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Topic: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB - page 38. (Read 251998 times)

legendary
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May 09, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
The price doesn't come down without consumer's investment in purchasing product, by my calculations a distributed network adds value to my BTC, and I think a USB miner in the hands of every person invested in Bitcoin is much safer than all AM chips mining for shareholders

If you keep buying the USB miners at that ridiculous price, they have no incentive to lower the price. The only thing this USB miner will do for Bitcoin is to add more of them to ASICMINER's coffers.

See, ASICMINER can't deploy too much extra hashpower yet until Avalon/BFL ship more of their units since they'd be nearing hashrates with which they could conceivably execute double spends. Even the threat of that possibility should be enough to deter them since that would most likely erode confidence in BTC.

Totally agree, but being involved in R&D and product development, I know how much effort goes into shipping the first production batch.

Given I don't think USB miners are going to be competitive in the long run, I would like to see all bugs ironed out now so with dwindling demand it will still be cost effective to produce the product at a lower price as opposed to pulling the product before it is fully developed because of lack of demand.

However your scenario is likely should the demand stay high without competition.  
full member
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I run Linux on my abacus.
May 09, 2013, 12:58:16 PM
If there is a demonstrated demand for such devices at 'rip-off' prices, that will encourage more development along these lines and we'll be seeing genuine commodity pricing that much sooner.

I think these current USB devices are just a curiosity at this price point. Sending the signal that people will buy anything and everything at hugely inflated prices will do much harm in the long run. There's absolutely no need to enrich ASICMINER and contribute to the centralisation of the network(*) at the current time any more than it's happening already. Come autumn when Avalon's chips built into DIY and small-time projects are hashing all over the world, then the situation is different. But at the moment... nah.

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(*) I realise the USB gadgets will of course be hashing all over the world, but the BTC spent on them will give ASICMINER an even bigger ability to centralise more. The actual hashing output of the devices will be minuscule in the grand scheme of things.
hero member
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May 09, 2013, 12:57:26 PM
The price doesn't come down without consumer's investment in purchasing product, by my calculations a distributed network adds value to my BTC, and I think a USB miner in the hands of every person invested in Bitcoin is much safer than all AM chips mining for shareholders

If you keep buying the USB miners at that ridiculous price, they have no incentive to lower the price. The only thing this USB miner will do for Bitcoin is to add more of them to ASICMINER's coffers.

See, ASICMINER can't deploy too much extra hashpower yet until Avalon/BFL ship more of their units since they'd be nearing hashrates with which they could conceivably execute double spends. Even the threat of that possibility should be enough to deter them since that would most likely erode confidence in BTC.

You can watch deployment here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkPdXsQFT-vIdHRVUjQ5Ql9BQWR6OENLMkhyUktUblE#gid=14
full member
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I run Linux on my abacus.
May 09, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
The price doesn't come down without consumer's investment in purchasing product, by my calculations a distributed network adds value to my BTC, and I think a USB miner in the hands of every person invested in Bitcoin is much safer than all AM chips mining for shareholders

If you keep buying the USB miners at that ridiculous price, they have no incentive to lower the price. The only thing this USB miner will do for Bitcoin is to add more of them to ASICMINER's coffers.

See, ASICMINER can't deploy too much extra hashpower yet until Avalon/BFL ship more of their units since they'd be nearing hashrates with which they could conceivably execute double spends. Even the threat of that possibility should be enough to deter them since that would most likely erode confidence in BTC.
legendary
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May 09, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
If you want it for your time capsule, that's cool too. But we all know that ASICMiner is preying on the people who are too stupid to do math.  Roll Eyes

The price doesn't come down without consumer's investment in purchasing product, by my calculations a distributed network adds value to my BTC, and I think a USB miner in the hands of every person invested in Bitcoin is much safer than all AM chips mining for shareholders.

So I am buying a couple to stimulate demand.  The way I see it: it is a hardware dongle that allows your BTC wallet (be your own bank) to accumulate interest by providing transaction services to the network). The distributed network being a foundation design element in the Bitcoin Idea.

I was buying BTC at the end of 2011 (in the $2-ish/BTC range) for the same reason (providing demand), or at least that was a legitimate part of what was driving my actions.  Almost everyone was saying it was stupid because they were

  1) incapable of visualizing anything but the money aspect of things

  2) following the herd mentality which was that Bitcoin was dead.

I see devices such as Block Erupter as being a hugely positive thing for the health of the distributed crypto-currency world in both obvious and more difficult to explain ways.

If there is a demonstrated demand for such devices at 'rip-off' prices, that will encourage more development along these lines and we'll be seeing genuine commodity pricing that much sooner.

legendary
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May 09, 2013, 12:08:54 PM

If you want it for your time capsule, that's cool too. But we all know that ASICMiner is preying on the people who are too stupid to do math.  Roll Eyes

The price doesn't come down without consumer's investment in purchasing product, by my calculations a distributed network adds value to my BTC, and I think a USB miner in the hands of every person invested in Bitcoin is much safer than all AM chips mining for shareholders.

So I am buying a couple to stimulate demand.  The way I see it: it is a hardware dongle that allows your BTC wallet (be your own bank) to accumulate interest by providing transaction services to the network). The distributed network being a foundation design element in the Bitcoin Idea.
hero member
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May 09, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
I don't have enough USB ports to power 300 of these at once.

heheheh... that'd be one heck of a set up.

You'd need a whole lotta hubs, and a whole lotta adapters for these hubs.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for-professionals-nerds/

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Cambrionix 49-port USB hub for professional nerds



It's designed for professional test labs or even businesses where host-rigs must be protected against faulty USB devices. But there's nothing stopping you from decorating a living-room wall with this second-generation 49-port USB 2.0 hub from Cambrionix. Unless you consider the cost -- £399 / $657 (plus tax) -- or the fact that it requires an ATX-2 power supply to push 500mA across all 49-ports significant deterrents.

You'd still need a very good power supply for all these USB sticks though.
full member
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May 09, 2013, 10:18:24 AM
Then again, it takes a special kind of twat to buy these things at this price, and yet they're filling up group buys left and right.

It would take a special kind of twat to assume he/she understands every possible situation that every possible person in the world could be in, and then past judgement on their actions.



If you want it for your time capsule, that's cool too. But we all know that ASICMiner is preying on the people who are too stupid to do math.  Roll Eyes
full member
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May 09, 2013, 04:15:15 AM
What is the timeframe for the first batch of Block Erupter USB to be delivered to clients?
legendary
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May 09, 2013, 01:11:55 AM
Then again, it takes a special kind of twat to buy these things at this price, and yet they're filling up group buys left and right.

It would take a special kind of twat to assume he/she understands every possible situation that every possible person in the world could be in, and then past judgement on their actions.


Well said.  Mine may never mine any kind of crypto-currency.  May never even be powered on for that matter.

That's assuming I get it at all.  IMHO it would take a special kind of twat to have ordered a BFL a year ago, and extra-special one to have ordered one after the dirt started appearing, and a super-extra-special kind not to have grabbed a re-fund while it was still possible for those who made the mistake in the first place.

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May 09, 2013, 12:41:05 AM
Dividend for today is: 0.011 per share
Is that good or bad?

Good for those that bought it at IPO, shit for those that will buy it at 1.20 BTC per share and have to wait 110 weeks (2 years) for ROI.

Of course, there are around 375 AM shareholders who'd try to make you believe I'm talking crap and it's wonderful opportunity. You decide if you're gonna be a or not.

This
P/E ratio of 2 not taking into consideration company growth, what a terrible price!
sr. member
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May 09, 2013, 12:07:18 AM
Then again, it takes a special kind of twat to buy these things at this price, and yet they're filling up group buys left and right.

It would take a special kind of twat to assume he/she understands every possible situation that every possible person in the world could be in, and then past judgement on their actions.

full member
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May 08, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
Dividend for today is: 0.011 per share
Is that good or bad?

Good for those that bought it at IPO, shit for those that will buy it at 1.20 BTC per share and have to wait 110 weeks (2 years) for ROI.

Of course, there are around 375 AM shareholders who'd try to make you believe I'm talking crap and it's wonderful opportunity. You decide if you're gonna be a or not.

This
vip
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May 08, 2013, 08:11:33 PM
I don't have enough USB ports to power 300 of these at once.

heheheh... that'd be one heck of a set up.

You'd need a whole lotta hubs, and a whole lotta adapters for these hubs.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/cambrionix-49-port-usb-hub-for-professionals-nerds/

Quote
Cambrionix 49-port USB hub for professional nerds



It's designed for professional test labs or even businesses where host-rigs must be protected against faulty USB devices. But there's nothing stopping you from decorating a living-room wall with this second-generation 49-port USB 2.0 hub from Cambrionix. Unless you consider the cost -- £399 / $657 (plus tax) -- or the fact that it requires an ATX-2 power supply to push 500mA across all 49-ports significant deterrents.
hero member
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May 08, 2013, 07:28:18 PM
I don't have enough USB ports to power 300 of these at once.

heheheh... that'd be one heck of a set up.

You'd need a whole lotta hubs, and a whole lotta adapters for these hubs.
legendary
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Duelbits.com
May 08, 2013, 05:45:47 PM
Dividend for today is: 0.011 per share
Is that good or bad?

Good for those that bought it at IPO, shit for those that will buy it at 1.20 BTC per share and have to wait 110 weeks (2 years) for ROI.

Of course, there are around 375 AM shareholders who'd try to make you believe I'm talking crap and it's wonderful opportunity. You decide if you're gonna be a or not.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
May 08, 2013, 05:43:59 PM
http://www.everythingusb.com/
The link above is a great place to announce your product - or even advertise. (it's on my read list)

Feel free to shower me in Bitcoin if it pans out. (See my signature)
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May 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
I am buying at least two in the US/Canada group buy. I like the idea so much I even started a little mining IPO called TURTLE MINING using these USB miners Smiley

It would take a special kind of twat to buy into an IPO of 600Mhash that will never break even on the purchase price. Then again, it takes a special kind of twat to buy these things at this price, and yet they're filling up group buys left and right.

7Billion people in the world. Gotta be a few thousand of the special kind of twat, right?  Roll Eyes

Hey man, fools and their money are lucky enough to get together in the first place; they were bound to part ways sooner or layer  Cheesy
sr. member
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May 08, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
Yes. You are correct. IPO has been canceled.
full member
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May 08, 2013, 03:41:04 PM
I am buying at least two in the US/Canada group buy. I like the idea so much I even started a little mining IPO called TURTLE MINING using these USB miners Smiley

It would take a special kind of twat to buy into an IPO of 600Mhash that will never break even on the purchase price. Then again, it takes a special kind of twat to buy these things at this price, and yet they're filling up group buys left and right.

7Billion people in the world. Gotta be a few thousand of the special kind of twat, right?  Roll Eyes
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