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Mysterion

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thereverseflash

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I'll be able to change everything!

Thanks for Eclipse for identifying a problem with the nonce selection, I have checked in a patch that will address this issue for anyone attempting to use the same key with multiple accounts. I didn't realize that libsecp256k used deterministic signatures rather than generating randomness for each signature like Open SSL did.

I have already checked in a patch that fixes the display of balances for anyone having issues there.

Mining for distribution was a last minute addition to this project which had originally intended to allocate 100% of everything and then sell off a fraction.

NextGenCrypto

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Can I put in a simple request for the next update?

Can we have a command that lists out all accounts and their respective balances cleanly?

Would be appreciated.

drays

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Quote from: Eclipse Crypto on March 26, 2016, 07:12:21 PM

Quote from: Jookly on March 26, 2016, 06:56:58 PM

The part I am still not figuring out is how to know what goes in the WIFPRIVATEKEY field.

I just need a little more help please.

https://www.bitaddress.org

Go there, make a wallet, copy the secret (starts with L), then go to wallet details, paste in the secret, hit "view details", scroll down, copy the WIF address that starts with a 5.

Yeah, that is one more puzzle to solve for an uninformed folks like some(most) of us.

I suppose "suggest_brain_key" in "cli_wallet" will do too, right?

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@'Eclipse Crypto', many thanks for the quotes ('witness') hint. It helped a lot. Not sure this coin will worth anything though (might shut down my miner soon), but its a bit entertaining.

Thanks to Dev for finally pointing to the article from Bytemaster - it was a good read (complete news for me - never even listened about his work before), and its finally explains something about this coin. I hope you understand what you are doing, though as 'Eclipse Crypto' pointed, you did it in somewhat shady and/or unprofessional way Undecided

Eclipse Crypto

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Quote from: Jookly on March 26, 2016, 06:56:58 PM

The part I am still not figuring out is how to know what goes in the WIFPRIVATEKEY field.

I just need a little more help please.

https://www.bitaddress.org

Go there, make a wallet, copy the secret (starts with L), then go to wallet details, paste in the secret, hit "view details", scroll down, copy the WIF address that starts with a 5.

Jookly

legendary

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The part I am still not figuring out is how to know what goes in the WIFPRIVATEKEY field.

I just need a little more help please.

thereverseflash

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I'll be able to change everything!

Quote from: Eclipse Crypto on March 26, 2016, 04:19:07 PM

Quote from: thereverseflash on March 26, 2016, 03:12:47 PM

For those who are doing the math, this means we have mined 75% of the STEEM held by current accounts.
For those who are worried about us dumping, we intend to convert it all to VESTS at the end of the week.
VESTS are locked up, non-transverable, non-divisible, STEEM that can only be unlocked via 104 equal weekly payments (2 years).

We recommend everyone convert their STEEM to VESTS.

If this is just HODL plastered on top of bitshares, you are in for a surprise. Bittrex doesn't even think HODL is worth listing.

You are going to need more than just HODL-style "vests".

HODL was inspired by the same blog post http://bytemaster.github.io/article/2016/01/04/The-Benefits-of-Proof-of-Work, but we feel he didn't get the point.

FreeTrade, creator of HODL, has a bad reputation for several failed coins Memory Coin, Memory Coin II, etc.

Starting 30 days from launch, VESTS will get to vote on 19 witnesses. 1 witness will be selected by mining and 1 will be time-shared with the remaining witnesses proportional to their votes. A total of 21 per round.

After 30 days all block production and pow rewards are automatically converted to VESTS to reward miners who make long-term commitment.

The difference between this and BitShares is that the voters must be VESTING and cannot dump if they don't like how things go. Also, unlike BitShares, there are no worker proposals nor major changes to the protocol which
should take much of the politics out of the coin. There are only two real tokens, STEEM and SBD.

Lastly, unlike BitShares, VESTS are never diluted unless over 90% of all STEEM is held as vesting.

drays

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Quote from: thereverseflash on March 26, 2016, 10:43:53 AM

2. Everyone loves proof of work, unless it involves *real work* like reading code or compiling source

The entire build process is more or less a clone of BitShares which also builds on Windows, the tools are free.

If the concept of proof of work is "I was able to download and run a script" then that doesn't represent real work, especially if those running the script already have the hardware and don't pay for their electricity.

Heh, one of us misinterprets the proof-of-work concept

Eclipse Crypto

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Quote from: thereverseflash on March 26, 2016, 03:12:47 PM

For those who are doing the math, this means we have mined 75% of the STEEM held by current accounts.
For those who are worried about us dumping, we intend to convert it all to VESTS at the end of the week.
VESTS are locked up, non-transverable, non-divisible, STEEM that can only be unlocked via 104 equal weekly payments (2 years).

We recommend everyone convert their STEEM to VESTS.

If this is just HODL plastered on top of bitshares, you are in for a surprise. Bittrex doesn't even think HODL is worth listing.

You are going to need more than just HODL-style "vests".

thereverseflash

member

Activity: 70

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I'll be able to change everything!

I just updated the formatting of the wallet output for list_my_accounts.

Code:

admin 694.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
administrator 756.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
any 1437.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
moderator 1403.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
root 1048.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer1 769.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer10 723.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer11 713.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer12 713.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer13 524.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer15 671.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer16 798.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer17 483.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer18 566.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer19 588.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer2 420.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer20 566.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer21 587.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer22 629.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer23 714.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer25 692.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer26 610.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer27 588.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer28 671.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer29 589.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer3 631.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer30 524.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer31 629.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer32 630.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer33 755.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer35 650.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer36 713.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer37 797.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer38 608.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer39 658.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer4 572.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer40 676.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer41 570.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer42 735.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer43 650.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer45 566.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer46 503.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer47 545.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer48 524.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer49 693.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer5 524.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer50 587.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer51 545.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer52 569.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer53 588.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer55 652.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer56 671.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer57 650.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer58 627.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer59 566.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer6 480.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer60 479.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer61 477.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer62 503.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer63 545.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer65 433.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer66 528.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer67 441.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer68 316.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer69 293.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer7 335.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer70 401.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer71 251.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer72 230.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer73 188.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer75 293.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer76 293.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer77 251.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer78 167.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer79 251.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer8 230.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer80 117.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer81 95.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer82 20.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer83 20.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer85 41.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer86 0.000 STEEM 0.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer87 0.000 STEEM 0.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer88 0.000 STEEM 0.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer89 0.000 STEEM 0.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
sminer9 0.000 STEEM 0.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steem 1091.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit 483.000 STEEM 2312.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit1 1372.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit10 1286.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit11 1226.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit12 1095.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit13 1102.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit15 1103.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit16 1032.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit17 1094.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit18 1160.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit19 1097.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit2 1053.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit20 1303.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit21 1133.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit22 1165.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit23 888.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit25 1034.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit26 1034.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit27 968.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit28 908.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit29 869.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit3 759.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit30 806.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit31 740.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit32 906.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit33 696.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit35 489.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit36 847.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit37 698.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit38 592.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit39 679.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit4 512.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit40 533.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit41 621.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit42 568.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit43 489.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit45 546.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit46 633.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit47 485.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit48 797.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit49 735.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit5 487.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit50 740.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit51 678.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit52 549.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit53 677.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit55 447.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit56 488.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit57 359.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit58 362.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit59 400.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit6 295.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit60 357.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit61 295.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit62 336.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit63 337.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit65 272.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit66 379.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit67 293.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit68 252.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit69 275.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit7 106.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit70 90.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit71 127.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit72 168.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit73 83.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit75 20.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit76 41.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit77 41.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
steemit78 20.000 STEEM 1.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL 89839.000 STEEM 2463.000000 VESTS 0.000 SBD

For those who are doing the math, this means we have mined 75% of the STEEM held by current accounts.
For those who are worried about us dumping, we intend to convert it all to VESTS at the end of the week.
VESTS are locked up, non-transverable, non-divisible, STEEM that can only be unlocked via 104 equal weekly payments (2 years).

We recommend everyone convert their STEEM to VESTS.

Wallet Tutorial

Code:

unlocked >>> transfer steemit40 steemit "533.000 STEEM" "memo" true
{
"ref_block_num": 61958,
"ref_block_prefix": 3826185324,
"expiration": "2016-03-26T20:18:36",
"operations": [[
"transfer",{
"from": "steemit40",
"to": "steemit",
"amount": "533.000 STEEM",
"memo": "memo"
}
]
],
"extensions": [],
"signatures": [
"2023889603edd218e98428fea9825d2e7df7be9387d31147bffaad28ba19620b0f0ae7a2f938f5ad0a02d6167d5b5b21e269eaa14ee3eb324ca623f77bb9c7d67b"
]
}

OrsonJ

sr. member

Activity: 597

Merit: 253

... and the swarm is headed towards us

Quote from: thereverseflash on March 25, 2016, 09:08:56 AM

Quote from: OrsonJ on March 25, 2016, 08:05:54 AM

I'm trying to figure out if I should be using multiple accounts. What would you say would be an optimal hash rate for each mining account? And do you have any long term plans for Steem?

If the queue length is 92, then it will take about 92 minutes to move your account through the queue. Everyone should mine with at least 2 accounts.

A typical i7 can get between 15K and 25K HPS which will find one POW every 100 to 150 minutes.

If you are mining with an i7 then I would say 2 or 3 accounts is the most you will need to have no down time.

Is this done with a single command? I tried to start mining with a second account on the same machine but keep getting an exception "Last block ID does not match current chain state". Thanks.

STEEMD

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Quote from: thereverseflash on March 26, 2016, 10:43:53 AM

A couple of things to note:

1. I build and mine with Ubuntu 14.04
2. Everyone loves proof of work, unless it involves *real work* like reading code or compiling source

The entire build process is more or less a clone of BitShares which also builds on Windows, the tools are free.

If the concept of proof of work is "I was able to download and run a script" then that doesn't represent real work, especially if those running the script already have the hardware and don't pay for their electricity.

Furthermore, most of those who are mining don't even know what it is they are mining or why it might have value. Many here make assumptions about Steem and we are counting on those wrong assumptions.

1. Some assume Steem needs miners to be successful, but we consider mining a niche that is too small to matter
2. Some assume 113% increase in STEEM supply every year is too much, but fail to investigate how the 113% is allocated
3. Some assume I am one guy acting alone with no money and no vision

Window's binaries will be made available when the time is right.

Good job dev, im mining, holding & trying to understand the code. What I've found out is that STEEM have a PoS (voting), a blockchain market, Dapps ( not 100% sure ) & some kind of data publishing ?

thereverseflash

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I'll be able to change everything!

A couple of things to note:

1. I build and mine with Ubuntu 14.04
2. Everyone loves proof of work, unless it involves *real work* like reading code or compiling source

The entire build process is more or less a clone of BitShares which also builds on Windows, the tools are free.

If the concept of proof of work is "I was able to download and run a script" then that doesn't represent real work, especially if those running the script already have the hardware and don't pay for their electricity.

Furthermore, most of those who are mining don't even know what it is they are mining or why it might have value. Many here make assumptions about Steem and we are counting on those wrong assumptions.

1. Some assume Steem needs miners to be successful, but we consider mining a niche that is too small to matter
2. Some assume 113% increase in STEEM supply every year is too much, but fail to investigate how the 113% is allocated
3. Some assume I am one guy acting alone with no money and no vision

Window's binaries will be made available when the time is right.

samsunk

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Activity: 95

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Quote from: drays on March 26, 2016, 06:42:48 AM

Actually Win guys could install on their PC a virtual machine running Linux, and mine from there

From another hand, even for Linux there is no ready wallet. You have to compile it from scratch, and that procedure is very different from compiling a typical altcoin wallet. Not every Linux will do either - it will need your Linux installation to be the very latest/updated one, otherwise compilation will fail (if you use Ubuntu, use at least v.15.10, not to run into issues).

dev needs to satisfy all - win mac and linux wallets needed

-samsunk

drays

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Actually Win guys could install on their PC a virtual machine running Linux, and mine from there

From another hand, even for Linux there is no ready wallet. You have to compile it from scratch, and that procedure is very different from compiling a typical altcoin wallet. Not every Linux will do either - it will need your Linux installation to be the very latest/updated one, otherwise compilation will fail (if you use Ubuntu, use at least v.15.10, not to run into issues).

appcapn

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Them little guys make up the majority. Win wallet please..

rossr1

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Merit: 250

Quote from: thereverseflash on March 25, 2016, 03:36:44 PM

Quote from: NextGenCrypto on March 25, 2016, 03:05:02 PM

I think it's time you find a way to get this compiled for Windows users, you've got enough.

It's only going to help the coin in the long run. Let us little guys have a chance.

Don't worry, little guys will have plenty of chance later on in the life of Steem.

NextGenCrypto asked if I had a GPU miner. The answer is no. I am mining via Amazon EC2 spot instances.

It should be possible to create a GPU miner, but that would require a lot of knowledge of how to implement elliptic curve signatures / verification which is something I don't have.

No windows as yet, shame, as this little guy would have liked to got involved.

NextGenCrypto

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Quote from: cryptohunter on March 26, 2016, 01:19:03 AM

Darkcoin/dash is still remembered today for not releasing with a windows wallet.

Yea, they only have a $44 million market cap... I'd say it worked out.

But please, make an effort to get us a Win wallet.

cryptohunter

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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG

Quote from: SalimNagamato on March 26, 2016, 01:14:31 AM

Quote from: nagatraju on March 25, 2016, 09:46:28 PM

Coin without Windows Wallet? Why are you going with Linux wallet only? You just want to mine this coin yourself?

Why you are not installing Linux ?
it is for free ...
surprised this question comes from old member

have you actually considered that there are people especially new members that might not know how to use linux?

99.99% of coins do release with a windows wallet so I don't think this the suggestion is unreasonable unless this new method of pow makes creating a windows wallet difficult.

If there is no reason not to create a windows wallet then not doing so will result in the coin being branded a captive instamine scam.
Best to release one whilst there is still opportunity for some people to mine that wish to mine.

Darkcoin/dash is still remembered today for not releasing with a windows wallet.

SalimNagamato

legendary

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Quote from: nagatraju on March 25, 2016, 09:46:28 PM

Coin without Windows Wallet? Why are you going with Linux wallet only? You just want to mine this coin yourself?

Why you are not installing Linux ?
it is for free ...
surprised this question comes from old member

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