[Announcement] Block Erupter USB - page 55.

arklan

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Quote from: John (John K.) on May 04, 2013, 10:37:16 AM

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on May 04, 2013, 10:11:37 AM

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:08:16 AM

i get what the goal is: wholesale to others who will then sale at "retail." that's a perfectly reasonable thing and the 300 minimum order isn't a big deal. avalon's chips are 10,000 chips minimum order, after all. same thing.

now, the 1.99 btc price? that's an entirely different matter. even with immediate delivery vs. waiting months, 300 mhash vs 5 ghash (and whatever power difference) is an obvious choice, and it's not in AM's favor.

It still makes sense when you factor in how much FOGA's been going currently.

assuming you mean FPGA john, then yea, this is true. but that's not longer the compare point, is it? bfl's shipping, slowly, yes, but shipping. thus those are a competing option, just with a waiting list. also there's the huge number of avalon chips which have been sold. supposedly those will be shipping by june, with DIY or other hardware being made by forum members (burnin comes to mind) ready to go quickly after that. FPGA's aren't a relevant comparison anymore.

Yep, FPGA. Take a look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/discontinued-lancelot-heavy-duty-400-mega-hashes-2-x-fpga-mining-board-187549 - FPGA's going like hot cakes now. (I remember seeing a group buy for that - it was filled to 100+ units in a couple of days)

i hadn't seen that thread. interesting. thanks.

John (John K.)

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Away on an extended break

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:19:44 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on May 04, 2013, 10:11:37 AM

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:08:16 AM

i get what the goal is: wholesale to others who will then sale at "retail." that's a perfectly reasonable thing and the 300 minimum order isn't a big deal. avalon's chips are 10,000 chips minimum order, after all. same thing.

now, the 1.99 btc price? that's an entirely different matter. even with immediate delivery vs. waiting months, 300 mhash vs 5 ghash (and whatever power difference) is an obvious choice, and it's not in AM's favor.

It still makes sense when you factor in how much FOGA's been going currently.

assuming you mean FPGA john, then yea, this is true. but that's not longer the compare point, is it? bfl's shipping, slowly, yes, but shipping. thus those are a competing option, just with a waiting list. also there's the huge number of avalon chips which have been sold. supposedly those will be shipping by june, with DIY or other hardware being made by forum members (burnin comes to mind) ready to go quickly after that. FPGA's aren't a relevant comparison anymore.

Yep, FPGA. Take a look at this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/discontinued-lancelot-heavy-duty-400-mega-hashes-2-x-fpga-mining-board-187549 - FPGA's going like hot cakes now. (I remember seeing a group buy for that - it was filled to 100+ units in a couple of days)

leroy_k

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Can you use a USB 3 connector to allow for the extra power draw, or is the increase in cost (I assume USB3 connectors > USB2) not worth it?

bigbeninlondon

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Quote from: plectrum on May 04, 2013, 10:27:54 AM

First congratulations these devices look great and in a word ... cute. But I agree with others about the price point, I thought people were over bidding for the blades. I have a bigger problem with the cute USB dongle. I am looking more for a blade or a big box that really pumps the hashes out. What are people going to do, try and have 30+ of these hanging off a PC? It is almost as if the USB dongles are meant for 'casual' miners to just plug in their laptop while they are on the go.

I'm trying to get an avalon blade through one of the group buys for chips; but this seems like something you can have for the novelty of it. Plug one in your laptop while surfing the net; adding 1/3 GH/s is laudable, plus it takes (I assume) very little power.

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Quote from: erschiessen on May 04, 2013, 10:00:40 AM

Awesome product.
Unfortunately, your price point is, to be blunt, retarded.

Well, considering that a video card that makes 300 MH/s is about $150 right now (My XFX 6870 from eBay used cost me $70), I'd say it's a little hefty in the price range. What does one of these draw? I'm assuming about 5 or 6 watts vs a video card's 100 or so? Big difference.

I'd like two; someone please point me in the right direction for participating in a group buy and I'm there.

plectrum

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First congratulations these devices look great and in a word ... cute. But I agree with others about the price point, I thought people were over bidding for the blades. I have a bigger problem with the cute USB dongle. I am looking more for a blade or a big box that really pumps the hashes out. What are people going to do, try and have 30+ of these hanging off a PC? It is almost as if the USB dongles are meant for 'casual' miners to just plug in their laptop while they are on the go.

muyuu

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+1 Interested.

I'd rather participate in a group buy from the UK than getting 300 units for myself. But I can pony up the 600 BTC if nobody joins.

It also depends on the expected delivery date though. Difficulty is going nowhere but up.

Considering that, the price point might be too steep soon.

arklan

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Quote from: John (John K.) on May 04, 2013, 10:11:37 AM

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:08:16 AM

i get what the goal is: wholesale to others who will then sale at "retail." that's a perfectly reasonable thing and the 300 minimum order isn't a big deal. avalon's chips are 10,000 chips minimum order, after all. same thing.

now, the 1.99 btc price? that's an entirely different matter. even with immediate delivery vs. waiting months, 300 mhash vs 5 ghash (and whatever power difference) is an obvious choice, and it's not in AM's favor.

It still makes sense when you factor in how much FOGA's been going currently.

assuming you mean FPGA john, then yea, this is true. but that's not longer the compare point, is it? bfl's shipping, slowly, yes, but shipping. thus those are a competing option, just with a waiting list. also there's the huge number of avalon chips which have been sold. supposedly those will be shipping by june, with DIY or other hardware being made by forum members (burnin comes to mind) ready to go quickly after that. FPGA's aren't a relevant comparison anymore.

gigabytecoin

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Congrats on getting them released! I have been waiting for this post for some time now. Mainly because I heard a rumour that you would be charging ~$40 per miner.

The pricing is the biggest disappointment for myself personally.

At 1.99 BTC, and a conservative estimate of 20M difficulty over the next year, it will take me 352 days to recoup the 1.99 BTC cost.

It difficulty averages 40M during that time, it will take two years to recoup your investment.

John (John K.)

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Away on an extended break

Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 10:08:16 AM

i get what the goal is: wholesale to others who will then sale at "retail." that's a perfectly reasonable thing and the 300 minimum order isn't a big deal. avalon's chips are 10,000 chips minimum order, after all. same thing.

now, the 1.99 btc price? that's an entirely different matter. even with immediate delivery vs. waiting months, 300 mhash vs 5 ghash (and whatever power difference) is an obvious choice, and it's not in AM's favor.

It still makes sense when you factor in how much FOGA's been going currently.

arklan

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i get what the goal is: wholesale to others who will then sale at "retail." that's a perfectly reasonable thing and the 300 minimum order isn't a big deal. avalon's chips are 10,000 chips minimum order, after all. same thing.

now, the 1.99 btc price? that's an entirely different matter. even with immediate delivery vs. waiting months, 300 mhash vs 5 ghash (and whatever power difference) is an obvious choice, and it's not in AM's favor.

Xialla

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/dev/null

Quote from: rxw on May 04, 2013, 10:05:43 AM

Quote from: erschiessen on May 04, 2013, 10:00:40 AM

Awesome product.
Unfortunately, your price point is, to be blunt, retarded.

What a convincing argument you've made, thanks for your wonderful contribution to this thread

he is right..stop trolling and tell us, why you think that it is good pricing/selling model (300pcs/order) - for end-user device.

rxw

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Quote from: erschiessen on May 04, 2013, 10:00:40 AM

Awesome product.
Unfortunately, your price point is, to be blunt, retarded.

What a convincing argument you've made, thanks for your wonderful contribution to this thread

Xialla

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/dev/null

Quote from: erschiessen on May 04, 2013, 10:00:40 AM

Awesome product.
Unfortunately, your price point is, to be blunt, retarded.

yes, and also minimum 300pcs/order is little bit stupid.) I expect, that it is final product, not like ASIC chips, so don't see any reason, why it will be send in hundreds per order.

10pcs minumum and price about 1BTC and you will have huge demand. your terms only leads to group buy and resending units between forum members.

otherwise, don't think, that you will be successful with you current policy.

erschiessen

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Awesome product.
Unfortunately, your price point is, to be blunt, retarded.

turtle83

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Supersonic

Quote from: Silfax on May 04, 2013, 09:51:28 AM

Would it run on a Raspberry Pi?

I don't see why not. My goal is to run it on raspi

Quote from: Silfax on May 04, 2013, 09:51:28 AM

What if I would only like 1-2? Am I screwed?

Small ppl like us we need to wait for the retail sellers (or group buy arrangements).

needbmw

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friedcat,

Will you sell chips like Avalon?

cypherdoc

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that's extraordinary.

Silfax

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I would really like to get a hold of one of these - two questions:

Would it run on a Raspberry Pi?

What if I would only like 1-2? Am I screwed?

Thanks.

Wepp

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Quote from: arklan on May 04, 2013, 09:38:40 AM

fixed price of 1.99 btc per unit? as a shareholder, i can embrace this. as a miner with barely 330 mhash and less then 1 btc, i am saddened.

+1

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