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Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 03, 2016, 01:24:51 PM

Could you help me with a couple of questions please.

With the decentralized market, will it be possible to pay for goods using Silk or will it be DarkSilk only?

With Silk being accepted as payment for Weaver services, how will the USD to Silk rate be determined? Will it simply be based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges?

Thanks.

From my understanding the market place will be DarkSilk only. The USD to Silk rate will be determined based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges. But these are not really your questions i think. The main theme underlying you questions is why consider Silk, will it be worth the risk of an investment. To this i would say yes! Whatever happens to Silk you can be sure that it won't be just an apendix. Have trust in the developers, have trust in the weaver, have trust in both of the complementary coins.

Thanks. You're right in a way, but it's not that I'm considering investing. I had some originally and invested in more when Spencer first began posting as SCDeveloper and was saying things like:

Quote

DarkSilk is an entirely new coin with the opportunity for Silkcoin investors to buy in below the market price upon launch and continuously throughout its existence.

However, if the USD to Silk rate is determined by the rate on exchanges then Silk investors pay the exact same as everyone else. That's fine, it's obviously their prerogative to go back on that, but it almost feels like a cruel joke that the Silkcoin thread's been used as a de factor prelaunch thread when practically all of the development work and exciting new features are going into DarkSilk.

My point is, aside from at least giving us a functional chain by cloning BLK, nothing being proposed gives anyone an incentive to invest in Silk itself, nor gives it any more value. If you get the same rates for Weaver services with BTC as Silk, why bother with Silk? It feels a bit like this has just been glossed over. Is Silk only being included as a token gesture or in order to fulfill some past commitment? Or is it as Orestes believes, after you've finished with all those exciting new features for DarkSilk and DarkSilk's tesing and DarkSilk's launch will Silk be further developed?

My last commit to Silk was three days ago. Watch-Only, MultiSig Addresses, CheckLockTimeVerify and more. The new Silk is not just a send and receive coin.

But obviously it is hidden snuggly away in a sand dune where no prying eyes can fork it Cheesy

Silk, DarkSilk and Weaver are integral to each other. The system itself is almost like a feedback loop, self perpetuating. A lot of thought has gone into this.

On top of that and the foundation of code we will be begin with, the growth, development, direction and improvements to Silk and DarkSilk will be continual.

There is also no reason why we cannot sell DarkSilk at a better rate for SILK than for BTC in the crowdsale...

Also with the marketplace in DarkSilk, payments for goods will be accepted in SILK as well as DRKSLK.

If not a better rate SLK for DRKSLK in crowdsale maybe we can do an "introductory rate" for a limited time in the Weaver?

i think this will lead upto a mess.
buy cheap, sell low-->loop
deleted idea, and post.

I also think we need to keep things simple. Let SLK be SLK and DRKSLK be DRKSLK no need to hybridize. That the community has some uncertainty about SLK is understandable but it should not determine decision making. To accept SLK in the marketplace to me is already a stretch because a product needs to be based on a single value, then through an exchange rate it could be expressed in another.

Its like paying in USD in a EUR market, or bringing assets to pay for goods instead of money. Sure it removes the need to swap on an external location and it will tie the coins closer together but at the same time you get more of the same and might lose distinguishness. Maybe we end up with totally different price patterns, that way the marketplace might get really confusing. Whats the price in SLK or DRKSLK? Can I find an economic advantage? From a user's perspective things will be less clear.

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Quote from: yell4george on March 04, 2016, 10:15:39 AM

Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 01, 2016, 06:33:27 PM

Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 03, 2016, 01:24:51 PM

Could you help me with a couple of questions please.

With the decentralized market, will it be possible to pay for goods using Silk or will it be DarkSilk only?

With Silk being accepted as payment for Weaver services, how will the USD to Silk rate be determined? Will it simply be based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges?

Thanks.

From my understanding the market place will be DarkSilk only. The USD to Silk rate will be determined based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges. But these are not really your questions i think. The main theme underlying you questions is why consider Silk, will it be worth the risk of an investment. To this i would say yes! Whatever happens to Silk you can be sure that it won't be just an apendix. Have trust in the developers, have trust in the weaver, have trust in both of the complementary coins.

Thanks. You're right in a way, but it's not that I'm considering investing. I had some originally and invested in more when Spencer first began posting as SCDeveloper and was saying things like:

Quote

DarkSilk is an entirely new coin with the opportunity for Silkcoin investors to buy in below the market price upon launch and continuously throughout its existence.

However, if the USD to Silk rate is determined by the rate on exchanges then Silk investors pay the exact same as everyone else. That's fine, it's obviously their prerogative to go back on that, but it almost feels like a cruel joke that the Silkcoin thread's been used as a de factor prelaunch thread when practically all of the development work and exciting new features are going into DarkSilk.

My point is, aside from at least giving us a functional chain by cloning BLK, nothing being proposed gives anyone an incentive to invest in Silk itself, nor gives it any more value. If you get the same rates for Weaver services with BTC as Silk, why bother with Silk? It feels a bit like this has just been glossed over. Is Silk only being included as a token gesture or in order to fulfill some past commitment? Or is it as Orestes believes, after you've finished with all those exciting new features for DarkSilk and DarkSilk's tesing and DarkSilk's launch will Silk be further developed?

My last commit to Silk was three days ago. Watch-Only, MultiSig Addresses, CheckLockTimeVerify and more. The new Silk is not just a send and receive coin.

But obviously it is hidden snuggly away in a sand dune where no prying eyes can fork it Cheesy

Silk, DarkSilk and Weaver are integral to each other. The system itself is almost like a feedback loop, self perpetuating. A lot of thought has gone into this.

On top of that and the foundation of code we will be begin with, the growth, development, direction and improvements to Silk and DarkSilk will be continual.

There is also no reason why we cannot sell DarkSilk at a better rate for SILK than for BTC in the crowdsale...

Also with the marketplace in DarkSilk, payments for goods will be accepted in SILK as well as DRKSLK.

If not a better rate SLK for DRKSLK in crowdsale maybe we can do an "introductory rate" for a limited time in the Weaver?

i think this will lead upto a mess.
buy cheap, sell low-->loop
deleted idea, and post.

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Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 01, 2016, 06:33:27 PM

Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 03, 2016, 01:24:51 PM

Could you help me with a couple of questions please.

With the decentralized market, will it be possible to pay for goods using Silk or will it be DarkSilk only?

With Silk being accepted as payment for Weaver services, how will the USD to Silk rate be determined? Will it simply be based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges?

Thanks.

From my understanding the market place will be DarkSilk only. The USD to Silk rate will be determined based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges. But these are not really your questions i think. The main theme underlying you questions is why consider Silk, will it be worth the risk of an investment. To this i would say yes! Whatever happens to Silk you can be sure that it won't be just an apendix. Have trust in the developers, have trust in the weaver, have trust in both of the complementary coins.

Thanks. You're right in a way, but it's not that I'm considering investing. I had some originally and invested in more when Spencer first began posting as SCDeveloper and was saying things like:

Quote

DarkSilk is an entirely new coin with the opportunity for Silkcoin investors to buy in below the market price upon launch and continuously throughout its existence.

However, if the USD to Silk rate is determined by the rate on exchanges then Silk investors pay the exact same as everyone else. That's fine, it's obviously their prerogative to go back on that, but it almost feels like a cruel joke that the Silkcoin thread's been used as a de factor prelaunch thread when practically all of the development work and exciting new features are going into DarkSilk.

My point is, aside from at least giving us a functional chain by cloning BLK, nothing being proposed gives anyone an incentive to invest in Silk itself, nor gives it any more value. If you get the same rates for Weaver services with BTC as Silk, why bother with Silk? It feels a bit like this has just been glossed over. Is Silk only being included as a token gesture or in order to fulfill some past commitment? Or is it as Orestes believes, after you've finished with all those exciting new features for DarkSilk and DarkSilk's tesing and DarkSilk's launch will Silk be further developed?

My last commit to Silk was three days ago. Watch-Only, MultiSig Addresses, CheckLockTimeVerify and more. The new Silk is not just a send and receive coin.

But obviously it is hidden snuggly away in a sand dune where no prying eyes can fork it Cheesy

Silk, DarkSilk and Weaver are integral to each other. The system itself is almost like a feedback loop, self perpetuating. A lot of thought has gone into this.

On top of that and the foundation of code we will be begin with, the growth, development, direction and improvements to Silk and DarkSilk will be continual.

There is also no reason why we cannot sell DarkSilk at a better rate for SILK than for BTC in the crowdsale...

Also with the marketplace in DarkSilk, payments for goods will be accepted in SILK as well as DRKSLK.

If not a better rate SLK for DRKSLK in crowdsale maybe we can do an "introductory rate" for a limited time in the Weaver?

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Quote from: cisahasa on March 03, 2016, 05:21:10 PM

i wasnt able to add Watch-Only, but it was before tons of new commits.
have not tested lately.

but the coin is starting to be alive!

I have merged the Net branch with Master which updates sockets etc. and adds whitelisting for nodes.

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i wasnt able to add Watch-Only, but it was before tons of new commits.
have not tested lately.

but the coin is starting to be alive!

SLievensDRKSLK

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Quote from: cisahasa on March 03, 2016, 02:24:08 AM

Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 02, 2016, 03:10:00 PM

Quote from: cisahasa on March 02, 2016, 01:58:55 PM

again compiling DS latest commits for native win..

Error with txleveldb on start. A commit broke it. We are thinking its pubkey.cpp and the Ckey changes and should just be key. We are going to make the changes and test.

this is one i was going to point out, caused client crash.
lets try if you located it right.
lets compile again..

edit: looking better(native win wallet), send was a success, no crash, debug is normal;(still some errors..), cpu usage 1% when staking&pow mining, mem 80-110mb
old wallet.dat did not work with latest client, so i just created new one.

db error is caused sometimes by client not to close properly, it keeps hanging in the backround.(must terminate manually)

im going to move thinking about what is wrong with win compile when new algos.

~~SILK has the Multi-Sig GUI to have added~~. Watch-Only Address GUI is working but has a couple of small bugs to iron out. Also with the marketplace in DarkSilk, payments for goods will be accepted in SILK as well as DRKSLK.

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Quote from: SLievensDRKSLK on March 02, 2016, 03:10:00 PM

Quote from: cisahasa on March 02, 2016, 01:58:55 PM

again compiling DS latest commits for native win..

Error with txleveldb on start. A commit broke it. We are thinking its pubkey.cpp and the Ckey changes and should just be key. We are going to make the changes and test.

this is one i was going to point out, caused client crash.
lets try if you located it right.
lets compile again..

edit: looking better(native win wallet), send was a success, no crash, debug is normal;(still some errors..), cpu usage 1% when staking&pow mining, mem 80-110mb
old wallet.dat did not work with latest client, so i just created new one.

db error is caused sometimes by client not to close properly, it keeps hanging in the backround.(must terminate manually)

im going to move thinking about what is wrong with win compile when new algos.

SLievensDRKSLK

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Quote from: cisahasa on March 02, 2016, 01:58:55 PM

again compiling DS latest commits for native win..

Error with txleveldb on start. A commit broke it. We are thinking its pubkey.cpp and the Ckey changes and should just be key. We are going to make the changes and test.

cisahasa

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Activity: 910

Merit: 1000

again compiling DS latest commits for native win..

SLievensDRKSLK

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Activity: 490

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Could you help me with a couple of questions please.

With the decentralized market, will it be possible to pay for goods using Silk or will it be DarkSilk only?

With Silk being accepted as payment for Weaver services, how will the USD to Silk rate be determined? Will it simply be based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges?

Thanks.

From my understanding the market place will be DarkSilk only. The USD to Silk rate will be determined based on the current Silk/BTC rate on exchanges. But these are not really your questions i think. The main theme underlying you questions is why consider Silk, will it be worth the risk of an investment. To this i would say yes! Whatever happens to Silk you can be sure that it won't be just an apendix. Have trust in the developers, have trust in the weaver, have trust in both of the complementary coins.

Thanks. You're right in a way, but it's not that I'm considering investing. I had some originally and invested in more when Spencer first began posting as SCDeveloper and was saying things like:

Quote

DarkSilk is an entirely new coin with the opportunity for Silkcoin investors to buy in below the market price upon launch and continuously throughout its existence.

However, if the USD to Silk rate is determined by the rate on exchanges then Silk investors pay the exact same as everyone else. That's fine, it's obviously their prerogative to go back on that, but it almost feels like a cruel joke that the Silkcoin thread's been used as a de factor prelaunch thread when practically all of the development work and exciting new features are going into DarkSilk.

My point is, aside from at least giving us a functional chain by cloning BLK, nothing being proposed gives anyone an incentive to invest in Silk itself, nor gives it any more value. If you get the same rates for Weaver services with BTC as Silk, why bother with Silk? It feels a bit like this has just been glossed over. Is Silk only being included as a token gesture or in order to fulfill some past commitment? Or is it as Orestes believes, after you've finished with all those exciting new features for DarkSilk and DarkSilk's tesing and DarkSilk's launch will Silk be further developed?

My last commit to Silk was three days ago. Watch-Only, MultiSig Addresses, CheckLockTimeVerify and more. The new Silk is not just a send and receive coin.

But obviously it is hidden snuggly away in a sand dune where no prying eyes can fork it Cheesy

Silk, DarkSilk and Weaver are integral to each other. The system itself is almost like a feedback loop, self perpetuating. A lot of thought has gone into this.

On top of that and the foundation of code we will be begin with, the growth, development, direction and improvements to Silk and DarkSilk will be continual.

There is also no reason why we cannot sell DarkSilk at a better rate for SILK than for BTC in the crowdsale.

My personal feeling towards Silkcoin is that it needs an honest and public team behind it, with the same direction and purpose in their work. It has had a dubious past and it is time to clean that up. Since MintPal, the original developers, The Silk Road Marketplace and Ross Ulbrichts imprisonment, the name Silkcoin has been linked synonymously with illegal operations, scams, dumps, mistrust and misdirection.

Those times are over.

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