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January 20, 2013, 08:36:27 PM
I'm still skeptical. No pictures? No actual proof?

I'm thinking they're still not ready and are using this thread to buy time. All the FUD in this thread will probably buy them another week or two without having to formally announce a delay.

Seriously?  One of the first units was shipped to a Bitcoin dev.  For it not to arrive or to not work when it does arrive would do far more damage to Avalon than a two week delay would have done.

Pictures prove nothing about whether a unit actually exists or works.  They're nice to have so you can drool over something, but they don't actually prove anything.  You can pay to have clever mock-ups of stuff built - half the technology you see in TV shows and movies is nothing more than a clever mock-up which looks like the real thing and looks like it's actually working when its not.

While people can certainly still question any photos or videos posted by Jeff and Bitcoin Foundation when their units are set up, it's a big stretch to believe that they're going to deceive users about the end product produced by Avalon or any other ASIC vendor.

If you read the original thread, you'll see that people were also violently opposed to any of the ASIC vendors actually hashing to prove that their products worked, too.



donator
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Poor impulse control.
January 20, 2013, 08:33:55 PM
I'm still skeptical. No pictures? No actual proof?

I'm thinking they're still not ready and are using this thread to buy time. All the FUD in this thread will probably buy them another week or two without having to formally announce a delay.
Emphasis mine.

Someone hasn't read the thread. Here's the picture Avalon posted, for the 10th time now:



This is nothing

So let me repost BitSyncom's response:

We've anticipated this behavoir, so we decided to wait a little and address the following.

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Trolls: omg post fucking photos!

Avalon posts photo.

Trolls: how we know these things even work! post fucking videos.

Avalon posts video.

Trolls: wtf that shit is staged.

Avalon says: wait till third party review.

and back where I originally started.
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 08:32:41 PM
I'm still skeptical. No pictures? No actual proof?

I'm thinking they're still not ready and are using this thread to buy time. All the FUD in this thread will probably buy them another week or two without having to formally announce a delay.
Emphasis mine.

Someone hasn't read the thread. Here's the picture Avalon posted, for the 10th time now:



This is nothing
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 08:28:16 PM
I'm still skeptical. No pictures? No actual proof?

I'm thinking they're still not ready and are using this thread to buy time. All the FUD in this thread will probably buy them another week or two without having to formally announce a delay.
Emphasis mine.

Someone hasn't read the thread. Here's the picture Avalon posted, for the 10th time now:

hero member
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January 20, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
I'm still skeptical. No pictures? No actual proof?

I'm thinking they're still not ready and are using this thread to buy time. All the FUD in this thread will probably buy them another week or two without having to formally announce a delay.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
January 20, 2013, 07:40:51 PM
Oh you guys, I think everyone is at a boiling point because of the delays made by our competitors.

We shipped, website will be updated shortly.

First unit goes to Jeff Garzik in honor for the work he has done for the bitcoin codebase being the only developer who ordered from us.

we also arranged to ship a unit to the Bitcoin Foundation, whom is going to do a demo.

The avalon team on the other hand is going to make sure the whole shipping process go smoothly. like handling DHL/EMS problem, and other custom issues.

cheers.

Since Bitcoin Foundation doesn't have a physical address, and given the following members are scattered throughout the globe,... https://bitcoinfoundation.org/contact

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Feel free to email our board with questions, suggestions, and any other Bitcoin-related feedback that you have. Transparent communication is our intention.

For Press Inquiries
Executive Director Peter Vessenes: [email protected]
Secretary Jon Matonis: [email protected]

Individual Member Class Questions
Secretary Jon Matonis: [email protected]
Chief Scientist Gavin Andresen: [email protected]

Corporate Member Class Questions
Vice Chairman Charlie Shrem: [email protected]
Board Member Mark Karpeles: [email protected]

Legal Questions / Contact
Chief Counsel Patrick Murck: [email protected]

General Questions
Assistant Director Lindsay Holland: [email protected]

...is it safe to assume that Lindsay will be doing the actual testing, or am I forgetting someone?
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 07:26:29 PM
I'll post photos and a review when my unit arrives.

I was surprised that I was the only core developer who paid for a unit.  Followed the shotgun approach:  ordered units from all the people working on ASICs.


Good for you!

Most developers seem to be waiting for freebies simply because they are coders.

In most industries people pay for expensive Developer Kits (including a computer system).
Yes and those developer kits include software developed by the company producing it.

In this case the software is created by the developers ... and modified by the companies (or even modified by the developers themselves ...)

They save way more money by using free software already written by the developers than the cost of sending out a few boards.

Your comparison fails.

But it fails on an even higher level - Avalon have not sent any hardware to myself or ckolivas and have never said they would.
... though they have used cgminer ...
Are you implying you should not buy hardware like the other developer?

I understand your position. But in this case, any development hardware sent to you actually generates BTC. Perhaps you should ask for a lease from different companies and then pay back the hardware costs through the coins it produces as you code for it?

--------------

I have noticed a few coders/developers in the wild seemingly....almost demanding....hardware because of their unique position to contribute compatible software updates.

Shouldn't you pay for it or return it once the coding process is done?

Do you sort of understand where I am coming from?
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January 20, 2013, 07:25:31 PM
I didn't use Photoshop either.

As much as I don't like people claiming photoshop was the medium to deceit, "photoshoped" is popularly used to describe something that is fake.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
January 20, 2013, 07:16:30 PM
Congrats Avalon,but,so far only 2 units have been mentioned as sent out  Sad

You still win the trophy for "First units shipped" though  Cool

Let's see how many go out & how fast,before we panic about the network hashrate exploding  Wink
Well - actually until there is some proof that it has been shipped - they don't get the "First units shipped" trophy.
Even jgarzik doesn't have a shipping confirmation yet.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1466313
That I do indeed find surprising.

Now ... if that shipping time takes 5 days or even 10 days ... then there is still the small possibility of someone else actually running some other ASIC miner and proving it before jgarzik can.
Not likely, but still possible ...

No ASIC has "definitely" reached the finish line yet ...
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 07:12:06 PM
I'll post photos and a review when my unit arrives.

I was surprised that I was the only core developer who paid for a unit.  Followed the shotgun approach:  ordered units from all the people working on ASICs.


Good for you!

Most developers seem to be waiting for freebies simply because they are coders.

In most industries people pay for expensive Developer Kits (including a computer system).
Yes and those developer kits include software developed by the company producing it.

In this case the software is created by the developers ... and modified by the companies (or even modified by the developers themselves ...)

They save way more money by using free software already written by the developers than the cost of sending out a few boards.

Your comparison fails.

But it fails on an even higher level - Avalon have not sent any hardware to myself or ckolivas and have never said they would.
... though they have used cgminer ...
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 06:25:35 PM


For those like myself doing difficulty estimates for calculating future BTC price changes, can we assume this might have been an order of 75 Avalon discounted? What was original purchase price?

If 75, it's 4.5 TH/s.

Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd.

Shocking that it took an official post to be the first to make the obvious point that that was photoshopped. Puerto did everything possible to make it painstaking clear that it was fake. 1/4th of the total batch, with an order number too high to exist within the batch, different font than original order that it was shopped from, etc.



You obviously can not read either:

(Order number is real though)


Actually, the order number is real.

The rest is faked (as openly stated in my original post!). I didn't use Photoshop either.

Even BFL_Josh fell for it. It just goes to show that people don't actually read the posts in front of them! (as the Mod indicated)

I contacted Bitsyncom a short time before he posted as well....remarking how people on the forum don't seem to read before they post.
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 06:10:39 PM
Congrats Avalon,but,so far only 2 units have been mentioned as sent out  Sad

You still win the trophy for "First units shipped" though  Cool

Let's see how many go out & how fast,before we panic about the network hashrate exploding  Wink
hero member
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January 20, 2013, 06:05:01 PM
I was growing a little weary of all the BS.

The BS is going to continue until after BFL delivers.  Until then, the performance of each vendor's product can't be independently compared.
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January 20, 2013, 06:03:19 PM


For those like myself doing difficulty estimates for calculating future BTC price changes, can we assume this might have been an order of 75 Avalon discounted? What was original purchase price?

If 75, it's 4.5 TH/s.

Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd.

Shocking that it took an official post to be the first to make the obvious point that that was photoshopped. Puerto did everything possible to make it painstaking clear that it was fake. 1/4th of the total batch, with an order number too high to exist within the batch, different font than original order that it was shopped from, etc.


PuertoLibre: " ... (Order number is real though) ...".

You obviously can not read either.

I edited that out, but it still stands to reason regardless.
hero member
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January 20, 2013, 06:02:19 PM


For those like myself doing difficulty estimates for calculating future BTC price changes, can we assume this might have been an order of 75 Avalon discounted? What was original purchase price?

If 75, it's 4.5 TH/s.

Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd.

Shocking that it took an official post to be the first to make the obvious point that that was photoshopped. Puerto did everything possible to make it painstaking clear that it was fake. 1/4th of the total batch, with an order number too high to exist within the batch, different font than original order that it was shopped from, etc.



You obviously can not read either:

(Order number is real though)

hero member
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January 20, 2013, 05:59:28 PM


For those like myself doing difficulty estimates for calculating future BTC price changes, can we assume this might have been an order of 75 Avalon discounted? What was original purchase price?

If 75, it's 4.5 TH/s.

Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd.

Shocking that it took an official post to be the first to make the obvious point that that was photoshopped. Puerto did everything possible to make it painstaking clear that it was fake. 1/4th of the total batch.

In other notes, as my first time checking in on the boards, wewt, congrats Avalon, glad to see a company finally deliver. Can't wait to see the results when people get their orders. I was growing a little weary of all the BS.
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 05:53:50 PM
Wow at today's prices and difficulty, you'd need 12 days to pay off everything (minus power).  Looks like we got a new bitcoin baron here.  I guess those people showing off their FPGA minirigs just got dethroned (ie. gigavps).
Is it too obvious if the initial post quoted "order quantity were edited to protect the innocent" that there is something wrong with the # of units?
legendary
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In Cryptocoins I Trust
January 20, 2013, 05:52:46 PM
I just came in my pants. Congrats Avalon! I'm happy you guys are first. Happy new years guys, looks like I'll be ordering from yall!!
staff
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January 20, 2013, 05:42:48 PM
Since this "joke" by PuertoLibre isn't dying, I'll confirm here that it is in fact been photoshop'd.
I went and added a note to PuertoLibre's post. I will never stop being amazed by people's inability to read!
legendary
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January 20, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
I'll be happy to print this out and eat it if I'm wrong.

I'd actually like to see that too.

To quote almost every post in this thread: I want to see pics and vids of this as proof !  Grin

Can not take pictures because it is invisible ASIC - Stealth ASIC  - Miracle of Chinese electronics. Faster than the speed of light Wink
We have to trust their words because words are more important than the photos, Similarly to faith in god Wink (I am atheist)

People, I wasn't talking about pics and vids of the ASIC, check my quote: I want to see camosoul eat a piece of forum-print-out  Grin
A promise is a promise ....  Wink
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