Topic: [ANNOUNCE] TORwallet - anonymous mixing wallet service - page 6. (Read 29609 times)

Quote from: jl2012 on June 27, 2012, 12:07:13 PM

However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

One the torwallet.net page it claims "Seizing or hacking this server will have no effect on TORwallet's services and gain you no bitcoins, only our wrath", but this is wrong. If the torwallet.net server is hacked, the private key of the SSL certificate is exposed, and the hacker will know the URL query strings

That is not correct. Torwallet.net does not contain any private keys, and it is a separate server from the .onion site. They are not hosted on the same server. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

I mean private key of the SSL certificate, not private key of BTC accounts. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that......

I know you meant that, and you are incorrect. The private key of the SSL certificate is stored on the .onion site, not on the torwallet.net server. Perhaps you should look closer at how socat works: it has the option to serve up its own certificate, but that is not in use here. It is simply concatenating data between ports 443 and 9050, in both directions.

I mean the private key of the SSL certificate of torwallet.net, not the SSL certificate of the .onion site ......

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Quote from: rjk on June 27, 2012, 11:57:54 AM

Quote from: rjk on June 27, 2012, 11:57:54 AM

However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

One the torwallet.net page it claims "Seizing or hacking this server will have no effect on TORwallet's services and gain you no bitcoins, only our wrath", but this is wrong. If the torwallet.net server is hacked, the private key of the SSL certificate is exposed, and the hacker will know the URL query strings

That is not correct. Torwallet.net does not contain any private keys, and it is a separate server from the .onion site. They are not hosted on the same server. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

I mean private key of the SSL certificate, not private key of BTC accounts. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that......

I know you meant that, and you are incorrect. The private key of the SSL certificate is stored on the .onion site, not on the torwallet.net server. Perhaps you should look closer at how socat works: it has the option to serve up its own certificate, but that is not in use here. It is simply concatenating data between ports 443 and 9050, in both directions.

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However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

One the torwallet.net page it claims "Seizing or hacking this server will have no effect on TORwallet's services and gain you no bitcoins, only our wrath", but this is wrong. If the torwallet.net server is hacked, the private key of the SSL certificate is exposed, and the hacker will know the URL query strings

That is not correct. Torwallet.net does not contain any private keys, and it is a separate server from the .onion site. They are not hosted on the same server. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

I mean private key of the SSL certificate, not private key of BTC accounts. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that......

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However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

One the torwallet.net page it claims "Seizing or hacking this server will have no effect on TORwallet's services and gain you no bitcoins, only our wrath", but this is wrong. If the torwallet.net server is hacked, the private key of the SSL certificate is exposed, and the hacker will know the URL query strings

That is not correct. Torwallet.net does not contain any private keys, and it is a separate server from the .onion site. They are not hosted on the same server. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

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However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

One the torwallet.net page it claims "Seizing or hacking this server will have no effect on TORwallet's services and gain you no bitcoins, only our wrath", but this is wrong. If the torwallet.net server is hacked, the private key of the SSL certificate is exposed, and the hacker will know the URL query strings

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However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

That's correct, however URL query strings are encrypted when using SSL, so they can't be sniffed. If someone tried to MITM after compromising Torwallet.net, the SSL certificate would have a different fingerprint and it would be detected as an error, since you have created a special exemption in your browser for that specific fingerprint.

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Quote from: jl2012 on June 27, 2012, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: TORwallet on June 25, 2012, 04:35:33 PM

Quote from: TORwallet on June 22, 2012, 03:34:40 PM

Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

It is impossible for google or anyone else to find the link to a TORwallet unless it has been posted somewhere. Those instawallet links were most likely indexed by google visiting instawallet.org and being redirected to a new wallet.

We are working on adding an optional password field to the site. We are waiting for our developer to get back from vacation.

Hacking of torwallet.net will expose absolutely nothing. https://torwallet.net is nothing more than a proxy, and actually has more in common with a port forward in your router. It doesn't even understand http and does nothing more than pipe data through tor.

In fact, here is the command we use.
socat openssl-listen:443,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody socks4a:127.0.0.1:nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion:80,socksport=9050

Hacking of nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion would reveal current balances, however the attack surface is limited to a single port.

Just for example, I have the following wallet: https://www.torwallet.net/w/c85f0c2c5347caf6b302cebabed0e93c3ce023d6739b1e502128cbaa7042eddb

Therefore, anyone who knows the code "c85f0c2c53.............." can redeem all coins in my wallet.

A hacker can obtain the private key of torwallet.net's certificate, and he will learn the code "c85f0c2c53.............."

However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

The hacker don't need the wallet private key to withdraw BTC. Only the secret codes are needed

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Quote from: jl2012 on June 27, 2012, 12:03:04 AM

Quote from: TORwallet on June 25, 2012, 04:35:33 PM

Quote from: TORwallet on June 22, 2012, 03:34:40 PM

Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

It is impossible for google or anyone else to find the link to a TORwallet unless it has been posted somewhere. Those instawallet links were most likely indexed by google visiting instawallet.org and being redirected to a new wallet.

We are working on adding an optional password field to the site. We are waiting for our developer to get back from vacation.

Hacking of torwallet.net will expose absolutely nothing. https://torwallet.net is nothing more than a proxy, and actually has more in common with a port forward in your router. It doesn't even understand http and does nothing more than pipe data through tor.

In fact, here is the command we use.
socat openssl-listen:443,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody socks4a:127.0.0.1:nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion:80,socksport=9050

Hacking of nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion would reveal current balances, however the attack surface is limited to a single port.

Just for example, I have the following wallet: https://www.torwallet.net/w/c85f0c2c5347caf6b302cebabed0e93c3ce023d6739b1e502128cbaa7042eddb

Therefore, anyone who knows the code "c85f0c2c53.............." can redeem all coins in my wallet.

A hacker can obtain the private key of torwallet.net's certificate, and he will learn the code "c85f0c2c53.............."

However, he cannot obtain the private key by hacking torwallet.net. He can only obtain it by hacking the onion site itself. That socat tool is pretty damn cool; I've added it to my arsenal.

Most .onion sites don't bother having SSL enabled because Tor provides encryption... but for external access, this is a perfect example of how to use it.

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Quote from: TORwallet on June 25, 2012, 04:35:33 PM

Quote from: TORwallet on June 22, 2012, 03:34:40 PM

Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

It is impossible for google or anyone else to find the link to a TORwallet unless it has been posted somewhere. Those instawallet links were most likely indexed by google visiting instawallet.org and being redirected to a new wallet.

We are working on adding an optional password field to the site. We are waiting for our developer to get back from vacation.

Hacking of torwallet.net will expose absolutely nothing. https://torwallet.net is nothing more than a proxy, and actually has more in common with a port forward in your router. It doesn't even understand http and does nothing more than pipe data through tor.

In fact, here is the command we use.
socat openssl-listen:443,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody socks4a:127.0.0.1:nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion:80,socksport=9050

Hacking of nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion would reveal current balances, however the attack surface is limited to a single port.

Just for example, I have the following wallet: https://www.torwallet.net/w/c85f0c2c5347caf6b302cebabed0e93c3ce023d6739b1e502128cbaa7042eddb

Therefore, anyone who knows the code "c85f0c2c53.............." can redeem all coins in my wallet.

A hacker can obtain the private key of torwallet.net's certificate, and he will learn the code "c85f0c2c53.............."

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Quote from: TORwallet on June 22, 2012, 03:34:40 PM

Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

It is impossible for google or anyone else to find the link to a TORwallet unless it has been posted somewhere. Those instawallet links were most likely indexed by google visiting instawallet.org and being redirected to a new wallet.

We are working on adding an optional password field to the site. We are waiting for our developer to get back from vacation.

Hacking of torwallet.net will expose absolutely nothing. https://torwallet.net is nothing more than a proxy, and actually has more in common with a port forward in your router. It doesn't even understand http and does nothing more than pipe data through tor.

In fact, here is the command we use.
socat openssl-listen:443,fork,reuseaddr,su=nobody socks4a:127.0.0.1:nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion:80,socksport=9050

Hacking of nci2szjrwjqw2zbi.onion would reveal current balances, however the attack surface is limited to a single port.

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Quote from: rjk on June 25, 2012, 09:27:01 AM

Quote from: davout on June 25, 2012, 04:20:54 AM

Quote from: davout on June 25, 2012, 04:20:54 AM

Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

badum-tssss

Same goes for your service, just depends on who gets hacked first.

http://xkcd.com/703/

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Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

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Same goes for your service, just depends on who gets hacked first.

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Although you do not have a wallet on torwallet.net, hacking of torwallet.net will expose the secret code, and thus the balance of the accounts of those who use torwallet.net.

badum-tssss

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