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Topic: [ANN][OC] Orangecoin ★★ POS ★★ Anon Transactions ★★ Masternodes - page 88. (Read 209551 times)

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Ok $5/month is to use the equipment, so that is the cost.

And like I have said your right the community has a voice and we need to revisit the numbers like you have pointed out.

Ok no hardware needed. Important point to me.

Is just a setup necessary without checkin a few times a day ?

If so I will setup a few masternodes  Grin

Well yes this is one of the benefits to getting amazon or digital ocean. They have the servers in their buildings, with battery back-ups and cooling....

Yes it's for the most part as easy as setting it up, loading the program, closing all the nodes but node 9999 and letting her run.

There are a few steps in there but you get the gist.

Like we said earlier we will put together a nice setup instruction guide for you all.
hero member
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Ok $5/month is to use the equipment, so that is the cost.

And like I have said your right the community has a voice and we need to revisit the numbers like you have pointed out.

Ok no hardware needed. Important point to me.

Is just a setup necessary without checkin a few times a day ?

If so I will setup a few masternodes  Grin
legendary
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Kaspa
great discussion guys, numbers have deff never been my strong suit lol much too many concussions. I definitely get the concept and see how much changing one number in the formula ripple effects through the rest of the coins. thanks for posting all the info for us.

so I guess the main points are... what numbers are going to make the network as stable and secure as possible without negatively effecting the coin holders pos % or coin volume... and provide a little bit of profit to make it worth while for the MN owners.  lol and I know I'm not a tech/number wiz like you guys seem to be (very impressed Halo) So I'll gladly step back and let you guys discuss it more. If the community is happy, then I'm happy.

and yes I was hope'n the price was still hanging over 600 when I woke up today, but we'll gain that ground back in no time, could have been that people hear "update" and they thought "client update" thinking that it was all done and ready to be implemented already. and also could have a lot to do with other coin hype and the lovely volatility off the markets... news/hype comes out about a diff coin and people flock over to buy it and slows down other coins, so probably just a little hiccup Wink

awesome work everyone, new exchange (great comments left on their thread lol they had to add us), awesome tech discussion. I'll try to get some btc's for testing out trading on the new exchange as soon as I can Wink


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For sure!! In the end we are doing this for you guys and the coins future!! We want to hear what you guys all have to say. This is a big change no matter how it's done, no 2 dev's could possibly think of it all. And that's where the great community comes and help to look through it all with us.

And there could be options or things we didn't think of, so please community, do your research on masternodes and the OC economics!  Ask questions if you don't know or understand something! Tell us what you think!! OC future is dependent on you!



Great point!! I should have put this out there before. If you do have something you want to ask me but don't want to put it out there for the whole world to see, please just PM me. If I feel like there may be something in the PM that the group can benifit from. I will keep who privet, but I will post the info so others can learn as well, hearing from someone still learning helps me teach the group.
hero member
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For sure!! In the end we are doing this for you guys and the coins future!! We want to hear what you guys all have to say. This is a big change no matter how it's done, no 2 dev's could possibly think of it all. And that's where the great community comes and help to look through it all with us.

And there could be options or things we didn't think of, so please community, do your research on masternodes and the OC economics!  Ask questions if you don't know or understand something! Tell us what you think!! OC future is dependent on you!



It is good to know that holders and investors opinions are directly involved in the creation process.

Thanks for clearing up the things. Feel much better now with this knowledgment and new experience from today.
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Thank you guys!! I felt with the big news today. It was a good time to have a presents, to help with questions. I'm very excited about Orangcoin!!
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@halofirebtc
For sure!! In the end we are doing this for you guys and the coins future!! We want to hear what you guys all have to say. This is a big change no matter how it's done, no 2 dev's could possibly think of it all. And that's where the great community comes and help to look through it all with us.

And there could be options or things we didn't think of, so please community, do your research on masternodes and the OC economics!  Ask questions if you don't know or understand something! Tell us what you think!! OC future is dependent on you!

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 Grin  Welcome to the two 2 new devs  Grin Nice to have you on OC board  Grin
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For sure!! In the end we are doing this for you guys and the coins future!! We want to hear what you guys all have to say. This is a big change no matter how it's done, no 2 dev's could possibly think of it all. And that's where the great community comes and help to look through it all with us.
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@halofirebtc
Ok $5/month is to use the equipment, so that is the cost.

And like I have said your right the community has a voice and we need to revisit the numbers like you have pointed out.


Thanks for listening!

I'm not trying to fight you guys, just presenting what I've been thinking about, making sure I covered everything and what other community members have voiced to me. It's a lot, so I'm voicing everything to you guys to make sure I covered it all. Sorry for redundancies. Grin Grin
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Ok $5/month is to use the equipment, so that is the cost.

And like I have said your right the community has a voice and we need to revisit the numbers like you have pointed out.
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@halofirebtc
Another thought, how will masternodes get paid once the cap is reached? A portion of the transaction fees with remainder given to the stakers since PoS won‘t be paying a set amount?
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@halofirebtc
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Don't forget that you can buy/sell some Orangecoin on the new exchange Kingcoiny right there > https://www.kingcoiny.com/index.php?page=trade&market=18

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Yes this chart was just showing how we came up with the numbers. The reason "E" was said to be a % was because "E" is going to take a % away from the PoS reward.

Yes only 11 months left, we are still working through how to merge the masternode start times. We either start the masternodes 1 month (depending when) behind. Or we add the 100k Orangcoins, the masternodes would have made in the first month to the final amount of coins.

Another thing, this clearly re-arranges the economics of the coin, no matter what scenario. Here are the scenarios.
A: take the MN payouts from the original specs which hurts every investors PoS returns.
B: shorten the time period of PoS minting to, say, 40 years, which the 6 years of minting would be released faster into circulation but everyone still gets what the original specs stated for investors. The actual coins/time period would reflect the MN payout schedule of 2% so it might not even be 6 years, it would be less. 2% of 200 million is 4 million coins, and it isn't enough.
C: add the MN payouts to the total coin cap, for total cap 204 million coins. Still isn't enough... increase cap to 220 million over 46 years and devote the 20 million to the MN

B and C are less detrimental to the investors, and the model might be why price is suffering. 2000 OC is not very much per node and the price would have to rise substantially for the interest earned plus profits to make $5 per month to cover fees. People were buying large amounts to cover the requirements, and now that requirements are so low, ppl are selling large amounts.

Since this affects all OC holders, it should be decided in a vote, not centralized around the 2 devs working on this. The whole point of MN is decentralizing the nodes and anon comes from that. Not trying to start trouble, but I'm here for the community as well.

Also, my numbers are just thrown out there as examples, not based on any calculations.

Afterthought: cutting the 2.5% pos after year 5 down to 1-1.5% has reduced income earned for stakers by 50%. It's 4% for 2% on 20%.


Your 100% correct, you are all stake holders and doing this anyway will change things no matter what. This is part of the reason we spent so much time working through the numbers before posting Proposed numbers. It is also why we decided to post the math behind the numbers rather then just posting a set of numbers. Everything you brought up, we also brought up and more in our many conversations leading up to today. We will revisit evrything you brought up about "re-arranging the economics."

I do need to point out the reason we went with the 2000 OC as it relates to price. We have already said that the higher the amount the more pulled out of circulation, however it has something to do with price as well.

It is really the opposite of what your thought is, I know it was a surprise to me as well. Here lets say the avg. person wanting to start a masternode and they need to go buy the amount of coins to open one. Lets just for an example say they want to spend $400 on that amount.

Using that number lets play out 2 diffrent examples, one with MN req at 10,000 OC and one with 2,000 OC.

10,000 coins for $400 = $0.04/coin
2,000   coins for $400 = $0.20/coin

So to earn the $5/ month fee for the server, at $0.04 = 125 coin and at $0.20 = 25 coin

So with high coin amount req. it lowers the price per coin, increases the amount of coins needed to be paid out and takes more coins out of circulation.

It may take a little time but you must understand that masternodes will raise the price of the coin.

Unfortunately you are probably right, there was a few reasons for a few bigger dumps today. I'm sure a few people saw that masternodes may be a little to tech for them. Which will not be the case once they see the instruction guides I believe. I was also worried about people not aware of the Static IP for multiple Masternodes on 1 server. Then there was some people thinking the req amount would be higher. This was part of why we wanted to do the masternode release in stages. To get people info ASAP and let the not so tech people feel more comfortable with setting one up.
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@halofirebtc
Ok, I've been asked "what is a masternode?". I'll try to explain, but I don't have 100% of the concept yet, feel free to correct me where I may be wrong.


To know what a master node is, you have to know what a regular node is. A regular node is a computer that serves as a blockchain dispensary, where you can download the blockchain from and where miners get the info to mine (check transactions). The nodes issue the blocks to us when mining or staking or for other features that issue blocks. Wallets are ledger keepers, Miners are ledger checkers, and Nodes are the issuer of the blocks.

A master node is a permanently selected computer (server?) that stays online and get paid for (a form of) staking. I'm not exactly sure how this works because I have no "hand's on" experience in this department. Master nodes require a certain amount of coin determined by the code and/or dev, to be invested for long periods on time, which I think is the same as a longer staking time like when you can't access your coins when your coins are staking. Master nodes require that you have DDOS protection, you will be targeted for an attack at some point. If the dev's are 'hosting' the Masternodes for a fee, we wouldn't need to worry about if we need equipment or ddos, but then is more centralized. Masternodes are supposed to be a more more decentralized version of the few 'selected' regular nodes, this is how I think the anonymous feature works in respect like what Bitorrent did for Napster.
 
Masternodes require a little bit of luck to be paid. Master nodes need to be selected to by the miners sending back the info of checking transactions for the masternodes to issue a block. More masternodes, the harder it is to get picked. When your masternode gets picked, that's when you get paid.

Again, I'm sorry if I don't have the concept down to a science yet like how I know the other features of this coin like the back of my hand, and please please please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't like to mis-inform people.
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 Orangecoin are you still making another announcement today ?
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