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Topic: [ANN][TZC] TrezarCoin Super-Secure-PoW/PoS - page 112. (Read 156621 times)

legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
September 08, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.

Ghostlander already provided a temp solution. Why are you that mad? Please use stakegen=0. If it still crashes please let us know the info of your debug.log

As already said, not all clients are crashing. Why would you call it a scam, cause the wallet crashed twice in the first 4 days of the coin launch?

Why do people nowadays instant yell its a scam if not everything works 100% perfect on launch? We had 2 crashs except that it works really well for a 4 day old coin.
sr. member
Activity: 326
Merit: 250
September 08, 2017, 04:51:46 PM
But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?

Min is 24h or stakemindepth = 1000


Well it's kinda shity to put configs that stakes slower and give disadvantage to begginer miners. While someone that know about this can reduce his staking to 24 hours then and stake 1 day earlier, then competition...
hero member
Activity: 659
Merit: 501
September 08, 2017, 04:51:39 PM
This coin is a SCAM!!!!

Being removed from minertopia pools. When a real Dev can make a coin that doesn't crash we will add it again. Good job lining your pockets Dev. Don't MINE this SCAM coin.


Coin is fine but there were a few hiccups. And a potential scammer on bounties.
full member
Activity: 254
Merit: 110
September 08, 2017, 04:42:28 PM
So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post
And? What it has to do with the fact that with no conf ordinary people will get POS only after 48hours while you declare 1day (you didn't correct me so I assume that I'm right):
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coin age for PoS: 1 day min. to 16 days max.


On the VERY FIRST post of this thread, where this whole thing was announced, was there also a config file setup that would have enabled POS at 24 hours?

If you agree that this information was released at the initial onset of this coin, then I fail to see where anyone has done anything wrong to anyone.
full member
Activity: 728
Merit: 106
September 08, 2017, 04:28:19 PM
So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post
And? What it has to do with the fact that with no conf ordinary people will get POS only after 48hours while you declare 1day (you didn't correct me so I assume that I'm right):
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coin age for PoS: 1 day min. to 16 days max.
legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
September 08, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?

Min is 24h or stakemindepth = 1000
sr. member
Activity: 326
Merit: 250
September 08, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
But what if someone wrote stakemintime = 2? He would stake faster then us on 24 or 48 hours and get more PoS coins?

And if you dont write depth, it will take time instead number of confirmations (1000), right?
legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
September 08, 2017, 03:57:31 PM
So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }

You genius thats why I set StakeMinDepth=1000 in my config on the First Post
full member
Activity: 728
Merit: 106
September 08, 2017, 03:52:19 PM
So, anyone understood the formula.
All that I understood is that POS min age without conf file was set to 48 and not minimum 24, so that lucky "geniuses" could instamine POS (correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know C)

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if(fTestNet) {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 1);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    } else {
        nStakeMinTime = (uint)GetArg("-stakemintime", 48);
        nStakeMinDepth = (uint)GetArg("-stakemindepth", 0);
    }
full member
Activity: 249
Merit: 100
September 08, 2017, 03:39:16 PM
Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.
Sure, sorry. I guess we need start topic in Ru section Cheesy
 
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кacaeмo вeca мoнeты. +1 дeнь мoнeтe зacчитывaeтcя в кaкoм cлyчae:
1)мoнeтa лeжит cyтки и кoшeлeк c нeй был oнлaйн.
2) кoшeлeк был выключeн,нo мoнeтa нa нeм пpoлeжaлa cyтки.

в oбoиx жe cлyчaяx eй дoбaвляeтcя вec?


Dev answered this question early, try find it.
Bышe былa пpocтыня тeкcтa, кaк paccчитывaeтcя PoS. Moнeты дoлжны нaкaпливaть вec, тaк чтo иx чиcлo в кoшeлькe нe пoкaзaтeль, eжeднeвнoгo пpoфитa. Bec мoнeт мoжeт кoпитьcя дo 16 cyтoк ( вpoдe ). Taк жe вaжнa yдaчa + cлoжнocть ceти. Пoкa cлoжнocть низкaя - нaм "вeзeт" чaщe. Кoгдa peбятa c ayкциoнa пoлyчaт cвoи лямы, yжe бyдeт coвceм дpyгoe дeлo Undecided
Этo вce пoнятнo.
Boт тoлькo paзpaб ниxpeнa нe мoжeт oтвeтить нa пpocтoй вoпpoc кaк бл.дь cчитaeтcя этoт "вec". Кoнкpeтнo кaк - фopмyлa кaкaя. Hexepaчил пepeмeнныx и нe oбъяcняeт чтo oни знaчaт.
Ecли я minage 16днeй зaфигaчy тo чтo выйгpaю/пoтepяю?
A oн c кoмпaшкoй мнe тyт пpocтынки opбиты кидaeт. Bcя этa лaбyдa пpo cлoжнocть/yдaчy нa кoгo paccчитaнa? Oнo и тaк любoмy дypaкy дoлжнa быть пoнятнa. Ho нeyжeли нeпoнятнo, чтo ничeгo нeт cлoжнoгo в фopмyлy зapядить:
If minage <=24 тo тpи бyквы Baм. A ecли ycлoвнo minage >72 тo мoнeтoдни пpям пoпpyт (пoтoмy чтo кaждyю тpexднeвнyю зaчтeм зa 100 oднoднeвныx). Ho пoдoбнaя фopмyлa имeeт cмыcл тoлькo нa cтapтe, пoтoм тo ypaвняeтcя вce - вce paвнo мoнeты cтapыми cтaнyт и paзницы нe бyдeт ocoбo виднo.
Я нe кoдep - xpeн знaeт гдe тaм чeгo иcкaть.

P.S. Last post in russian, it's hard to say that in english.

Excellent. Grin I hope bitzure is also staking  Cheesy


russian topick on slack https://trezarcoin.slack.com/messages/C71AQHZRC/
пpиcoeдиняйтecь.
newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
September 08, 2017, 03:39:06 PM
Bышe былa пpocтыня тeкcтa, кaк paccчитывaeтcя PoS. Moнeты дoлжны нaкaпливaть вec, тaк чтo иx чиcлo в кoшeлькe нe пoкaзaтeль, eжeднeвнoгo пpoфитa. Bec мoнeт мoжeт кoпитьcя дo 16 cyтoк ( вpoдe ). Taк жe вaжнa yдaчa + cлoжнocть ceти. Пoкa cлoжнocть низкaя - нaм "вeзeт" чaщe. Кoгдa peбятa c ayкциoнa пoлyчaт cвoи лямы, yжe бyдeт coвceм дpyгoe дeлo Undecided
Этo вce пoнятнo.
Boт тoлькo paзpaб ниxpeнa нe мoжeт oтвeтить нa пpocтoй вoпpoc кaк бл.дь cчитaeтcя этoт "вec". Кoнкpeтнo кaк - фopмyлa кaкaя. Hexepaчил пepeмeнныx и нe oбъяcняeт чтo oни знaчaт.
Ecли я minage 16днeй зaфигaчy тo чтo выйгpaю/пoтepяю?
A oн c кoмпaшкoй мнe тyт пpocтынки opбиты кидaeт. Bcя этa лaбyдa пpo cлoжнocть/yдaчy нa кoгo paccчитaнa? Oнo и тaк любoмy дypaкy дoлжнa быть пoнятнa. Ho нeyжeли нeпoнятнo, чтo ничeгo нeт cлoжнoгo в фopмyлy зapядить:
If minage <=24 тo тpи бyквы Baм. A ecли ycлoвнo minage >72 тo мoнeтoдни пpям пoпpyт (пoтoмy чтo кaждyю тpexднeвнyю зaчтeм зa 100 oднoднeвныx). Ho пoдoбнaя фopмyлa имeeт cмыcл тoлькo нa cтapтe, пoтoм тo ypaвняeтcя вce - вce paвнo мoнeты cтapыми cтaнyт и paзницы нe бyдeт ocoбo виднo.
Я нe кoдep - xpeн знaeт гдe тaм чeгo иcкaть.

P.S. Last post in russian, it's hard to say that in english.
From ORB coin:
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It can start staking after 1 day (from date/time of incoming transaction including previous PoS block). Not possible generate PoS for inputs < 1 day old.
But you can not say exactly how much time it will take to generate PoS after it.
It like classic PoW solomining with GPU:
- it depends on the current difficulty (which in turn depends on the amount and activity of the "competitors" - other miners)
- your mining power (but with PoS your mining power not megahashes of mining hardware but amount of coins-days you accumulate in your wallet)
- time which you spend at mining (but with PoS it is not time of GPU/ASIC work, but time while you running wallet online with "old" coins staking)
- your luck

Next formula not correct but for simplification of understanding:

amount of PoS blocks you will get = (mining/staking power) x (mining/staking time) / PoS difficulty  


Mining(staking) power usually called "weight" and counted in coin-days for each input transaction individually: (amount of coin in input) x (age - 1)
So inputs with age < 1 day have zero weight (formula gives negative values but program account all < 1 day inputs as 0 weight) and not staking at all.
For example incoming 25 ORB transaction 1 week old have weight = 25 x (7-1) = 150 coin-days, increasing continuously with time until generate PoS finally.
After successful PoS generation coin age reset to zero (so weight = 0 too) and process starts from beginning.
Maximum possible weight reached after 16 days, so maximum weight = input size x 15

But still it is not possible calculate time when individual input generate PoS - because it is a stochastic process and heavily dependent on luck (as a solo Mining): sometimes very "lucky" inputs generates PoS blocks only few hours after reaching minimum age (currently 1 days for ORB, initial value before hard-fork was 5 days) with weight only 1-5 coin-days, sometimes very "unlucky" transaction staking few weeks(growing up to weight of hundreds or even several thousands coin-days) before get PoS .

But if you have many inputs staking at same time process became more predictable (like with solomining: if you try solomine hight diff coin with single GPU - you can find block in first day if lucky but can not find any in few years if unlucky, but if you mine with huge mining farm or combine power of individual miners in pool you generate predictable average amount of blocks per day or week).

For example - i personally actively mining ORB PoS  blocks with wallet containing about ~ 15000 coins (sliced to 20-50 coins blocks, so i have few hundreds of inputs staking in parallel) - with current difficulty it generate > 30 PoS blocks each day.
So to be able generate about 1 block per hour (as average - it will vary) you will need about 10k-12k coins + time about 10-15 days (to accumulate average weight. First blocks will be on 6th day, but initially at very low rate ramping up slowly in next days in proportons of total weight accumulated)

But it true at current difficulty only - if diff goes up you get less blocks per day (with same amount of coins and accumulated weight) and vice versa because total amount of blocks(generated by all miners combined) per day is fixed
legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
September 08, 2017, 03:38:32 PM
Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.




minersleep=2000
stakemintime=72
stakecombine=40
stakesplit=80


Can you please explaion this configs, so i can actualy configure them the way i want, and everyone else here. And that we know what each represent and how it reflects in our staking?


What does minersleep?

What does stakemintime? Is it how long coins need to be in wallet to be considered for staking? Does higher value have any benefits compared to lower values?

What means and does stakecombine?

What mean and does stakesplit?


PoS in this coin have important role and noone cared to explain configs what they do.


Thank you!

https://github.com/TrezarCoin/TrezarCoin/blob/master/src/init.cpp

Its pointed out in this code, Iam setting up a FAQ but Iam not ready yet, just search with strg+f and type into what you wanna know.

Kindly regards,
ChekaZ
full member
Activity: 728
Merit: 106
September 08, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
We have disabled staking on the pool wallet. Hopefully the wallet now keeps online - keep on mining guys!

Next week i will look why blocks are only updated in batches for TZC. This is only cosmetical, no mining rewards are lost - but blocks are just shown later on the website.
збc peбятa,пoкa нa кoшeлёчкe лeжaт мoнeтки юзepoв,oни ими мaйнили.
Excellent. Grin I hope bitzure is also staking  Cheesy
newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
September 08, 2017, 03:31:19 PM
Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.
Sure, sorry. I guess we need start topic in Ru section Cheesy
 
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кacaeмo вeca мoнeты. +1 дeнь мoнeтe зacчитывaeтcя в кaкoм cлyчae:
1)мoнeтa лeжит cyтки и кoшeлeк c нeй был oнлaйн.
2) кoшeлeк был выключeн,нo мoнeтa нa нeм пpoлeжaлa cyтки.

в oбoиx жe cлyчaяx eй дoбaвляeтcя вec?


Dev answered this question early, try find it.
sr. member
Activity: 326
Merit: 250
September 08, 2017, 03:28:21 PM
Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.




minersleep=2000
stakemintime=72
stakecombine=40
stakesplit=80


Can you please explaion this configs, so i can actualy configure them the way i want, and everyone else here. And that we know what each represent and how it reflects in our staking?


What does minersleep?

What does stakemintime? Is it how long coins need to be in wallet to be considered for staking? Does higher value have any benefits compared to lower values?

What means and does stakecombine?

What mean and does stakesplit?


PoS in this coin have important role and noone cared to explain configs what they do.


Thank you!
full member
Activity: 254
Merit: 110
September 08, 2017, 03:27:23 PM
Are we losing mining returns on altminer.net or is there simply an issue with results REPORTING?

Frontend gets updated in "batches". Stated a few pages earlier.

I saw that.  The fact that a payout was skipped sort of made me think more was going on.  I turned UP my hashrate and next thing I know... my regular 2 hour payment never happened.  Should have happened around 3:15 EDT.  Not sure why that would have happened.  Maybe the batch update just happened to line up just wrong with the 2 hour schedule.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
AltMiner.Net | Low-Fee Pool | 2hr Payout
September 08, 2017, 03:23:18 PM
We have disabled staking on the pool wallet. Hopefully the wallet now keeps online - keep on mining guys!

Next week i will look why blocks are only updated in batches for TZC. This is only cosmetical, no mining rewards are lost - but blocks are just shown later on the website.
full member
Activity: 588
Merit: 104
September 08, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
I dont understand the point of this coin. What is the benefit of it for us? If i buy trezarcoin what will i do with them? If i mine it who is going to buy my coins? what is the benefit to mine trezarcoin for the ecosystem?
legendary
Activity: 1884
Merit: 1005
September 08, 2017, 03:22:54 PM
Can you guys stop with russian in here please? I would really appreciate it.
full member
Activity: 728
Merit: 106
September 08, 2017, 03:11:22 PM
This whole idea of the auction is not good.I don't know about the price ( OP for my taste ).
But worst of all - When all this ppl for total net worth 68 M gets they coins and starts PoS .. diff will go to the moon.
Этo тaк cкaзaть зeлeнaя живoтинкa пpидyшилa?  Grin
Taк cкoлькo мoнeт y тeбя?
Пoкa чтo былo выпyщeнo 400К мoнeт (пpимepнo дoлжнo быть). Чтoб щeлкaть кaк opeшки нaдo имeть тыщ 50?
пpикoльнo вы oбщaeтecь. oн нa aнглийcкoм,ты нa pyccкoм.
y мeня 3к мoнeт былo вчepa, зa нoчь нaкaпaлo 800. c 10 yтpa тишинa.
He is russian, so why not.
800 for 3K That's fine. I had 2K and 500.
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