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Topic: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin - PoW reward for solar energy | the GREEN KING of Crypto - page 21. (Read 138368 times)

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At 20 dollars a coin, this may turn out to be the MOST EXPENSIVE BOOK I have ever purchased.   Cheesy

Hopefully nick will have the last laugh.   Wink

Yes, I most certainly hope so. Cheesy

Here Here ....

When SLR makes $20 I will not worry over much about the 300SLR I payed for the book that anchors it.

Good luck to Nick and to us all.

T
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At 20 dollars a coin, this may turn out to be the MOST EXPENSIVE BOOK I have ever purchased.   Cheesy

Hopefully nick will have the last laugh.   Wink

Yes, I most certainly hope so. Cheesy
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At 20 dollars a coin, this may turn out to be the MOST EXPENSIVE BOOK I have ever purchased.   Cheesy

Hopefully nick will have the last laugh.   Wink
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At 20 dollars a coin, this may turn out to be the MOST EXPENSIVE BOOK I have ever purchased.   Cheesy
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I love seeing this: http://thenatureofvalue.com/bitcoin-solarcoin-accepted/  Grin Cheesy Grin

I got mine in the mail a couple of days ago, it's inscribed and everything! It's only the second book I've ever had signed by the author. Cheesy

It is New Brunswick Day on Monday, so I can hopefully find some time to start reading it over this long weekend.

It's a really nice book, I was suitably impressed when I opened it.

Thanks for the link - mine is now ordered.  A green letter day?  I have actually purchased something with SLR Grin

T
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I love seeing this: http://thenatureofvalue.com/bitcoin-solarcoin-accepted/  Grin Cheesy Grin

I got mine in the mail a couple of days ago, it's inscribed and everything! It's only the second book I've ever had signed by the author. Cheesy

It is New Brunswick Day on Monday, so I can hopefully find some time to start reading it over this long weekend.

It's a really nice book, I was suitably impressed when I opened it.

Yep, thanks for the reminder.......just ordered mine too:-)
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I love seeing this: http://thenatureofvalue.com/bitcoin-solarcoin-accepted/  Grin Cheesy Grin

I got mine in the mail a couple of days ago, it's inscribed and everything! It's only the second book I've ever had signed by the author. Cheesy

It is New Brunswick Day on Monday, so I can hopefully find some time to start reading it over this long weekend.

It's a really nice book, I was suitably impressed when I opened it.

Thanks for the link. I plan to order my copy this weekend.
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I love seeing this: http://thenatureofvalue.com/bitcoin-solarcoin-accepted/  Grin Cheesy Grin

I got mine in the mail a couple of days ago, it's inscribed and everything! It's only the second book I've ever had signed by the author. Cheesy

It is New Brunswick Day on Monday, so I can hopefully find some time to start reading it over this long weekend.

It's a really nice book, I was suitably impressed when I opened it.
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Thanks to everyone who commented on the options for a fork. I have passed on your feedback to the rest of the SolarCoin team.
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lol i want to change my choice to Option 1B     Grin

+ 1

Option 1B   Grin
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Since the ultimate goal is PoS, why favor Option 1 over Option 3?

I vote Option 3, unless for some reason people think Option 1 would lead to a larger price rise.

Option 1 or 1B would produce a couple million fewer coins into circulation, so the price might rise a bit faster and higher. But I don't think it would be a big difference. We might have 33 million coins in circulation when we switch to PoS instead of 35 million, something like that. About 5-10% fewer coins.

Option 3 might give us a somewhat better chance of persuading pools to switch to the fork. But I don't know enough about how pools operate to have an informed opinion about those prospects. Anyone want to weigh in that?

fewer coins = more valuable
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Since the ultimate goal is PoS, why favor Option 1 over Option 3?

I vote Option 3, unless for some reason people think Option 1 would lead to a larger price rise.

Option 1 or 1B would produce a couple million fewer coins into circulation, so the price might rise a bit faster and higher. But I don't think it would be a big difference. We might have 33 million coins in circulation when we switch to PoS instead of 35 million, something like that. About 5-10% fewer coins.

Option 3 might give us a somewhat better chance of persuading pools to switch to the fork. But I don't know enough about how pools operate to have an informed opinion about those prospects. Anyone want to weigh in that?
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Since the ultimate goal is PoS, why favor Option 1 over Option 3?

I vote Option 3, unless for some reason people think Option 1 would lead to a larger price rise.
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Option 1B does sound a lot better.
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lol i want to change my choice to Option 1B     Grin
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My take is that if you reduce the block reward to 1 SLR there will be no incentive for any mining at all, other than just for the good of the coin.  This may well not, in the long term, be enough to keep the blockchain alive and safe.  It depends on the value of the coin as the mining / transaction fee reward must be enough to cover electricity and depreciation at least.  Just cutting back over such a relatively short time span may not let the coin value go up in any way proportional to the reducing supply.

However, having read all this : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake     I now know a little more about what is going to happen.  But I am damned if I can get my head around the deeper consequences.

I agree with you that the price may not go up fast enough as the reward falls to 1 SLR to cover miners' electricity and other costs. This is why my own opinion is for a relatively quick transition to PoS, because it avoids the possible security problem of lack of sufficient mining to keep the blockchain alive and safe.

Regarding the deeper consequences of PoS, here are the ones that I think are most significant:

-- Using PoS as the method to secure the network and thus ending mining has a marketing benefit for SolarCoin, since mining consumes much more energy than staking and our coin is supposed to be about helping to create energy.

-- The low inflation rates typically associated with PoS coins (most of them are anywhere from 1 to a few percent a year) would help SolarCoin have a much better chance to rise in price, compared to the current inflation rate which is 4% per week(!). Changing to 1.5% per year would make the coin more attractive both to investors and to generators to claim their coins.

-- A 1.5% annual interest rate for staked wallets (like an interest-bearing savings account), plus probably a couple more percent inflation per year from generator grants, would mean that SolarCoin's total inflation rate would be in line with mainstream currencies like the US dollar.

-- PoS enables people to mint coins on smartphone-based wallets. Anyone in the world could use their Android or iPhone to create some SLR. This is more egalitarian compared to a mining-based system which favors only those who can afford mining rigs or hash contracts.

Given all of this, my bias is for either Option 1 or Option 3. If people are worried that reducing the block reward to 1 SLR per block while we're still relying on mining to secure the coin is too risky (even if it's only for a few days while the reward is in single digits), then we'd have to go with Option 3. If people think we can get through the risky part with the really low block rewards, relying on solo mining by dedicated SLR supporters, then we can go with Option 1.

Here's an "Option 1B" which would eliminate the most risky period of Option 1: Drop the block reward from 100 to 10 over 30 days (-3 per day) and then automatically go from 10 per block to PoS. A reward of 10 per block would only require a price of 3000 satoshis to keep the current hash rate. My gut feeling is that it won't be too hard to get back to that price (which we traded at for a while in March) if we cut the block reward significantly, but it may be a lot harder to go from 3000 to 30,000 satoshis, which would need to be the price to support a 1 SLR block reward. So if we eliminate the 3 days during which the reward goes from 10 to 1, we cut out an unnecessary risk to the network and we go straight from 10 SLR per block to PoS, at which time we no longer need to worry about the profitability concerns of miners and can set the coin's inflation rate at the 1.5% annually that we think is best for big-picture reasons.

Thoughts on the Option 1B idea?

Eric
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My choice is option 1

I can point two 7950's and a gridseed your way.

I am also set up for solo mining if needed.
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I'm kinda liking the 3rd option as it gives miners another shake at earning while making it more worthwhile to mine, I also like the short POW versus the long before transitioning to POS.  I however cannot solomine with my rigs so would only be able to mine if a pool was avail.

I suspect that the pools would drop us like a hot rock as the reward goes down.

Do you think we'd stand a better chance of getting the pools to accept the fork if we go with Option 3, since the reward would stay the same until PoS kicks in?

My take is that if you reduce the block reward to 1 SLR there will be no incentive for any mining at all, other than just for the good of the coin.  This may well not, in the long term, be enough to keep the blockchain alive and safe.  It depends on the value of the coin as the mining / transaction fee reward must be enough to cover electricity and depreciation at least.  Just cutting back over such a relatively short time span may not let the coin value go up in any way proportional to the reducing supply.

However, having read all this : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake     I now know a little more about what is going to happen.  But I am damned if I can get my head around the deeper consequences.

The only thought I can offer here is that perhaps the proposed inflation rate and 1 SLR block reward is perhaps too Draconian in the short term,  and the unexpected / unintended consequences may be difficult to manage.






A write-up or video about how to solo-mine SLR would be great! (Edit: Just noticed your post above... thank you!) There's no guarantee that the pools will go along with any of the options for forking the coin, since all of them involve either reducing the reward of mining or ending mining. We might have to rely on solo mining by faithful SolarCoin supporters to fork the coin.
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