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Topic: Announcing ProzCoin : Proof of Action (PoA) - page 33. (Read 78513 times)

uki
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
cryptojunk bag holder
September 05, 2014, 09:50:08 AM
ALL PROZCOIN HAS BEEN PURCHASED!!!

ICO HAS SOLD OUT!!!


 Grin

Chris
Well, that is quite a feat to finish all 2 days ahead of schedule. Looking forward to start the trading to see where we are and if market buys the coin.
newbie
Activity: 44
Merit: 0
September 05, 2014, 09:31:30 AM
Bummer, I found this coin last night but didn't have a CCEX account, was going to make one this AM and purchase some, but now it's gone. Good luck to all those who invested.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 09:24:57 AM
ALL PROZCOIN HAS BEEN PURCHASED!!!

ICO HAS SOLD OUT!!!


 Grin

Chris
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 08:23:39 AM

Early investors are promised an OPTION of trading the coin for an asset once actual assets are issued.  

Chris

Oh, cute.

Well, why don't you take all of that knowledge that you seemed impelled to inform me of, and look up an attorney. It's easy to do online or even the good old Yellow Pages. See if they think that you putting the word "option" in capital letters exonerates you the way you think it does.

 

We already have consulted an attorney brother.  I was simply explaining that we are aware of the laws concerning securities fraud, and we don't believe that many people in crypto are actually following the rules.  I am not trying to explain to "you" because I don't think you understand, I am explaining why we did what we did.


So when the SEC does an audit of 2014 for the entire crypto community, which they most likely will do, we will have complied with all the US laws, so our community/company will be protected from persecution OR prosecution by the US government.

Chris
sr. member
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September 05, 2014, 08:14:47 AM

Early investors are promised an OPTION of trading the coin for an asset once actual assets are issued.  

Chris

Oh, cute.

Well, why don't you take all of that knowledge that you seemed impelled to inform me of, and look up an attorney. It's easy to do online or even the good old Yellow Pages. See if they think that you putting the word "option" in capital letters exonerates you the way you think it does.

 
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 07:59:47 AM

What in the world are you quoting me for? I never said anything about "promising returns". Furthermore, I even mentioned a risk/reward basis -- please look up what that means.

I am unsure how you are, on the one hand, seemingly implying that I am concerned with "old paradigms" and yet, on the other hand assuring me that something would be "highly illegal". It seems to me that it is you comparing this to "old paradigms". How could something such as your project which "resides with the entities whom the innovators are looking to replace" simultaneously be just another investment in which it would be "highly illegal" to do something?

If this is just a crowd-funding operation than that should really be in the op. Right now, the op really does make quite a few "promises". One of which is that early investors will receive an asset (your coin) in exchange for money. Crowd-funding makes no such promises.

Finally, just stop with the new age vibe. You want money for a project. That "paradigm" has been around for thousands of years. You wanting money for another crypto coin doesn't make it some new, extra important idea that transcends all men who have trod before you.  

I was linking an article that I wrote addressing crossing the mass adoption threshold, and highlighted a paragraph that concerns addressing how to repay investors without breaking the law.

Early investors are promised an OPTION of trading the coin for an asset once actual assets are issued.  

We are developing hardware that doesn't yet exist, and if you read through the literature, you will see that the "coin" is just a small part of the overall project.

I don't know what you mean about a "new age" vibe.  I have Master's degree in Telecommunications, a Bachelor's in Psychology, and have full on worked in an fMRI lab.  I have been a literal "lab coat scientist".  Here is a paper that I co-authored when I was working in the lab:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2577936/



If you read the full article about mass adoption that I previously posted and the Proof of Action white paper, you will see that we were able to generate over 6,000 entries into our campaign in less than 3 days.  Proof of action is not only unique, but we have demonstrable "proof" that it works.

https://gleam.io/Y2FI3/prozcoin-proof-of-action

6521 entries and counting!


Chris
hero member
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September 05, 2014, 07:23:38 AM
The Coin Proz team has decided that if there are any unsold coins from the ICO that ends Sunday September 7th at 12:00 Eastern the coins will be burned.  This is at request from the community.  We feel this will be the correct decision as well.

good choice
sr. member
Activity: 284
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 07:08:03 AM
uki
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
cryptojunk bag holder
September 05, 2014, 06:24:45 AM
Please re-tweet to help let Coin Market Cap to list PROZ.

https://twitter.com/coinproz/status/507843291300130817
done.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 06:05:19 AM
Well, I see from the OP that not only will investors not be receiving any of the extra coins that may (or may not) be available if the ICO does not sell out, but they won't even be destroyed to shrink the float. I moved some BTC to C-Cex to purchase, but will now just wait to see how it goes on the open market. It was already a little pricey, in my opinion, but that really seals it.

I sometimes wonder what developers are thinking. The whole idea of raising money is to make it as attractive as possible for early investors. This not only makes it a fairer deal, on a risk/reward basis, for the potential investor, but it can also drive demand. This demand in turn gives the new issue (a coin in this case) a sense of high demand and momentum heading into its launch. This is not some revelation that I have made up or some griping out of thin air from someone who invests, it is the time honored way that money is raised. There is a reason that investment bankers purposely try to price a new stock below what they think it should trade at. And obviously, it sure ain't because they want to make less money.

For the record, promising returns from an ICO is technically illegal if you are not registered with FinCEN, so anyone who does an ICO and promises returns could be breaking the law.  That is why when we issue shares in Coin Proz, we will accept ProzCoin for shares.  That way early investors get the incentive of being able to trade for actual assets which DO promise returns, but as I said doing that with an ICO could potentially be highly illegal.  We had covered it earlier in the thread, but I had written an article that address the Oculus Rift debacle:

http://thecoinfront.com/iculture-marketing-the-individual-to-the-masses/

"A recent example that has spurned crowd-funding enthusiasts is the acquisition of “Oculus Rift” by Facebook for $2 billion USD after the project was created from crowd funding. After over 10,000 people invested in the project, the large acquisition yielded them nothing but “sincere thank yous” and “t-shirts”. While it can be debated whether the original investors are legally owed any dividends from the sale to Facebook, it seems clear that Facebook will receive most of the credit for the project’s success. It seems there is a paradox within counter-cultural movements to try and move away from old paradigms, but simultaneously needing the validation of the culture from which they are trying to move away.

Within the crypto-currency community, one example of this would be the largely held desire to move away from the central banking system, and the simultaneous desire to attract “Wall Street” investors to give digital currency legitimacy. On the one hand, the technological innovators want to create new systems to replace the old ones, but conversely they need start-up capital which often resides with the entities whom the innovators are looking to replace. "


Also, if there are a few coins left at the end of the ICO, we have considered the burn as an option. 

Chris
uki
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
cryptojunk bag holder
September 05, 2014, 05:42:59 AM
The Proof of Action has gone much faster than we anticipated.  We will end the contest in 5 minutes because we have went way over the 100,000 that we slotted for the giveaway. 
nice to hear that there are many people on board!
sr. member
Activity: 284
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 02:29:47 AM
Well, I see from the OP that not only will investors not be receiving any of the extra coins that may (or may not) be available if the ICO does not sell out, but they won't even be destroyed to shrink the float. I moved some BTC to C-Cex to purchase, but will now just wait to see how it goes on the open market. It was already a little pricey, in my opinion, but that really seals it.

I sometimes wonder what developers are thinking. The whole idea of raising money is to make it as attractive as possible for early investors. This not only makes it a fairer deal, on a risk/reward basis, for the potential investor, but it can also drive demand. This demand in turn gives the new issue (a coin in this case) a sense of high demand and momentum heading into its launch. This is not some revelation that I have made up or some griping out of thin air from someone who invests, it is the time honored way that money is raised. There is a reason that investment bankers purposely try to price a new stock below what they think it should trade at. And obviously, it sure ain't because they want to make less money.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 04, 2014, 08:33:07 PM
nice story
i like this quote  its selling like ganja at a Bob Marley concert.
 Grin

Yes, Juan has a way with words Cheesy


Chris
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 04, 2014, 04:54:05 PM
I finally found a coin that has something fresh but when I try to claim free coins I get notice "Sorry, this promotion is not available in your region". Can I ask you why do you exclude some counties?

Can you tell me which country you are located in?  We have tried to close it to certain regions due to SPAM postings.  I have now lifted it to include every region.

There is a lot of SPAM that has picked up on PoA.  We are on top of it and will disqualify them from earning Proz.

I am from Slovenia. Yes now I see what actions are available so I can participate.  Thank you for disabling restriction for my country!
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
September 04, 2014, 01:56:17 PM
I finally found a coin that has something fresh but when I try to claim free coins I get notice "Sorry, this promotion is not available in your region". Can I ask you why do you exclude some counties?
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
September 04, 2014, 12:51:44 PM
nice story
i like this quote  its selling like ganja at a Bob Marley concert.
 Grin
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 04, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Please show the address of the other coins in the announce OP, for anyone to check it.

http://www.svallet.info/addr/1PRozi3UhpXtC4kZtPD1nfCFXJkXrV27Wp

Balance=   70878994.00000004

Cheesy


Chris
if ico is 20 million
where is the other 10 million
was 100 million total right 70 million left  20 illion ico
help me with the algebra please

1PRozi3UhpXtC4kZtPD1nfCFXJkXrV27Wp   78878994.00000004

Everything is accountable for, as funds have always been monitorable

8 million was being held by Tim from the testing etc from mid august:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xKoe6GnLByJYQTFGPTtpDcZcBWDl5tKGOa1P7-WtiMk/edit#gid=0

He is still holding some to initiate first proof of action payouts when ICO ends.


Chris
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
September 04, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
Please show the address of the other coins in the announce OP, for anyone to check it.

http://www.svallet.info/addr/1PRozi3UhpXtC4kZtPD1nfCFXJkXrV27Wp

Balance=   70878994.00000004

Cheesy


Chris
if ico is 20 million
where is the other 10 million
was 100 million total right 70 million left  20 illion ico
help me with the algebra please
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1001
September 04, 2014, 10:12:23 AM
i like the burning one reminds me of home Cool
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
September 04, 2014, 08:39:52 AM
Over 2,100 Entries in the first 24 hours!!! 

https://gleam.io/Y2FI3/prozcoin-proof-of-action



The best part about Proof of Action is that we can demonstrably PROVE that we have had 2100 entries of real people willing to advertise for us for Prozcoin.

https://c-cex.com/?p=proz-btc

ICO has about 6 million coins left!  Don't miss out at 300 Satoshi!

We have figured out the strategy to cross the Mass Adoption Threshold, and we can prove it Smiley


Chris
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