe functional language. If they don't redesign, somebody will fill that market niche.
A must read for smart contract investors and coders:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4opjov/the_bug_which_the_dao_hacker_exploited_was_not/
June 22, 2016, 02:54:10 PM
@bitfish: What's your point? If someone did a bad job on coding a blockchain app for his sidechain, it's same as if you code a bad website. Some coders are better, others are not. And mostly every website is hackable. So, you better know how to make your blockchain app, website,... safe. But that's not a problem of Lisk. And even if a blockchain app blows up, it won't have an effect on Lisk's mainchain. Only the ONE sidechain has to do a fork (or whatever) to solve the problem, which is no problem in my eyes. It's the same as with websites. Do you blame the hoster, if someone isn't able to secure his dedicated root server and got hacked because of it? Do you blame Apple if your Candy Game doesn't work correctly? No. You blame the website / app developer.
thats right. just what i would say.
if a dapp is blowing upp, only the sidechain with be effected, not the mainchain. it's that easy.
So if Lisk will be a succes with Dapps, the sky is the limit.
Lisk sidechain is the solution for a lot off things.
And always that bs off, lisk is for the ppl that missed the eth upprun.. Why you say so? wasnt you there?
I think most off us where in ETH same like me.
If i'm selling ETH to buy Lisk then i did miss the ETH upprun money? Hell no!! its about investing in new things. I would never take the risk off holding a coin like ETH when there are better coins.
I wont say Lisk is better now, but the future off LISK can wipe ETH out off the game. Or they will work side by side. Noone knows..
You don't need to buy Lisk.. Noone is saying that. so if you don't like it just don't buy. You will come back sooner or later i can tell ye.
June 22, 2016, 01:32:45 PM
@bitfish: What's your point? If someone did a bad job on coding a blockchain app for his sidechain, it's same as if you code a bad website. Some coders are better, others are not. And mostly every website is hackable. So, you better know how to make your blockchain app, website,... safe. But that's not a problem of Lisk. And even if a blockchain app blows up, it won't have an effect on Lisk's mainchain. Only the ONE sidechain has to do a fork (or whatever) to solve the problem, which is no problem in my eyes. It's the same as with websites. Do you blame the hoster, if someone isn't able to secure his dedicated root server and got hacked because of it? Do you blame Apple if your Candy Game doesn't work correctly? No. You blame the website / app developer.
June 22, 2016, 01:18:54 PM
What we can do as community for Lisk?
Its a one simple, but very good step.
We can go on different forums where we can find
JavaScript (and other language) developers, and promote Lisk platform there.
Some links:
http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/forum/90-javascript/
http://www.codingforums.com/javascript-programming/
http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?3-JavaScript
https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript
https://forums.digitalpoint.com/forums/javascript.38/
https://www.sitepoint.com/community/c/javascript
http://w3schools.invisionzone.com/index.php?showforum=26
https://www.codeschool.com/discuss/c/javascript
https://acrobatusers.com/forum/javascript/
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?7-JavaScript
http://javascript.ru/forum/
http://forum.mrwebmaster.it/forums/javascript.17/
http://forums.devshed.com/javascript-development-115/
Interesting, I make some search on this forums, and didnt find a single topic
about Lisk... Let's do it!
Its a one simple, but very good step.
We can go on different forums where we can find
JavaScript (and other language) developers, and promote Lisk platform there.
Some links:
http://www.dreamincode.net/forums/forum/90-javascript/
http://www.codingforums.com/javascript-programming/
http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?3-JavaScript
https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript
https://forums.digitalpoint.com/forums/javascript.38/
https://www.sitepoint.com/community/c/javascript
http://w3schools.invisionzone.com/index.php?showforum=26
https://www.codeschool.com/discuss/c/javascript
https://acrobatusers.com/forum/javascript/
http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?7-JavaScript
http://javascript.ru/forum/
http://forum.mrwebmaster.it/forums/javascript.17/
http://forums.devshed.com/javascript-development-115/
Interesting, I make some search on this forums, and didnt find a single topic
about Lisk... Let's do it!
Thanks for the post/ Links
Let's go!
June 22, 2016, 01:12:39 PM
it looks like flood of waves funds incoming to Lisk
It will indeed. Once my LIR and Waves profits come I will be deeper in Lisk. My two favorite projects and shame ther other flopped.
June 22, 2016, 01:02:13 PM
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June 22, 2016, 12:50:24 PM
For all these "Max you need suit!!!111"
Yes but you need to prove yourself before you progress to casual clothing Max hasn't done that yet. When he is a billionaire he can waltz around in his underpants but there is a long way to go yet.
Honestly Max's mode of speech and lack of specificity in many areas does not inspire confidence. He should be doing everything he can to improve his image. Lisk is still a very immature space.
what are you basing that on? Which video? Link?
His communications prior to the ICO and since then. He's very idealistic, which is great and all, but there's not much meat to what he says. Lisk is objectively a young platform. These things don't meant that it will not succeed, just that it is a very risky proposition. I bought in to the ICO for two reasons. I knew that people that missed out on ETH would want to acquire this coin, and the fact that is was predicated on a more broadly used programming language meant that there were minimal barriers to new devs entering the network. I'm very happy that they are getting advisors but now they need to develop a serious and credible vision with a real road map.
I've currently sold most (not all) of my LISK at 5x profit and will consider getting back in if this outfit becomes more professional.
Cryptoland is like the dot com bubble right now. Anyone can get SOME money, but the reaping is coming, and it will ruin a lot of people. The trick is to find the Cisco's and Amazon's of the crypto world, the ones that have a chance of surviving the reaping.
June 22, 2016, 12:44:26 PM
June 22, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
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Ever heard that DAPPs on side chains are blowing up exactly as DAPPs on the main chain?
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Ever heard that DAPPs on side chains are blowing up exactly as DAPPs on the main chain?
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But you don't have to fork the whole chain
June 22, 2016, 12:18:06 PM
Still no news abount China meeting?
June 22, 2016, 12:09:20 PM
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[...] Lisk is still a very immature space.
[...] Lisk is still a very immature space.
Room to grow...
June 22, 2016, 12:08:26 PM
Why my LSK go to floor?
Because Mr. Market has learned through DAO crisis that Javascript based languages are
too insecure
for writing DAPP contracts holding more than toy money. Even highly qualified folks (Lisk can only dream of) didn't find that bug when DAP code was reviewed. Now you can imagine what will happen, when all those Javascript jockeys are starting to code their Lisk DAPPs...: Cracked/hung/orphaned DAPPs en masse. A security nightmare in the making. Would you trust your real money to such an insecure toy setup? It's a real big luck for Lisk that Lisk DAPPs currently cannot blow up. Because there aren't any Lisk DAPPs so far (besides that beard oil DAPP...)
Solution:
Throw out that Javascript junk
Use OCaml https://ocaml.org/
But then Lisk would lose all those "gazillions of Javascript coders" capable of writing (insecure) code.
But 100 devs capable of writing DAPPs in a secure programming language are worth more than a million of Javascript hacks whose DAPPs will blow up .
PS: And forget that BS about those more secure side chains. If a DAPP blows, it doesn't matter if it burns down on the main chain or on a side chain. Your money will be gone.
Ever heard that DAPPs on side chains are blowing up exactly as DAPPs on the main chain?
June 22, 2016, 11:59:10 AM
For all these "Max you need suit!!!111"
Yes but you need to prove yourself before you progress to casual clothing Max hasn't done that yet. When he is a billionaire he can waltz around in his underpants but there is a long way to go yet.
stop this Max in suit bulshit. real men do business naked in a sauna! only morons from wall street wear suits... and then they declare bankruptcy
LOL truth!! Only peeps I know that where suits are douchebags that front like they know everything. In real-life they strivin to make 35k a year. Take that L homie
June 22, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
For all these "Max you need suit!!!111"
Yes but you need to prove yourself before you progress to casual clothing Max hasn't done that yet. When he is a billionaire he can waltz around in his underpants but there is a long way to go yet.
stop this Max in suit bulshit. real men do business naked in a sauna! only morons from wall street wear suits... and then they declare bankruptcy
June 22, 2016, 11:53:06 AM
For all these "Max you need suit!!!111"
Yes but you need to prove yourself before you progress to casual clothing Max hasn't done that yet. When he is a billionaire he can waltz around in his underpants but there is a long way to go yet.
Honestly Max's mode of speech and lack of specificity in many areas does not inspire confidence. He should be doing everything he can to improve his image. Lisk is still a very immature space.
what are you basing that on? Which video? Link?
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