I specifically remember a time in which I was berated for being too mean to a newbie in one of my posts, and I understand that my post could have had gone either way in terms of its level of mean-ness, including that the difference between mean and not mean might merely be the choice to change a few of the words to be less harsh, and at the time, I largely disagreed with my having had been too mean to that particular newbie - even though there were several times later that I did consider similar kinds of interactions with other newbies, and I reflected upon my earlier interaction about whether I had been "too mean" in my post, and based on those kinds of reflections, I would sometimes moderate my tone just because sometimes the extra level of mean-ness is not really necessary (or helpful), even if the newbie might seem to be engaging in a kind of trolling behavior. yet it still might be ambiguous in regards to whether the newbie is trolling or not..
It is a normal thing sometimes people get upset with the kind of reply they get from people. You know one thing that makes people angry and makes you said some mean words to people, is the inability of them understanding your explanation due to tone or your
accentOr sometimes using some kind of word like "fuck you" you must be stupid for saying that" or more vague words which makes people reply aggressively and causes misinformation. I could remember the first time I came across your post, it was very difficult to comprehend to your level of explanation and it took me hours to understand your writeup. You have even reduced your writing pattern now for newbies to understand but I know many will still find it difficult to comprehend. But the reason behind that is that they don't know what the conversation is all about. Because they get more confuse expecially when they don't know what you are explaining. And you know what you don't know sounds pretty much like a grammatical blunder hahaha. But as time goes on I learnt that sometimes we misunderstood grammar for lack for our inability to comprehend write-up, and that is what makes you address newbies the way you think you did because it's always annoying in such situation.
There are topics that are more basic, and there are topics that are more complex that potentially benefit from explanations.
I will admit that sometimes my explanations will be easier to understand than others, and surely each of us have opinions, so we are not always correct in our opinions... while at the same time, we might have a topic that has, facts, logic, conclusions and opinions, so there can be ways in which any of those could go wrong or need further explanations, and sometimes any of us might not feel that we don't need to explain or maybe we refer to some other article, link or post, and sometimes we might say things without explaining, which may or may not be the right thing to do, even though there are ONLY so many hours in a day in order to explain and/or to elaborate.
I surely will grapple with some of the more technical discussions, so sometimes I am more leary to chime into a kind of conversation that I don't feel that I have enough grasp of the topic. There are some topics that I discuss now that I would not have had understood 10 years ago when I first started to get involved in bitcoin, so in some senses I feel that I have learned a lot in bitcoin, and I sometimes will try to relate to the perspective of my earlier self in order to try to communicate ideas to other members, yet even some of the things that I might describe about my earlier self, might not apply to current circumstances, since some aspects of the world are different today, including some aspects of bitcoin still might be similar, but there are some aspects of bitcoin that may well be different today too.. so even a newbie coming to bitcoin today, might need to apply a bit of a different investment approach than what I had applied starting in late 2013 and into my earliest times of getting more and more involved in bitcoin and learning about bitcoin.
There may be some ways that bitcoin newbies today could have advantages over bitcoin newbies from 2013 that involve the mere fact that the bitcoin network has now been live more than 15 years, even though when I got into bitcoin, it was just getting to it's 5th year of being live.
True, yet sometimes it can be helpful to interact and to ask questions with other forum members in order to attempt to figure out why they post the way that they do, and sometimes when we interact with other members, we can figure out if they are being genuine or not.... because I tend to NOT be as much worried about whether I agree with someone or not, but I am concerned with some members who might make certain strong stances on a topic but without providing explanations for how they reached their strong stances.
Definitely a man is not an island of knowledge hence there is need to interact and communicate freely with people, by knowing your lapses in other to be corrected because being a higher ranked member does not necessarily mean you are more educated/intellectual than others, or seeing their opinion as a waste. Human being are bound to learning regardless of age, belief, educational qualification or how influential they can be. But being submissive is the key. Because if you have everything in life without communicating freely with people life will become unfriendly to you. I alway respect people who are rich and powerful but can still communicate with common people because the world is a small place and hence no need to be proud of nothing.
I know my write-up might be a little bit far from the actual discussion, but any where can be a means or channel of passing a message across of life simplicity.
Sometimes we might deviate somewhat from the topic, yet hopefully we can still make attempts to relate our discussion and our arguable deviance to the topic, and in this thread we have a lot of members describing their accomplishments, so the thread could be interpreted fairly broadly - including communicating ideas that reaching higher and higher forum rank and/or status on the forum may well NOT relieve us of responsibilities to either continue to try to learn or even to NOT take the knowledge levels and/or the potential contributions of newbies for granted... even though sometimes there will be newbies who come to the forum and seem to be respected and accepted for their achievements outside of the forum and/or they may bring their outside status to the forum and expect to get reverence based on their outside status - and that can be problematic in terms of verifying outside status but also it could impede possibilities for conversations to stand on their own merit... ..
so ranking up in the forum does likely bring some of those similar kinds of outside world status to the member- even though some members may end up getting dinged a lot in their trust as a means that might end up off-setting their previously earned/gained status based on rank.
I have experienced some forum members becoming very angry when I had asked them to explain some parts of the assertions to their posts, which sometimes demonstrate that they are not necessarily trying to be a genuine poster, and they might not even be a real person (maybe a troll or a paid shill?), so sometimes the interaction can be helpful in terms of figuring out if another member really stands behind his various assertions and is able to provide either facts and/or logic to back up their assertions.
Not every body that has a good writing skill or comprehension skill. Reading and writing is a very serious work because it takes Time.
It takes time to develop decently good reading, writing and comprehension skills, and surely some members present their ideas very well, but they still may well end up being substantively wrong in their facts, logic, conclusions and/or opinions. There can also be guys who are correct in some areas, and wrong in other areas, or they could be right or wrong at any given time, but then they end up changing and maybe into the opposite direction.. Another thing is that sometimes right and wrong is on a spectrum rather than being absolutes, depending on the topic, and depending on if we might be talking about facts, logic, conclusions and/or opinions, because a person could be logically correct, but dealing with bad facts or he could be dealing with correct facts but giving the wrong kinds of weights to the facts and therefore coming to bad conclusions.
Another thing is that sometimes guys will come out fighting and making arguments in order to challenge various status quo aspects of bitcoin or some other related topic, so then once they make many of their arguments, they may proclaim that it is UP to others to prove that they are wrong, which many times does not end up being the case. Frequently if anyone is going to attempt to challenge the status quo or to argue that something needs to be changed (let's say in regards to bitcoin), then they have the burden of production (of evidence/facts) and the burden of persuasion (of logic) to convince folks to side with them, and they might be successful or they might not.
For instance, I don't tend to participate in too many shitcoin threads because I don't want to put that much energy into combatting them within their own space, and from my thinking either people want to get involved in shitcoins or they don't and that is on them. However, if people come to bitcoin threads or they refer to bitcoin as crypto or they bring up some shitcoin in a bitcoin thread without denigrating it, then frequently I will consider them to be either in need to explain their use of dumb and vague-ass terms such as crypto if they might have been wanting to talk about bitcoin or maybe I might argue or suggest that they are either in the wrong thread or in need of starting their own thread that might relate to their desire to potentially muddy bitcoin discussion with either ambiguous shitcoin information or to perhaps be intentionally or unintentionally pumping some shitcoin or denigrating bitcoin.
Newbies to bitcoin may or may not understand some of these kinds of discussions, and some of the longer term bitcoiners might have had already concluded that it is not helpful to give any grounds to any of the folks who are using ambiguous terms that might either be pumping shitcoins and/or gratuitously denigrating bitcoin, and so the extent to which they choose to argue the topic or not may well end up in frustrations on both sides, even though maybe both perspectives could potentially be equally valid, so there might not be any ability to stop some of those kinds of battles, because sometimes even pumping shitcoins and/or denigrating bitcoin could be valid in some circumstances, even within some bitcoin threads.
And it is annoying when you ask someone to repeat itself, it will be like telling a stammerer to repeat what he has said, definitely you will get a blow on your face. LoL
Sometimes members are not ready, willing and/or able to back up what they said.. and I am not necessarily exempt from those kind of criticisms of my own interactions. Some members might ask me to further explain, and sometimes I will refuse to continue to elaborate or to explain further, and I may well end up just proclaiming that I stand by what I already wrote - even if I might not even remember exactly what I had already wrote. There can sometimes be needs to just stop getting into the weeds of certain topics and just agree to disagree rather than even continuing to explore areas that may or may not be resolvable, but even members within the thread might start to get frustrated with the ongoing battle that is starting to either seem to be too much in the weeds or to have way too many personal rather than substantive components.
A member's level of English can surely start to make differences, especially when the arguments start to get into a lot of subtle details, and sometimes the arguments might not even end up getting into a lot of subtleties, but instead might end up boiling down to perceptions in regards to whether both sides are really trying to be genuine in terms of the kinds of arguments that they are raising - including getting emotional and/or taking some of the matters personal that might not have had meant to be personal.
And, another angle could be whether or not some technological aspects of bitcoin or some other related topic might not be well understood by both of the parties, then there could be some needs to bow out of the argument if it is getting into those kinds of areas.. which could end up being another way to say something like: "I don't understand enough about that aspect of your argument(s), so it is possible that you could be correct in what you are saying, but I am going to just agree to disagree with you." The other side might not let you bow out and continue to want to argue that you have to agree with them if you are saying that you don't know enough but you are still disagreeing... which surely those kinds of arguments can be frustrating.. especially if the person still might not want to agree with the other but does not have enough technical knowledge and/or competence to argue the topic from the angle that the other side wants to argue.
Most people find it difficult to comprehend a particular quote or thread but solely depends on other people quote to really understand the context of the actual topic.
That is true. Sometimes when we feel that we don't know enough on a topic, we will rely on the judgement of people who we trust to treat topics fairly (or who we believe to be more knowledgable than us), and there is ONLY so many hours in a day, so sometimes we do need to have those kinds of reliance, especially when we are still learning topics or if we don't have time or abilities to learn certain areas, yet each of us likely has some responsibilities to both attempt to engage in critical thinking and/or to learn about the areas of our interest, and surely it still is discretionary regarding how much extra studying and/or due diligence that we might need to carry out, including that we will frequently have a variety of other things going on in our lives, and we might ONLY have so many hours per day or per week that we are able to dedicate to learning a new topic or potentially figuring out a topic that we know might take 100s if not 1,000s of hours to learn with any level of competence... and so there could still be higher level ways to learn topics but then there could be ways to learn topics that might not involve as many hours, and sometimes we might just need to spend 5-10 minutes looking up some definitions and/or some of the basics of a topic (maybe even using wikipedia) in order to at least understand the reference so that we can then go on to better understand some context of what might be being said or argued.
While others don't bother to check from others, but choose to reply without knowing that they have confused themselves in trying to explain a simple thing.
Sometimes we do not know what we do not know, and one of the advantages of a forum like this is to bat around ideas, while at the same time, sometimes when we go to write out a post in order to respond, we may well come to a realization that we might not know the topic well enough in order to take a stance... or maybe we might come to realize that our previous stance was not very well informed and we have to look into the topic further based on what the other member said in response to our earlier post on the topic.
and when you tell such person to rephrase h/herself, they wouldn't even bother to come back to the thread again.
Hahahahaha
Yes. Members respond in varying ways. Sometimes they will ghost you and/or the thread, other times they might say that they need to look into the matter. Other times they might admit to being wrong or they might still say that they are right, even if they might realize that they are wrong.
Sometimes the way that we respond might end up affecting our reputation on the forum, and maybe sometimes it might be better to wait a few days before responding or maybe just to leave the topic (like you mentioned that some members will do). I remember some posts from a few months ago that I had bookmarked, and I intended to get back to them within a few days or perhaps a week or two at most, but for some reason, time flew by and I was not able to get back to those posts, and with the passage of time, I consider that maybe there is no real need for me to get back to the posts even though I had somewhat formulated some possible responses in my head, but if I did not respond and I did not actually type out my response, I have not completely addressed the matter, and it still hangs out there, yet the more time that passes, the harder it may well become to go back and to respond to those earlier raised ideas - even though sometimes, we will witness members responding to posts that were many months earlier, and sometimes it can still work out to address the subject matter at a later date.. yet perhaps raising a need to address why there was such a delay in responding.
But yeah some members may well not even be genuine in terms of their posts. They raise various questions, and they start potentially provocative threads, yet they do not follow up or respond further in the thread, and those kinds of behaviors may well end up negatively affecting the member's reputation.
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