Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 208. (Read 1356158 times)

Yer goes with out saying, complete transparency required.

If I was to support this dev4 I would have to know who he is, what skill set he brings with him, what his track record is like etc.

It's still in play, will update the community when a few things are talked through.

Hey Effects, Patrick, etc... Is that Dev4 thing still in play?  I figured the silence meant that things didn't work out.

That is, indeed, the deal they are taking weeks to "consider".

Just to make clear one point in your post is a bit confusing: Yes, if and when VRC reaches 0.001, dev4 would buy those 500k at current price -of today- and the donors will receive the proceeds from him, so, in fact, they would have not put a single VRC into the deal.

Not completely clear either is the term of this deal, but we were led -by Drkman- to believe that it would be up to the end of the year or earlier.

I would reiterate my previously posted question to Drkman, is "boxxa" 'dev4'?

Bingo ... thank you for confirming what I have been arguing here for weeks. The coin is indeed stagnating and slowly dying while the rest of crypto is evolving. Also thank you for confirming that the main issue is the incapable dev team - obviously that's why you have been recruiting a new developer.

Once sensible VRC holders recognize the problem, then we are very much on the way to find the solution. (The hurrah optimist cheerleaders and uninformed VRC holders won't be happy but they will come around)

One possible solution is what you actually suggest:
Step 1: to educate the vocal cheerleaders and uninformed VRC holders that indeed there are serious problems with VRC, the coin is sitting idle and slowly dying (as you identified the sate of VRC correctly) and there's no need to be emotional when the problems are pointed out
Step 2: to reduce the infinite arrogance of the developers by about 90%
Step 3: increase the expertise within the team and feature set within the application by bringing your new developer into the operation

EDIT:
Step 1-3 could be parallel process, but all necessary to end the endless debate here and move forward.

Err... dude, we have had a long series of encounters (encounters online, that is), Nosker, Pike and me, so whenever they post something here, there's never just "chill out", ok? We know very, very well -them and me- that they want to effect the highest level of censorship. They have both DONE so -many times- and expressed to that effect several others. So no, it isn't "chill out" it is, indeed, trying to justify exercising censorship. Period. And hey... dude, it's ok with me: They will not silence the criticism, the very well deserved criticism and, as usual, the move will bite themselves in the arse. Like every single decision, so far, has.

This is not new, of course (nothing -but the initial new standard of transparency... what an irony that is going to be...- in in Vericoin, everything seems to be copy/paste, even behaviors) and was implemented already and by very much the same reasons, by BlackCoin which these guys want so desperately to copy... only thing is that, as usual, they will not learn from their mistakes: Since they closed the unmoderated forum, BC has never ceased to go down.

Not only I haven't been a "bad boy" I have been, actually, the ONLY one here that, in spite of the relentless attacks, has not retaliated at all and has not uttered a single bad word... the effect though, is the same: We are dealing with beasts of the worst kind. And beasts would be beasts. End of that story.

My spelling is just fine, it's simply that posting from a smartphone is tedious and prone to errors.

As for the image of Vericoin, what can you expect when the dev team has not done anything at all since launch and most of their "efforts" are concentrated on establishing widespread censorship and actually exercising it on a daily basis wherever they are allowed to? The beasts here don't help, of course, but the ill is endemic and deeply rooted in the origins. These guys, the devs, lack everything that is needed to carry on a project like this: Technical skills -we don't have any doubts in that department, do we?-, leadership and a clear, defined goal... let alone any semblance of a plan to achieve it. Even the tag "good guys" has already been destroyed (by them). So what's left is a great community -that will be ashamed of the "supporters" that post here- that is more than ready to jump off the boat as soon as the losses are somewhat diminished. So the image of Vericoin has been dirtied, and not precisely by those like myself that look at the project with detailed and specific criticism but -I repeat- by the devs themselves and, more specifically, their fully evidenced gross incompetence at every single level.

Now, these are not "accusations" or "wild theories"... this is a real, specific action: When the theft happened, Patrick Nosker transferred from his personal account 200k VRC to Mintpal. Acknowledged and widely known fact. I have received, from the horse's mouth, an "explanation" that wouldn't convince a 2 year old, to justify such move. So why not try again and for everyone to see the extent of the ridiculousness of the "explanation". That would be "transparency", wouldn't it? It's nothing particularly "wild" and definitely not a "theory". It is also not an "accusation" since it is a not denied fact... why try to dissolve it like it never happened, like you are doing? Mudding the waters is the opposite of transparency. And you want transparency, don't you?

Ive read them I would Jump on that deal that was suggested in those posts thats why the comment they where Negotiating confused me l8er.
I thought that was the deal dev4 asked for as u stated in your post.(wich as i posted before is a DreamDeal for us)
I also havent seen anything from the Devs linking to where i could Vote on this or ask me to contribute x VRC.
This should be on the vericoin.info voting / commenting.
I vote TO TAKE THAT DEAL TODAY!
If we cant raise 500k to put in escrow for this we might as well give up now. I will be more then happy to put in my share.

Just to be Clear as I understand it We Put 500k in Esrcow @ current market value so lets say 9k.
Dev4 Will work on this coin for Free.
If and when the price hits 100k sat he can go to the Escrow and @ that time BUY those coins for 9k sat price @ that time u will get paid for your coins.

As deals go they dont get much better then that , If im wrong or missed something please correct me i just want to understand the deal properly.
 

Good news for the community, coin price analysis on VRC coming soon!

Zoidberg??  Maybe Dev4

I think there is a place for everything. It is very hard to find relevant information here I agree with you on that. Just a few days ago I posted a website trybtc.com that I think a vericoin community member should try to produce. This provides a simple step by step guide to bring people into the community, and show them a professional, clean first impression.

If people want to spend time here its because the virtual currency culture has led people to. Generally people believe there investment will go up 100% a week, or something is wrong.

People use these forums because when the flavor of the month is gone its oops, onto the next one! The true VeriCoin supporters will find those outlets and express themselves where appropriate. People will use this forum to post gif's, chearleed, and do other things they think will hold value in another PnD'ers eyes. You build momentum on this forum once you have a real product. The more excitement behind your product, the longer you have peoples attention here. Once the "game" is up you tend to get left with a lot of "bad apples" until the next game starts.

Then everyone forgets the anomosity and praises the short term price gains with " I told you so's " high fives, moon gif's and predictions of 500k satoshi. That is, unless failure is inevitable, than the price will return to its fair market value.


;TLDR, taking away this forum is a dangerous move. You remove yourself from the circle of pump and dumps. Which, to me has been the target crowd for all VRC related activity recently. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Without your pumpers holding this coin attempting to profit down the road, then it would be in much more dire straights today.

But would you agree its Impossible for people to find the relevant information in this thread without digging through a insane quantity of A&B Vs "Fanboys" (their term).
I just want a little peace  Leave this thread open and let them slug it out but give Me and i think many others a moderated thread where we can read about updates plannes etc.
I dont like IRC , i Tried VRC Radio i cant listen to that everytime nor would i want to.
I would prefer a thread with only 1 guy posting Relevant stuff , from irc or vrc radio or whatever source.
Or heavily moderated Questions fine but Save me from this type of bullshit with 4 people filling up a thread with yes no who has the biggest discussions.
As for altcoin uk generalising Everyone the devs and the community and said that we supported homofobes .u had some of my respect untill that moment.

Vericoin is an excellent crypto. The FUD, etc is typical and unnecessary.  I would like to see this thread become a point of reference for updates/logical VRC discussion. I have ignored some of the "troublemakers" in this thread.  As opposed to going on and on and on, let's just move forward with logical discussion. Some of the characters that we're arguing with here are known to do this kind of thing.  They have intentions, underhanded intentions.  I've seen this kind of thing before from the same parties involved in the "FUD-stirring" in this thread.  These people are mostly criminals.  It's unfortunate that we don't have the ability to better moderate this thread.

B4C, don't let the degradation of this forum persuade you into thinking VeriCoin is languishing.  There is actually a very healthy community of vericoin leaders that are working on many things to make this coin and the community stronger, including a very nice moderated forum. (It will be announced soon, and intelligent discussion of opposing views will be welcome there).

Basically, this thread has been successfully hi-jacked by a few people, and I am now very much in favor of locking this thread and redirecting serious conversations to the new forum.  I am very disappointed in the behavior I have witnessed here on both sides of the coin.  It is one thing to support free speech, but when a civil discourse cannot be had, it's time to move on.

Lock it and leave it, is my advice.

Speaking from personal experience. The things holding me back from further investment in this coin are not forum posts from people speaking a critical point of view. It's everything that is happening in the culture of the community.

The ones who are critical, have every right. They should know better than to be so abbrasive sometimes, sure.

The ones who chearlead have every right, though sometimes they ignore common sense, sure.



The fact of the matter is people are frustrated with the lack of leadership, and experience this team has displayed. They express it in their own ways. Some get "angry" some offer ideas, and ways to move forward. One common theme is people have no clue a direction to go, no real, attainable goals to work toward. And the lack of direction lets people spend time here arguing over everything, that they could be using to advance virtual currencies. Instead you come here, and argue with each other in the most useless ways possible.

Go ahead, censor this forum, it just shows the ignorance of what vericoin has become. You don't take away free speach. You offer more places to speak freely. WTF is wrong with this coin and its leaders I will never understand, But I certainly don't see the long term vision anymore working out under current leadership / community culture.

This team has proven they can see out a few satoshi's in value of vericoin(short term), Longterm value they have not created 1 iota. I don't think they have any real idea how to become "mainstream" other than hoping a community member picks up this whole coin and takes it with them.

I'ts not Barrabas and AltcoinUK. Stop blaming others.

I agree! Please close this bullshit. Nobody can find any news on the last hundred pages, just flaming and spamming. It's contraproductive.

Regards,
Michael 

+10000000

refraining myself from going full retard on them again... i promised i wouldn't reply to them ... so i won't , but I'm counting on the devs to do the right thing..

Pat, Doug and David...this destructive thread needs to be closed!

Please do what needs to be done!