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legendary
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May 04, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
I would really like to get a hold of one of these - two questions:

Would it run on a Raspberry Pi?

What if I would only like 1-2? Am I screwed?

Thanks.

I understand the Pi has issues delivering a full 500mA on its USB port, so you will probably need to use a powered USB hub, or need to modify the Pi to fix its power delivery issue.

Otherwise I don't see why it wouldn't work.
member
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May 04, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
2BTC for 300MH is still too much, even for the average geek who are not expected to be too deep into mining... 2BTC is 200 bucks for a tiny 300mh unit.

If it was 30 or 40 bucks for 300MH, then that would make more sense, for the casual user and those who want to really get into mining. I don't expect some random kid with a macbookpro to drop 200-300bucks for something like this.

I guess I am going to lose this mind war

You do know that ROI on mining is a moving target right??  this is not some mp3player

if it was as cheap as you say right now, it would be sold out in minutes.. so what does that tell you?  Raise the price.
ASICminer is making profit for their shareholders.   I think this price is fine IF they ship small orders directly to buyers.



You're exactly right.

I posted this in a group-buy thread, but since I think so highly of my own opinion I'll quote it here:

You can put me down for 10 in your group buy. I am also buying 300 myself for re-sale.

These are the devices that are going to keep Bitcoin decentralized. If we end up with ASICMINER doing all the hashing themselves, maybe competing with a few other massive farms, the entire P2P concept is out the window.

These allow the average user to keep mining Bitcoin with their personal computers. Selling 10,000 of these will put 3,000,000 MH/s back in the hands of the small-time miners and hobbyists, and more importantly keep them out of the hands of centralized farms and large corporations. BTC will be almost useless if all the mining becomes centralized.

People who think that an investment paying off in 10-12 months is terrible are delusional. Take your chances with BFLs $200 5 GH vapourware, see how that works out for you. You won't have it by Christmas if you order today. Meanwhile, myself and everyone I know will be plugging in these bad boys before JUNE.   Cool

Those who were hoping to pay $50 and make a massive profit instantly... I don't feel sorry for you. That's not how business works. ASICMINER doesn't need to sell these for what they earn in two months because they aren't trying to get pre-orders to fund their project... they have already done that and are ready to ship. There is no risk for the end customer, they will get their 300 MH/s right away.

If you wanted to make 10x returns on your BTC, you should have taken the risk and invested in ASICMINER's IPO. You can't expect a successful company to give away products for far less than what people are willing to pay for them.


Also, I fail to understand anyone doing calculations that involve a BTC exchange rate. These are priced in Bitcoins, and they earn Bitcoins. The BTC/USD price fluctuations shouldn't make a difference.
member
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May 04, 2013, 04:57:32 PM
Cool.

Let me know whom I can buy some off retail.
legendary
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May 04, 2013, 04:43:43 PM
I don't see this making sense for consumers, only ASICMiner
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Total realistic ROI of 140% after 2 years.


Put that into perspective. If you were to buy stock of a mature company (zero growth potential) that just paid out say, an 8% dividend, that'd probably be considered a really good deal. And it would take more than 12 years to get 100% ROI.

These devices seem nicely priced. Yes, it's aggressive relative to ROI numbers that have been achieved in the past with some bitcoin investments, but you guys have to acknowledge that the space is maturing, and that means longer payback periods (but hopefully less risk too). Furthermore, AM delivers; the risk with them is one of the lowest in the bictoin space.

So, while I wish they were cheaper for selfish reasons, I do think they'll sell at this price. If not, I'm sure AM will drop the price until they do sell.
full member
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May 04, 2013, 04:16:03 PM
Poetry:

Stupid Name
Stupid Price
A Gee Whiz Device

A Fool sees it
Says, "I gotta have it.."
He would do better giving the BTC to Pirate.*

*Pirateat40

Brilliant!
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 04:14:36 PM

This seems about right for retail cost, it seems a bit expensive at wholesale. Ideally, I'd like to see about a 1.5 btc wholesale cost.


Can we get ASICminer to comment on either lowering the bulk 300 price or shipping small orders directly to users?


sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 04:05:24 PM
Poetry:

Stupid Name
Stupid Price
A Gee Whiz Device

A Fool sees it
Says, "I gotta have it.."
He would do better giving the BTC to Pirate.*

*Pirateat40
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 04:03:50 PM
For ROI calculations, I ignore the exchange rate and use this simplified formula - It's not exact, but it's a quick way to do it:

Cost = 1.99 btc

Network Hash Rate = 78,000 Gh/s

My hash rate = .3 Gh/s

My Share of the Network = .3 / 78,000

Blocks found / day = 144

Block Reward = 25

Therefore, i will earn:

.3 / 78,000 * 144 * 25 = 0.013846154 BTC / day.

My ROI in days:

ROI (in days) = 1.99 / 0.013846154 = 144 days. about 4 3/4 months.

This doesn't consider an increase in network hash rate, which I estimate will cut profits in half every month until October. Considering difficulty increases the ROI is a little longer than 1 year.

This seems about right for retail cost, it seems a bit expensive at wholesale. Ideally, I'd like to see about a 1.5 btc wholesale cost.
legendary
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Bitcoin calls me an Orphan
May 04, 2013, 04:02:39 PM


This batch will be given away to miners, fans and hardware/software developers made the assignments to us long before. It has some issues working with cgminer, but the modular python miner works fine. We will fix this in the first mass production batch (Sapphire). It also exceeds a bit of the USB spec of max current (560mA vs <500mA), but in our experiment most devices (PC, laptop) could power it up.



Id like to post this up on http://www.btcmu.info as a little article.
hero member
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May 04, 2013, 03:49:11 PM

This batch will be given away to miners, fans and hardware/software developers made the assignments to us long before. It has some issues working with cgminer, but the modular python miner works fine. We will fix this in the first mass production batch (Sapphire). It also exceeds a bit of the USB spec of max current (560mA vs <500mA), but in our experiment most devices (PC, laptop) could power it up.

I would like to suggest that you should consider sending some units to DrHaribo, the pool op of bitminter. He has from time to time partnered with vendors to raffle off goods in "mint races". I myself donated my goods to one such event. He has developed the by far the most easy to use mining software, the bitminter java client. He would undoutably whip up support for the units in said client.
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
I don't see this making sense for consumers, only ASICMiner. I bought my 10-12GH [call it 10] blades at 50.5 [call it 50], and they consume 70-85W [call it 100]. Assume lock in btc @ $100. Great density, low additional costs and IMMEDIATE global shipping.
So my blades were 2MH/$
And were 100MH/W

These USB miners are ~3W, 300MH, 2btc, low density.
1.5MH/$
And 100MH/W

So these USB miners aren't far off the blades in value, however their density isn't great. The shipping time will really effect the profitability, and I'm only expecting these blades to hit ROI after ~250 days. Total realistic ROI of 140% after 2 years.

only one thing you forget, minimum buy is 300 and it is 570 btc, at current rate btc @100 usd it is 57000 usd.

Still cost less then GPU farms
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
May 04, 2013, 03:37:11 PM
I don't see this making sense for consumers, only ASICMiner. I bought my 10-12GH [call it 10] blades at 50.5 [call it 50], and they consume 70-85W [call it 100]. Assume lock in btc @ $100. Great density, low additional costs and IMMEDIATE global shipping.
So my blades were 2MH/$
And were 100MH/W

These USB miners are ~3W, 300MH, 2btc, low density.
1.5MH/$
And 100MH/W

So these USB miners aren't far off the blades in value, however their density isn't great. The shipping time will really effect the profitability, and I'm only expecting these blades to hit ROI after ~250 days. Total realistic ROI of 140% after 2 years.
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 03:33:49 PM
2BTC for 300MH is still too much, even for the average geek who are not expected to be too deep into mining... 2BTC is 200 bucks for a tiny 300mh unit.

If it was 30 or 40 bucks for 300MH, then that would make more sense, for the casual user and those who want to really get into mining. I don't expect some random kid with a macbookpro to drop 200-300bucks for something like this.

I guess I am going to lose this mind war

You do know that ROI on mining is a moving target right??  this is not some mp3player

if it was as cheap as you say right now, it would be sold out in minutes.. so what does that tell you?  Raise the price.
ASICminer is making profit for their shareholders.   I think this price is fine IF they ship small orders directly to buyers.
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Finding Satoshi
May 04, 2013, 03:30:25 PM
2BTC for 300MH is still too much, even for the average geek who are not expected to be too deep into mining... 2BTC is 200 bucks for a tiny 300mh unit.

If it was 30 or 40 bucks for 300MH, then that would make more sense, for the casual user and those who want to really get into mining. I don't expect some random kid with a macbookpro to drop 200-300bucks for something like this.
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 03:15:33 PM
Its great but at 2 btc each its well overpriced. I would  get 10-20 at 1btc or maybe a bit more but at the current price it  feels like not a good deal. I get all the arguments about it being portable, nice looking and drawing less power, but that doesn't  justify the 2btc price in my opinion. I don't think that all the components and that tiny pcb cost more than $30-$40 to put together, its very likely its way below that so again I cant justify 2btc price tag. It would be nice if AM could rethink their pricing. That is just my opinion.

everyone is thinking of themselves as the only buyer.. lol

yes a ton of people would go after these at .5-1btc which would drive the price up right?

My only criticism is that ASICminer should ship small orders directly at this price, not force a big groupbuy.  This is a retail price and should be handled as such.

sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 03:12:36 PM

I think this will do well with the well heeled old coin crowd who likes the idea of novelty items.  Call me skeptical but I think that is a small market.

Good luck to AsicMiner though... they have been on a roll lately

Did you see how much the 10Gh auctions went for?

These will have higher supply, but an easier acceptance threshold so a wider potential of adopters

Let's see how the first group buy goes.  ASICminer isn't trying to be a wholesaler here, they have their shareholders.. so consider this a retail price.

 
full member
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May 04, 2013, 03:07:36 PM
Its great but at 2 btc each its well overpriced. I would  get 10-20 at 1btc or maybe a bit more but at the current price it  feels like not a good deal. I get all the arguments about it being portable, nice looking and drawing less power, but that doesn't  justify the 2btc price in my opinion. I don't think that all the components and that tiny pcb cost more than $30-$40 to put together, its very likely its way below that so again I cant justify 2btc price tag. It would be nice if AM could rethink their pricing. That is just my opinion.
legendary
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May 04, 2013, 03:03:01 PM
cant i p2p-pool with this and earn some altcoins as i go?
newbie
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May 04, 2013, 02:59:24 PM
I've killed all led in my reach. From sat receiver over PC to smartphone dock... Wink
Shocked Why is that?

Oh, but if they are bright blue LEDs, especially if they flash, then that's really cool. Circuit designers had to wait so long for blue LEDs to become cheap that we should be happy to get as many of them as possible, per dollars spent on electronics.
sr. member
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May 04, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
So... they are meant to compete with GPUs?

The same GPUs that everyone is saying will be obsolete and will be leaving the mining market for litecoin?

I think the serious miners would rather take the 2 BTC...
1.3Btc on 16 avalon chips...
.1BTC on BKKCoin's PCB
~.6BTC on a fab to assemble
 
and have 4.5 GHs  for the same price (albeit in Sept or Oct).
I venture to say... it would be better to have 4.5Ghs in October than 300Mhs in mid May.

I think this will do well with the well heeled old coin crowd who likes the idea of novelty items.  Call me skeptical but I think that is a small market.

Good luck to AsicMiner though... they have been on a roll lately
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