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December 22, 2014, 04:17:20 AM
How much is invested in the crowdfund/ico already? Can't really see it on trex and it's pretty important info.
December 22, 2014, 02:04:39 AM
Just over 24 hours left to invest in noocoin. The info is all there. The OP here, the graphics here, the website, the COA, the roadmap, the whitepaper, the exchange announcement, and the increased rewards for investors, the vetted and verified dev team. This is a very solid investment. If you have been waiting until the final day, the time has arrived. Don't forget to pick some up in the next 24 hours, don't miss out!
December 22, 2014, 01:43:45 AM
Hello MemoryShock,
We appreciate your concerns and would like to address some of them.
We appreciate your concerns and would like to address some of them.
I actually appreciate the entirety of your reply and the thought that went into it. It provides me with a reasonable amount of confidence regarding the conversation. Please note that I am not going to change my opinion on the coin but nor am I here to actively dissuade people. I merely think that I would like to hash out a few points before I move along.
The products are not all stimulants, far from it. Most of the products fall under the ampakine family, specifically racetams. They and are very well tolerated, and none of them can be classified as stimulants. Some of them, such as phenylpiracetam, do produce slight stimulant effects, but the most of their work is done in the background, boosting cognition.
That is not entirely accurate. Pramiracetam is in fact classified as a central nervous system stimulant in addition to the racetam classification.
The research done on Pramiracetam has also been expanded beyond Alzheimer's to diabetes (which highlights the ambiguous nature of our understanding of it) in that it is being implicated as a "protein glycation inhibitor". Glycation is implicated in oxidation and dehydration of cells (this is why nano research is very interesting regarding drug administration; the ability to directly effect the health of cells is potentially mindblowing but that has nothing to do with general digestion of racetams) which, when compounded, results in organ damage...to varying levels over the course of impact before failure (which can be decades but overall physiological distribution of resources is impacted...including inclined cognitive resources).
http://www.google.com/patents/US8686037
Oxiracetam is also included in the above amongst other racetams...which are both included on the front page of the Noohack website. What is also mildly concerning to me is that most of the 'most oft cited' research regarding cognitive benefits of the former is from the late eighties and early nineties...and are based in observed rat functions (if there is a counter to this than I would be appreciative to read).
The overall application of a chemical additive to increase and better the functioning of ones body is a great thing indeed. It is something that I would love to see. There is no arguing that there is a possibility that racetams do increase cognitive focus. But there is no consensus on how that focus manifests nor is there any way to determine how responsible the user is...meaning there is a valid chance that misconception will lead to misuse - it can effect dietary (or is effected by) and activity habits and interrupt the circadian rhythm to an extent that negates the benefits. As well, there is no way to know if it is merely a cellular cleansing or incremental knowledge increase...the former leads to a better physiological feeling which may be misconstrued with increased intelligence and the latter is simple due diligence - research/reading/discussion/sleep/rinse and repeat.
My point is that there is not enough to suggest that these drugs actually work more than a placebo effect...and I really do not want to debate the merits of field testing. I might have to bring up a particular trepanation field test that was recorded to prove the cognitive enhancements from actually drilling a hole in ones skull (there are pictures and after a month of jubilation he regretted it). I'm not saying trepanation and racetams are the same thing but the lack of definitive research regarding the cognitive benefits of racetams are still dubious at best.
Our interest is to create a synergy between cryptocurrency and nootropics. The two markets, from our experience, converge very well. It is the key demographic. Of course we have an interest here. We are running a business! Given that, we would not and could not succeed if we were not to take the necessary precautions here. We are offering the cryptocurrency community an insight into the cognitive enhancement world that is evolving around us.
We are fully acceptant of your negative connotations towards pharmaceutical medicines, especially Ritalin, the well known dopamine reuptake inhibitor, neurotoxic, addictive, and over-prescribed medication. Sorry to hear about your encounter.
In the next day or so we will be uploading a lot more information in regards to the science behind the products we are selling. These will be seen on the product pages along with updated here.
Regards
The NooHack Team
We are fully acceptant of your negative connotations towards pharmaceutical medicines, especially Ritalin, the well known dopamine reuptake inhibitor, neurotoxic, addictive, and over-prescribed medication. Sorry to hear about your encounter.
In the next day or so we will be uploading a lot more information in regards to the science behind the products we are selling. These will be seen on the product pages along with updated here.
Regards
The NooHack Team
Your response was well received and pointed to some relevant aspects of my original post. I am not going to reinforce the unanswered portions specifically because I am not here to create a 'FUD atmosphere' though I feel that they are very relevant...however, I think that maintaining talking points and not broadening the discussion to include the specifics of scientific research, when they occurred, by whom they were performed by, et cetera is more conducive to a business attention than it is for the benefit of people...and on that note, placebos have been known to work.
December 22, 2014, 01:31:22 AM
Great road map for the coin, investors will be very happy
December 22, 2014, 12:20:21 AM
Hello MemoryShock,
We appreciate your concerns and would like to address some of them.
The products are not all stimulants, far from it. Most of the products fall under the ampakine family, specifically racetams. They and are very well tolerated, and none of them can be classified as true stimulants. Some of them, such as phenylpiracetam, do produce slight CNS stimulant effects, but the most of their work is done in the background, boosting cognition.
Another product, Phenibut, is in-fact a sleep aid and a muscle relaxant that has reported anxiotic use.
The one product that is a stimulant is Adrafinil, but unlike classic stimulants such as ritalin, Adrafinil doesn't work on dopamine receptors, and as such doesn't cause the associated neurotoxicity.
Then we have Alpha-GPC, a choline source that we all produce naturally. The reason we sell Alpha-GPC however, is due to the action of the racetam family. They use a neurotransmitter known as acetylcholine which is linked to memory. It is beneficial to the user to keep an intake of choline due to this mechanism of action (choline can be found in eggs, fish, and even turkey!). Alpha-GPC is just the most efficient source in regards to crossing the blood–brain barrier, replenishing at a faster rate.
We have taken care to choose these products due to their safety. However as stated on our site, their are two products that come with warnings: Phenibut and Adrafinil. The warnings are regarding overuse of the supplements, which of course is never a good idea. Due diligence is always recommended to our buyers. It is of course it is in our best interest as a company to ensure the safe use of our products. This is a priority.
In regards to their true benefits, you of course have a point. Everybody reacts differently to compounds, and these products are no different. The effects stated can however be backed up by in-vivo studies into the compounds. There is also a climbing number of people consuming these compounds, leading to many reports and logs regarding their effects.
One must remember, as you stated, that these are not FDA approved compounds, hence our ability to sell them in the manner that we are. It is therefore in the buyers best interest to carry out research into these compounds before buying.
Our interest is to create a synergy between cryptocurrency and nootropics. The two markets, from our experience, converge very well. It is the key demographic. Of course we have an interest here. We are running a business! Given that, we would not and could not succeed if we were not to take the necessary precautions here. We are offering the cryptocurrency community an insight into the cognitive enhancement world that is evolving around us.
We are fully acceptant of your negative connotations towards pharmaceutical medicines, especially Ritalin, the well known dopamine reuptake inhibitor, neurotoxic, addictive, and over-prescribed medication. We understand that, at this point, this might not be the market for you.
In the next day or so we will be uploading a lot more information in regards to the science behind the products we are selling. These will be seen on the product pages along with updated here.
Regards
The NooHack Team
We appreciate your concerns and would like to address some of them.
In fact, a simple amount of research into all of the drugs will show that all of them are not approved by the FDA (admittedly, the FDA is bought and paid for so I'll take that with a mild grain of salt) but more importantly that they are all stimulants. They are all involved in research and there can be no true assertions regarding their benefits (There are times when switching to a work brewed coffee instead of the Red Bull that I have consumed for a period of three weeks results in noticable physiological changes; it is actually an argument that the modus of delivery of a stimulant (differently brewed coffees, energy drinks) is more important than the actual ingredient.
The products are not all stimulants, far from it. Most of the products fall under the ampakine family, specifically racetams. They and are very well tolerated, and none of them can be classified as true stimulants. Some of them, such as phenylpiracetam, do produce slight CNS stimulant effects, but the most of their work is done in the background, boosting cognition.
Another product, Phenibut, is in-fact a sleep aid and a muscle relaxant that has reported anxiotic use.
The one product that is a stimulant is Adrafinil, but unlike classic stimulants such as ritalin, Adrafinil doesn't work on dopamine receptors, and as such doesn't cause the associated neurotoxicity.
Then we have Alpha-GPC, a choline source that we all produce naturally. The reason we sell Alpha-GPC however, is due to the action of the racetam family. They use a neurotransmitter known as acetylcholine which is linked to memory. It is beneficial to the user to keep an intake of choline due to this mechanism of action (choline can be found in eggs, fish, and even turkey!). Alpha-GPC is just the most efficient source in regards to crossing the blood–brain barrier, replenishing at a faster rate.
We have taken care to choose these products due to their safety. However as stated on our site, their are two products that come with warnings: Phenibut and Adrafinil. The warnings are regarding overuse of the supplements, which of course is never a good idea. Due diligence is always recommended to our buyers. It is of course it is in our best interest as a company to ensure the safe use of our products. This is a priority.
In regards to their true benefits, you of course have a point. Everybody reacts differently to compounds, and these products are no different. The effects stated can however be backed up by in-vivo studies into the compounds. There is also a climbing number of people consuming these compounds, leading to many reports and logs regarding their effects.
One must remember, as you stated, that these are not FDA approved compounds, hence our ability to sell them in the manner that we are. It is therefore in the buyers best interest to carry out research into these compounds before buying.
Now, I know that the people involved probably mean well. But it can not be stated that they aren't here to make money and as well it can not be stated that there is any kind of relevant medical representation involved with this product or the coin that is intended to market it. In fact, a simple amount of research into all of the drugs will show that all of them are not approved by the FDA (admittedly, the FDA is bought and paid for so I'll take that with a mild grain of salt) but more importantly that they are all stimulants. They are all involved in research and there can be no true assertions regarding their benefits (There are times when switching to a work brewed coffee instead of the Red Bull that I have consumed for a period of three weeks results in noticable physiological changes; it is actually an argument that the modus of delivery of a stimulant (differently brewed coffees, energy drinks) is more important than the actual ingredient.
But that is another part of the problem I have that would take long discussions. Which I am down for.
It should be noted that I have a major problem with people selling drugs to people who don't need them (I have family who was mis-prescribed ritalin for non existant ADHD).
I just think that there might be an issue with the interests of the sellers here and the benefits that one can expect from the product. Increased cognitive ability, even in the short (which can be gained from a number of factors) is not going to replace knowledcge and experience. It might make you more reactive to patterns (which might be valuable to some in this industry) but it's not going to make you more intelligent.
Not buying this one and am waiting for counter arguments.
But that is another part of the problem I have that would take long discussions. Which I am down for.
It should be noted that I have a major problem with people selling drugs to people who don't need them (I have family who was mis-prescribed ritalin for non existant ADHD).
I just think that there might be an issue with the interests of the sellers here and the benefits that one can expect from the product. Increased cognitive ability, even in the short (which can be gained from a number of factors) is not going to replace knowledcge and experience. It might make you more reactive to patterns (which might be valuable to some in this industry) but it's not going to make you more intelligent.
Not buying this one and am waiting for counter arguments.
Our interest is to create a synergy between cryptocurrency and nootropics. The two markets, from our experience, converge very well. It is the key demographic. Of course we have an interest here. We are running a business! Given that, we would not and could not succeed if we were not to take the necessary precautions here. We are offering the cryptocurrency community an insight into the cognitive enhancement world that is evolving around us.
We are fully acceptant of your negative connotations towards pharmaceutical medicines, especially Ritalin, the well known dopamine reuptake inhibitor, neurotoxic, addictive, and over-prescribed medication. We understand that, at this point, this might not be the market for you.
In the next day or so we will be uploading a lot more information in regards to the science behind the products we are selling. These will be seen on the product pages along with updated here.
Regards
The NooHack Team
December 21, 2014, 11:04:57 PM
how much time left until ico ends?
It ends in just over 24 hours. 23.59pm PST 22nd
December 21, 2014, 10:31:36 PM
I'm not sure I am thinking that this venture is anything more than Dr. Oz on steroids.
For one, reading the bios of the three featured individuals on the Noohack webpage shows three people.
One, a crypto technologist. Fair enough. Need one of those if one wants to launch a crypto.
Two, a Marketing expert. Now this is where I am starting to wonder. The pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money on marketing and in many cases the marketing is geared towards drugs that have been rushed through the approval process by pharma lobbyists in order to insure a return on their R&D. In many cases, these drugs are fraught with scandal and/or are supplanted by alternative drugs who are just as unproven.
The amount of money spent on marketing is huge. $27 billion.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/fact-sheets/2013/11/11/persuading-the-prescribers-pharmaceutical-industry-marketing-and-its-influence-on-physicians-and-patients
Now, there is a discrepancy in the reports regarding how much the industry spends on advertising vs research. It is certainly true that many of the estimates regarding the amount of money spent on R&D (some place it at twice the amount of R&D while others place it at something more like half with exact numbers failing in both cases to account for research spending that includes medical devices).
My point is that marketing seems to be a key component of any kind of drug and there is reason to believe that the marketing interests outweigh the science...which is a huge concern to me regarding this coin. I don't really care how stout the blockchain is or what kind of 2.0 features are included if the product is sketchy - and it is. But a little more on that later.
Three, No offense, but there are many people "whose interests include [fill in the blank]". Further, there are many people who have field tested many things but that does not necessarily mean that there is any scientific efficacy. In fact, quite the opposite since there seems to be an implicit bias just for listed on the website. Again, no offense to Mr. Fox, but there is nothing included in that bio that gives any kind of reasonable indication that he should be considered of any kind of authority on this topic.
Now, I know that the people involved probably mean well. But it can not be stated that they aren't here to make money and as well it can not be stated that there is any kind of relevant medical representation involved with this product or the coin that is intended to market it. In fact, a simple amount of research into all of the drugs will show that all of them are not approved by the FDA (admittedly, the FDA is bought and paid for so I'll take that with a mild grain of salt) but more importantly that they are all stimulants. They are all involved in research and there can be no true assertions regarding their benefits (There are times when switching to a work brewed coffee instead of the Red Bull that I have consumed for a period of three weeks results in noticable physiological changes; it is actually an argument that the modus of delivery of a stimulant (differently brewed coffees, energy drinks) is more important than the actual ingredient.
But that is another part of the problem I have that would take long discussions. Which I am down for.
It should be noted that I have a major problem with people selling drugs to people who don't need them (I have family who was mis-prescribed ritalin for non existant ADHD).
I just think that there might be an issue with the interests of the sellers here and the benefits that one can expect from the product. Increased cognitive ability, even in the short (which can be gained from a number of factors) is not going to replace knowledcge and experience. It might make you more reactive to patterns (which might be valuable to some in this industry) but it's not going to make you more intelligent.
Not buying this one and am waiting for counter arguments.
For one, reading the bios of the three featured individuals on the Noohack webpage shows three people.
One, a crypto technologist. Fair enough. Need one of those if one wants to launch a crypto.
Two, a Marketing expert. Now this is where I am starting to wonder. The pharmaceutical companies spend a lot of money on marketing and in many cases the marketing is geared towards drugs that have been rushed through the approval process by pharma lobbyists in order to insure a return on their R&D. In many cases, these drugs are fraught with scandal and/or are supplanted by alternative drugs who are just as unproven.
The amount of money spent on marketing is huge. $27 billion.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/fact-sheets/2013/11/11/persuading-the-prescribers-pharmaceutical-industry-marketing-and-its-influence-on-physicians-and-patients
Now, there is a discrepancy in the reports regarding how much the industry spends on advertising vs research. It is certainly true that many of the estimates regarding the amount of money spent on R&D (some place it at twice the amount of R&D while others place it at something more like half with exact numbers failing in both cases to account for research spending that includes medical devices).
My point is that marketing seems to be a key component of any kind of drug and there is reason to believe that the marketing interests outweigh the science...which is a huge concern to me regarding this coin. I don't really care how stout the blockchain is or what kind of 2.0 features are included if the product is sketchy - and it is. But a little more on that later.
Three, No offense, but there are many people "whose interests include [fill in the blank]". Further, there are many people who have field tested many things but that does not necessarily mean that there is any scientific efficacy. In fact, quite the opposite since there seems to be an implicit bias just for listed on the website. Again, no offense to Mr. Fox, but there is nothing included in that bio that gives any kind of reasonable indication that he should be considered of any kind of authority on this topic.
Now, I know that the people involved probably mean well. But it can not be stated that they aren't here to make money and as well it can not be stated that there is any kind of relevant medical representation involved with this product or the coin that is intended to market it. In fact, a simple amount of research into all of the drugs will show that all of them are not approved by the FDA (admittedly, the FDA is bought and paid for so I'll take that with a mild grain of salt) but more importantly that they are all stimulants. They are all involved in research and there can be no true assertions regarding their benefits (There are times when switching to a work brewed coffee instead of the Red Bull that I have consumed for a period of three weeks results in noticable physiological changes; it is actually an argument that the modus of delivery of a stimulant (differently brewed coffees, energy drinks) is more important than the actual ingredient.
But that is another part of the problem I have that would take long discussions. Which I am down for.
It should be noted that I have a major problem with people selling drugs to people who don't need them (I have family who was mis-prescribed ritalin for non existant ADHD).
I just think that there might be an issue with the interests of the sellers here and the benefits that one can expect from the product. Increased cognitive ability, even in the short (which can be gained from a number of factors) is not going to replace knowledcge and experience. It might make you more reactive to patterns (which might be valuable to some in this industry) but it's not going to make you more intelligent.
Not buying this one and am waiting for counter arguments.
December 21, 2014, 10:09:09 PM
how much time left until ico ends?
December 21, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
To be honest, the coin seems quite "real" which is a rare thing in the altcoin community.
I must be getting soft, after seeing scam after scam, I actually invested in this ICO. I'm still not sure why, guess I figured what the hell. Guess I'm hoping there is still good in this cesspool of ALTCOINS.
December 21, 2014, 09:30:19 PM
NooHack Updates and Announcements
Thanks for the really good feedback and response after launching our CFC.
Obviously there has been some constructive criticism which we really appreciate and we've had plenty of internal discussions on how to try and look at each issue that is raised.
- COA's from the supplier have been uploaded. https://mega.co.nz/#F!ZR51VDiZ!Y6kSBC6_aRug-E-jsvLS-w
- We have launched our own forum which will be a point of discussion for not just users on this forum, but also from Nootropics users and other customers at our website.
- We are excited to announce the Noo Exchange Fair-Share Value System, a service product which will allow users to trade NOO / BTC and other NOO trading pairs directly at NooHack. This will be an exchange that rewards NooCoin owners who deposit their coins on our exchange.
At our exchange, we will be working with some fiat gateways to allow the direct purchase of NOO for fiat currencies. Simply depositing your NOO onto the exchange will give you an interest payment.
More information regarding this feature can be found in our Noo Exchange white paper found HERE
- Finally, we shall be releasing an Infomercial video Sunday night which is is a fun introduction to our brand, business and coin!
Thank you all for following and supporting our project. As we move forward, we will continue to post our updates on here, as well as our usual social media channels.
If you haven't followed already, we will be updating our progress at our usual social media channels at the links below.
Great work Dev, nice
December 21, 2014, 09:28:45 PM
To be honest, the coin seems quite "real" which is a rare thing in the altcoin community.
December 21, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Still about 28 hours left in the ICO. Many ICO do 3/4 or more of their sales in the final 24 hours. People like to keep their BTC liquid as long as possible, and there is nothing wrong with that.
This is a legitimate company with a real, legal product, and a great plan to give investors additional rewards. It's continued to deliver additional features daily throughout, and more are incoming. It's a solid investment. I encourage those of you who are waiting to the last moment to invest, to do so. This is the real thing.
This is a legitimate company with a real, legal product, and a great plan to give investors additional rewards. It's continued to deliver additional features daily throughout, and more are incoming. It's a solid investment. I encourage those of you who are waiting to the last moment to invest, to do so. This is the real thing.
December 21, 2014, 07:21:09 PM
So if the ICO doesn't raise at least 100 BTC the coin is a non starter? Looks like only 28.5 BTC has been raised so far.
Seems like it, but still some time left. I've often seen most buying take place in the closing hours.
The new content (infograhpic and articles) is great to see alongside the COA's. Btw, good choice on opening a forum too Noohack!
Thank you, we will be populating the forums with content shortly, along with adding blogs to keep everyone up to date on progress!
December 21, 2014, 06:08:44 PM
So if the ICO doesn't raise at least 100 BTC the coin is a non starter? Looks like only 28.5 BTC has been raised so far.
Seems like it, but still some time left. I've often seen most buying take place in the closing hours.
The new content (infograhpic and articles) is great to see alongside the COA's. Btw, good choice on opening a forum too Noohack!
December 21, 2014, 06:05:34 PM
I made a countdown timer here: http://www.webcountdown.net/?a=CoFsq3F&k=bzs6
What time does the ICO officially end?
According to bittrex it ends : Dec 22nd, 2014 at 23:59:59 PST
Is the ICO going to be canceled since it doesn't look like the 100 BTC will be met?
What time does the ICO officially end?
December 21, 2014, 05:45:42 PM
So if the ICO doesn't raise at least 100 BTC the coin is a non starter? Looks like only 28.5 BTC has been raised so far.
December 21, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
Is the ICO going to be canceled since it doesn't look like the 100 BTC will be met?
What time does the ICO officially end?
December 21, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Is the ICO going to be canceled since it doesn't look like the 100 BTC will be met?
What time does the ICO officially end?
December 21, 2014, 04:33:04 PM
I took the time to read every post on this thread and make my own personal researches.
Your project seems solid and i'm really interested to invest in it but i want to ask you something.
Are you already (or plan to) selling your products somewhere else than bitcointalk ?
Is it possible to know more details about your marketing strategy ?
Thanx in advance
Your project seems solid and i'm really interested to invest in it but i want to ask you something.
Are you already (or plan to) selling your products somewhere else than bitcointalk ?
Is it possible to know more details about your marketing strategy ?
Thanx in advance
Thank you for your interest and support.
In terms of marketing, we will be working with many news websites in the crypto-community to deliver some good information through articles. Some really good articles have already started appearing which is really good! Of course, the products and the business scope are much larger than just crypto alone, and we fully intend to bring our unique way of selling these products to members of the nootropics community outside of crypto. Nootropics are only beginning to really make an impact, anyone who already take nootropics will certainly agree and that everyone else is missing out.
Our marketing on BitcoinTalk is really just a means to keep our communication channel open to the crypto community. It isn't limited to or even the only medium which we conduct marketing on.
If you have any specific questions, please do give me a message and we can discuss further details directly.
December 21, 2014, 04:02:12 PM
I took the time to read every post on this thread and make my own personal researches.
Your project seems solid and i'm really interested to invest in it but i want to ask you something.
Are you already (or plan to) selling your products somewhere else than bitcointalk ?
Is it possible to know more details about your marketing strategy ?
Thanx in advance
Your project seems solid and i'm really interested to invest in it but i want to ask you something.
Are you already (or plan to) selling your products somewhere else than bitcointalk ?
Is it possible to know more details about your marketing strategy ?
Thanx in advance
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