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Topic: [ANNOUNCE] Ixcoin - a new Bitcoin fork - page 35. (Read 128451 times)

hero member
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August 11, 2011, 01:26:00 AM
Is it really good for the general virtual currency economy as a whole to have this?

I thought one of the fundamental characteristics of Bitcoin was the deflationary aspect, being a limited supply. If we just keep adding alternative currencies for no better purpose than having an alternative, doesn't it the same as printing more paper money?

The way I see it, miners will mine Currency A until it becomes too difficult, and due to the market size, there isn't enough transaction fees to sustain mining. So bulk of them then switch to Currency B. Now nobody can use Currency A because difficulty A is too high for blocks to get processed efficiently and time to next correction is 2 years down the road. Ditto Currency B and new Currency C, ad nauseum.


Well it's happening, so that's our brave new world.
If a currency is weak in some way then people won't be interested in it.
Bitcoins difficulty can go down as well as up - if no one is mining bitcoin then it will become easier to mine bitcoin thus attracting miners, who will raise the difficulty again (that's exactly what happened this month - the next difficulty is less than the current difficulty).

Difficulty       1,890,362
Next Difficulty    1,868,794


http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 11, 2011, 01:20:52 AM
I guess ixcoin was getting too much attention on the general discussion board. Now it has been moved =). Wow `13 pages of discussion in the first 18 hours of posting? LOL

hero member
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August 11, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
How are clonecoins not inflationary?

cloneCoins can be built on any model you want - the model will be tested by the market (inflationary or otherwise). As long as they are digital then they can be exchanged easily. Even centralized digital currencies would have to compete. Our money would always move to the strongest currency at any time.
Infact the more competing digital currencies there are the easier it will be for us to find a safe haven for our stored value. Exchange just needs to be quick and simple (ideally, invisible for the average user).
newbie
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August 11, 2011, 01:16:38 AM
Is it really good for the general virtual currency economy as a whole to have this?

I thought one of the fundamental characteristics of Bitcoin was the deflationary aspect, being a limited supply. If we just keep adding alternative currencies for no better purpose than having an alternative, doesn't it the same as printing more paper money?

The way I see it, miners will mine Currency A until it becomes too difficult, and due to the market size, there isn't enough transaction fees to sustain mining. So bulk of them then switch to Currency B. Now nobody can use Currency A because difficulty A is too high for blocks to get processed efficiently and time to next correction is 2 years down the road. Ditto Currency B and new Currency C, ad nauseum.
full member
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August 11, 2011, 01:14:19 AM
And the rally starts ;-)

Bitparking IXC exchange:
Last Price:   0.00080000    
High:   0.00400000    
Low:   0.00020000    
Volume: 1884.50000000
legendary
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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
August 11, 2011, 12:42:04 AM
Exactly how would that work?
It's not difficult in principle. Exchanges could advertise a particular exchange rate between two known currencies, then another client could accept that offer. The exchange would then present a signed contract "You send X bitcoins to Y address by time T, and I'll send Z namecoins to address Q (with backup address R)."

The client accepts the contract by validating the terms and the exchange's signature and then funding. The exchange then completes the deal.

If an exchange cheats a client, the client has proof. If a client funds late, the exchange refunds to the backup address.

The biggest problem I see is a client holding onto a contract and then deciding whether to fund it based on movements of the market. There are a lot of ways to fix this. For example, you could have contracts that always permit the exchange to just refund the money. The exchange could build in an extra cushion to cover it for this eventuality. The exchange could require the client to make a non-refundable 1% deposit before it issues a contract, and so on.
legendary
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August 11, 2011, 12:37:31 AM
Ideally it would work in a distributed, person to person manner.

For example you and each of your friends you trust could each run an IRC bot that knows how much you are willing to sell each type of coin for in terms of each other type of coin, and how many coins of each other type you are willing to buy each type for.

This is basically what my IRC bots were intended for. It knows for example how many UKB I want for a CDN, how many CDN I want for a UKB, how many CDN It can spend on buying UKB and how many UKB it can spend on buying CDN.

The bots actually act kind of like "reserves" for each coin, because whatever you use to buy a certain kind of coin from it it will only use to buy that same kind of coin. So each type of coin it sells builds up "reserves" of the other types of coin with which to "back" it.

You would only bother trading with those friends you trust, and you could further tailor your bot to offer different prices to different people, volume discounts, or whatever tailoring you find appropriate to further your own trading strategy.

-MarkM-
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August 11, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
How are clonecoins not inflationary?
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August 11, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
It doesn't actually matter how many cloneCoins are out there - trading between coins is trivial and immediate.
You could have a single client that works on all coins and simply trades between then when you need to shift from one to the other - you wouldn't even need an exchange site. The value of any coin would be determined by the market. Trading could be automated by the client - and you could choose between different trading algorithms or write your own, or do it manually. Your stored value would remain intact irrespective of which coin wins.
A shop accepting bitcoins could also accept any other coin because they can be inter-traded immediately. Digital currencies don't face the barriers to trading that other commodities have.

Exactly how would that work?
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 11, 2011, 12:24:11 AM
It doesn't actually matter how many cloneCoins are out there - trading between coins is trivial and immediate.
You could have a single client that works on all coins and simply trades between then when you need to shift from one to the other - you wouldn't even need an exchange site. The value of any coin would be determined by the market. Trading could be automated by the client - and you could choose between different trading algorithms or write your own, or do it manually. Your stored value would remain intact irrespective of which coin wins.
A shop accepting bitcoins could also accept any other coin because they can be inter-traded immediately. Digital currencies don't face the barriers to trading that other commodities have.

Have you started development of these ideas? I like them...
hero member
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August 11, 2011, 12:18:47 AM
It doesn't actually matter how many cloneCoins are out there - trading between coins is trivial and immediate.
You could have a single client that works on all coins and simply trades between then when you need to shift from one to the other - you wouldn't even need an exchange site. The value of any coin would be determined by the market. Trading could be automated by the client - and you could choose between different trading algorithms or write your own, or do it manually. Your stored value would remain intact irrespective of which coin wins.
A shop accepting bitcoins could also accept any other coin because they can be inter-traded immediately. Digital currencies don't face the barriers to trading that other commodities have.
hero member
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August 10, 2011, 11:55:45 PM
Is it "icks-coin" or "9-coin"?
legendary
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August 10, 2011, 11:54:46 PM
doh!

You missed one key differentiator:  bitcoin forks should change pchMessageStart.

legendary
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August 10, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
Have you mined any ixcoins yet?
I have mined many orphan blocks sadly, no real ones.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 10, 2011, 11:49:50 PM
Anyone selling ixcoins for BTC? PM me your rates.
Want to try an exchange? I forked my namecoin exchange to work with ixcoins. Needs testing Smiley https://ixchange.bitparking.com/main

Have you mined any ixcoins yet?
full member
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August 10, 2011, 11:49:02 PM
I think this can get a success. There is no need for a IXC/USB exchange, IXC/BTC is sufficient imho.  I think this can reach 0.1USB per IXC ;-)
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 10, 2011, 11:47:13 PM
Anyone selling ixcoins for BTC? PM me your rates.

Oh dark pools already, eh?

Yeah go ahead folks, PM him your rates, free / open markets are evil libertarian conspiracies, better the big fish sucker you behind closed doors...

-MarkM-


Oh and there isnt any exchanges yet so yeah dark pools for now. LOL


EDIT: I stand corrected. https://ixchange.bitparking.com/main
full member
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August 10, 2011, 11:46:37 PM
Hi There , Im starting a new cryptocurrency called ZenoCoin. We will always be in first!!!!!!


Estimated time until generation of the final Zenocoin is approximately 1 minute before I thought of it.

Take that Achilles!
legendary
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August 10, 2011, 11:46:07 PM
Anyone selling ixcoins for BTC? PM me your rates.
Want to try an exchange? I forked my namecoin exchange to work with ixcoins. Needs testing Smiley https://ixchange.bitparking.com/main
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
August 10, 2011, 11:44:07 PM
Anyone selling ixcoins for BTC? PM me your rates.

Oh dark pools already, eh?

Yeah go ahead folks, PM him your rates, free / open markets are evil libertarian conspiracies, better the big fish sucker you behind closed doors...

-MarkM-


You sound like you're against free markets. Please again tell me why you are mining bitcoins?

LOL
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