Topic: [ANN][rICO]Antshares Blockchain Mainnet is ONLINE! - page 115. (Read 1300578 times)

mh???
i claimed my coins and they were sent to the address i am holding the private key  - and still holding.

till today i do not understand why we first have to create another new address ( the address where the coins get lost ), before the ans where sent to my ico address.
for the ico address i am still holding my privatekey ( and it is backed up ).
i did not see the necessity why i should have keep a privatekey ( where could i have found it???) for something that i never planned to use ( the deleted address ).
i took part in several ico's so far, but never before it was so complicated to get coins from an ico and control them after claiming/ transferring them.
( lisk, waves, peerplays, blockpay, stratis.... )
quite a lot of people are just amateurs in the world of crypto - not experts, but they are prepared to invest their money in ico's - knowing that they can loose their money.
it is not the fact that i might loose this money, it is the way how it happens....
and it as you told us - ans team is planing to change something in the future... but this is to late for me!!!

Ok, now that you stated you sent some coins out, it sounds like the "change" issue - you sent coins out, the "change" was returned to a new address in your wallet which you then deleted without having backed up the private key for the change address.

So without the private key, you need to recover that deleted wallet or your coins are lost. If you "shredded" it meaning the file was overwritten, then the wallet is most likely gone for good.

I'd like to point out that this is not a "bug" or an error on the part of the Antshares dev - the Antshares wallet operates in the same way as a Bitcoin wallet with change addresses. However, if the user is unaware of this it can lead to lost coins (the devs reported it already happened to someone else), They also stated they will be changing this feature in a future wallet release.

Okay, so what happened here is:
- You claimed 19705 to AP6MFQsVZ61vjL7sWbZaN4FfGLWUwedgMB (ICO address).
- You sent 5 to APeaegpDyceav7BaecxeNJYHoBx6pjSxHy (Bittrex address). When you did that it seems the remaining ANS (the 19700) were automatically transferred to the address that was created with the wallet (which is AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5, your deleted address), so, from your first transfer your ICO address was emptied.
- You then sent 9700. The ANS went from AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5 to APeaegpDyceav7BaecxeNJYHoBx6pjSxHy. (and 10000 were sent from AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5 to AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5 i.e. didn't move).
- At that time AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5 (deleted address) had 10000 and APeaegpDyceav7BaecxeNJYHoBx6pjSxHy (Bittrex address) had 9705.
- Now, the Bittrex address balance is 5 (9700 were transferred somewhere, maybe sold?) and the deleted address balance is 10000.

So, it seems that when one transfers ANS from an address imported in the wallet (in your case the ICO address), the remaining ANS are transferred to the first address of the wallet (the deleted address).

Everybody should make sure to store the private keys of all their addresses, in case something like that happens.

As for recovering, simply put, getting a private key based on an address is impossible. The only hope you have is to recover your wallet file.

i have already find out how and when they moved. it is more important to get to know WHO has moved the coins to the deleted address.
i claimed my coins to this address: AP6MFQsVZ61vjL7sWbZaN4FfGLWUwedgMB
from this address i sent for testing 5 coins and then 9700 coins to my bittrex address.
the rest remains at the ico address.

then the rest was moved to this address:  AcMXS3fwrqY4kLDH98NcmH699966jHLGw5
this address/wallet was shreded. and now the coins are still in this address and i can see them at antcha.
 
but nobody is able to sent these coins back to my wallet.

if there is somebody out there who can bring these coins back - i will reward him for his work....

it seems not be impossible...

I guess this will take some time before it will be added, for most exchanges the current volume of antcoin is too low at the moment, maybe it will be added in a couple of months.

Each address has an associated private key. You have the private key associated with your ICO address, however this one has 0 ANS so you are able to import it but you have 0.

Your ANS are on another address of which you don't have the private key, so you can not import it.

If you recover the wallet file, then there is no need for private keys, everything is stored in it. (you just need your password)

And to know why/when/how the funds moved, you can try tracking the transactions to and from your ICO address and the address you deleted. As CjMapope suggested you can copy/paste the ANS addresses so that we can help with that (unless you don't want to make your balance public).

ya the real question is why it MOVED to begin with , your right :/

whats the public ANS address ? lets see where it went (make sure you weren't hacked and it went to polo or something)
the privkey will i believe be the one thats starts with an "L"

When antcoin to be in enxchange?

well, the fact that for unknown reason my ans went from my ico address to the first created one makes me a little bit sad and helpless - i have done nothing wrong.
for me the only address i was looking at was the ico address.at the time i shreded it the balance was "0". so at that moment i deleted a address/wallet with nothing to loose.
the only big mistake was shreding the wallet. but i did this after nearly 1.000 fruitless attempts to open my wallet.

yes, indeed it is  quite worth to recover the wallet....

what private key are you talking about? all the time i have used only one privatekey - the one we received at the ico.
even if the wallet could be recovered - i have no other privatekey.

ya, if that's what happened your right. :/ his ONLY chance is to recover that wallet file importing even with recovery methods will just give 0 balance
ya man, even google up a data recovery program or take it to a shop if need be. (if the amount of ANS is worth it)

Ok. So, if I understand correctly, for some unknown reason your ANS went from your ICO address to the address that was added when you first created the wallet.
What you experience makes sense then: On one hand, you don't have the private key of the deleted address (the one that now holds your ANS) so you can not import it, on the other hand you have the private key of your ICO address (which is empty), that explains the balance being 0 when you import it.
Unfortunately, it seems the only solution is to try to recover your wallet file, as I've never done that, I can't advise on a software, you can search the web for "data recovery" and see what you get. Having said that, as you talked earlier about shreding, I don't know if there's still a chance of recovering it ... I hope it works out.

hey hey you may want to try the method i posted earlier, its the one i have used to import users key for them

i offered to do it for you, but it's TOTALLY cool if you don't trust your priv key given out, that's the best policy in crypto!

1: fresh sync from block one with NO wallet imported
2: create wallet, import key to it
3: "rebuild database" with wallet loaded and full synced.
4: Poof, TX appears! (and they usually have between 40k-90k confirms, so it's def a bug :/ )

Have you considered taking it to a local shop for digital recovery of the actual wallet file? that may be an option:)

i hope you can recover it! would be a shame to lose your coins, but alas, i think every user has lost some coins along the way by "human error" (usually destroyed wallets/keys)
so its a lesson we all learn, just some with bigger losses than others :/
Best of Luck!

where can i find this recovery data???

the ans-team told me, that the claimed ans were/are in the wallet that was first created. when i claimed my ans the were to the right address - that one we received during the ico. how they came to the deleted address - nobody knows. i still don't know how to sent ans from one wallet to another.
my remaining ans are in the deleted first created address. i see the address and i see the ans at antcha. i have been told that antcha has nothing to with the ans-team. "antcha is a read-only blockchain explorer, not even made by our team it's a community work".

This is very odd indeed. As you say, normally the address created when you first create a wallet isn't supposed to hold ANS (unless you transferred them to it explicitely ...). So is your remaining ANS (those that you didn' transfer to Bittrex) on your ICO address or on another address (on antcha)? If they are on your ICO address (the one that you hold the private key for), I don't understand why it wouldn't be possible to import it once again ...

Thank you and

okay. but i am from germany and it is really not easy to understand all the technical terms used in the world of crpto...
maybe i will find somebody to recover my ans....

i wonder if anybody noticed this:

there is only 176 BTC of sell orders on BITTREX between current price and 0,003 which is 10x ICO
you should pay close attention

Still no polo ?

just find some data recovery software online, that should probably work out fine. I leave the googling of a trustworthy program to you.