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hero member
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June 17, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
BFL is crap, I better get a KnCMiner Jupiter. 350 GHs baby!

I would want to see a working prototype on youtube with a bitcoin dev pulling less than 5w G/H before put down any money on these. It would need to pull less than 1.75KW to compete with BFL.

M
full member
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June 17, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Yeah, or Avalons units made the Hashrate jump. So far I heard that only first 3 days of Jalapenos are shipped, which makes it what? 10 units? Is there a thread of the current number of shipped BFLs?
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 01:05:34 PM
Lol, funny read. BFL isn't shipping. Buying them is nuts. So far only ASICminer seems to have shipped ASICs on mass.

Not on demand (thank god!) but pre orders are shipping and they are slowly catching up, and this is well documented. Even some bigger units are moving now too. It's no coincidence that network hashrate is 139 TH now and difficulty has jumped from 11m to 19m in the last 4 weeks. Funny enough the same timeframe BFL started shipping back orders!

M

full member
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June 17, 2013, 01:03:50 PM
BFL is crap, I better get a KnCMiner Jupiter. 350 GHs baby!
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 12:57:31 PM
So far only ASICminer seems to have shipped ASICs on mass.
So what, if you can't make a profit with them?

Shares go up, that's what is important mate, screw the ROI  Grin

If ASICminer have no current future development for chips with less power use than BFL you should dump these to a greater fool sooner rather than later because as soon as ASIC miner products are losing money compared with energy used to hash BTC, maybe around the end of the year, then these shares will be worthless almost overnight.

M
legendary
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Duelbits.com
June 17, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
So far only ASICminer seems to have shipped ASICs on mass.
So what, if you can't make a profit with them?

Shares go up, that's what is important mate, screw the ROI  Grin
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June 17, 2013, 11:17:41 AM
Lol, funny read. BFL isn't shipping. Buying them is nuts. So far only ASICminer seems to have shipped ASICs on mass.
hero member
Activity: 532
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June 17, 2013, 10:12:04 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"

You do realise that 800 million difficulty is less than six doublings from 19,339,258 right?

And with difficulty growth @ 33% a month (or more!) difficulty is doubling pretty much every three months.

I will let you work out the maths of how many months six doublings will take  Wink

M

Sure, but you are asuming the increase will be 33% every month? How would it. The ROI nearly all devices would be negative, so who would buy them?

The ASIC's received earliest with the low energy use per G/H will keep going, all Avalons and ASICminers will stop.

This will only leave BFL customers who got miners now and in the next 2-3 months going, unless someone launches something lower power per G/H.

Then people will pile into that too.

Eventually unless the surviving ASIC manufacturers limit supply onto the market to match hashrate (thus controlling difficultly increases) then it will all go pop.

And the reason is humans are dumb and gready and don't understand the exponential function. This same scenario has happened in every market ever traded.

And BTC rise in $$$ won't stop it. Hashrate will keep rising to eat up the $$$ until the bubble pops.

We have less than two years until this happens. And it will happen. Anyone buying anything other than BFL currently is nuts.

M
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June 17, 2013, 10:00:20 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"

You do realise that 800 million difficulty is less than six doublings from 19,339,258 right?

And with difficulty growth @ 33% a month (or more!) difficulty is doubling pretty much every three months.

I will let you work out the maths of how many months six doublings will take  Wink

M

Sure, but you are asuming the increase will be 33% every month? How would it. The ROI nearly all devices would be negative, so who would buy them?
legendary
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Nighty Night Don't Let The Trolls Bite Nom Nom Nom
June 17, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
When are you going to ship single products? I'd be very interested in getting some because this looks great for someone casual, ordering 300 isn't very realistic for someone like me and I want to actually own the product rather than share it.

why not look for someone selling singles? pretty sure my signature can help you out
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 08:43:49 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function"

You do realise that 800 million difficulty is less than six doublings from 19,339,258 right?

And with difficulty growth @ 33% a month (or more!) difficulty is doubling pretty much every three months.

I will let you work out the maths of how many months six doublings will take  Wink

M
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 08:14:13 AM
When are you going to ship single products? I'd be very interested in getting some because this looks great for someone casual, ordering 300 isn't very realistic for someone like me and I want to actually own the product rather than share it.
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
June 17, 2013, 06:46:12 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?

exactly - these devices are probably only not  good for mining alt coins anything at by this point. SHA256 alt coins particularly only.

Corrected that for you.
Corrected it further.

You are correct, I beg you pardon.

That's the harsh reality.

BTW, are you really in contact with KnC miner for the development of cgminer for Jupiter and Saturn? Can you update us on the timeline if it's true? And sorry for the off-topic.
Yes they contacted us. No I don't know what stage they're up to.
hero member
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Bitgoblin
June 17, 2013, 06:45:36 AM
That's setup in the photo will probably cost you well over $14,000 and has a total lower net hash than a BFL little single $1,299.
Actually BFL hashpower is exactly ZERO until they ship, which likely will never happen for most units.
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 06:44:55 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?

exactly - these devices are probably only not  good for mining alt coins anything at by this point. SHA256 alt coins particularly only.

Corrected that for you.
Corrected it further.

You are correct, I beg you pardon.

That's the harsh reality.

BTW, are you really in contact with KnC miner for the development of cgminer for Jupiter and Saturn? Can you update us on the timeline if it's true? And sorry for the off-topic.
-ck
legendary
Activity: 4088
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Ruu \o/
June 17, 2013, 06:41:12 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?

exactly - these devices are probably only not  good for mining alt coins anything at by this point. SHA256 alt coins particularly only.

Corrected that for you.
Corrected it further.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
June 17, 2013, 06:38:44 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?

exactly - these devices are probably only good for mining alt coins by this point. SHA256 alt coins particularly only.

Corrected that for you.
legendary
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Merit: 1018
HoneybadgerOfMoney.com Weed4bitcoin.com
June 17, 2013, 06:35:20 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?

exactly - these devices are probably only good for mining alt coins by this point. SHA256 alt coins particularly.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
June 17, 2013, 02:26:33 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
With a break-even of what, 800 years?
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
June 17, 2013, 01:28:26 AM
As long as the difficulty is lower than 800 million (assuming a btc/USD price of 100$), those devices make profit.
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