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Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.
no one here takes altcoinUK seriously anymore...no need for an explanation everyone knows the story was twisted to make you look like a scammer, as for the name calling ,your right but this has gone too far and I'm positive you read every single post... everyone has a breaking point and we all tried to stay civil but this has gone to a lvl that is irreversible and unfortunately some of us broke (me included) and not proud of it... i realize your against the notion of shutting down this thread , but if its gonna stay open then we shouldn't be diverted to get informed through other sources like irc or other threads, but should have a continuous flow of updates and information to continue being posted here, cause keeping it open for nothing but a war zone(which is what it has become) is completely useless.. let the haters go open a vrc haters club thead...i know you believe in a couple months this will resort itself ,but i think it'll just get worse...

thanks though for making it clear for others Smiley
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Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate.

Lol. And that has somehow turned into you facilitating a scam on some innocent buyer. Please... that is some silly shit.

There's also a big fly in the ointment.

AltcoinUK is claiming that this "buyer" is an innocent victim who somehow had no idea how much VeriCoin was actually worth at the time. Prior to Reavon offering to Escrow the trade (and prior to effects saying that Reavon is legit), this "buyer" posted a screenshot from the VRC page on MintPal. How could he not know the current price of VRC when he's taking screenshots of it? In this screenshot, he had plugged the numbers into the buy side (400K VRC @ 0.00033... 132 BTC). In order to do that, he had to actually type over the current value of the coin to put that 0.00033 into the text field.

When things later turned sour, this "buyer" claimed that he hadn't checked the exchanges for the price. He seemed to have forgotten the MintPal screenshot. Smiley

I don't buy for a second that this guy didn't know what the current price was. He was just playing along, waiting for an opportunity to run his scam... or bail if the opportunity didn't present itself.
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So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

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Aspergers?

come on now...that's not nice, barabbas has feelings you know  Smiley
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That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause were trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?

I was in contact with HermanW on IRC and I offered to try and find him a buyer, I told him to do his research before he did any buying.  I asked you to send me a pic of you wallet to confirm funds. Which you quickly decided not to do. That was the end of our interaction, now how was that a scam? Connecting two parties is not scamming someone. Holding escrow for two parties on an agreed price is not scamming. It's the responsibility of the seller and the buyer to do their research before a transaction. You should know this if you are a business man...as you say.

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Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.
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That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing is getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause was trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?
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not everyone goes to irc the majority of people come here for their information... if they don't agree with shutting this thread down then i would expect the information/voting etc. to continue to be posted here...
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

How can anybody make a decsion on Dev4?. We have no idea who he is?  What he's offering? or what he wants for a deal?  What are the targets?. How many coins involved?. Time limit on hitting targets?. What his intentions after?You Have to be kidding. Decide??? on what?

NO! on  Dev4!


I tend to agree with you but if he was thoroughly vetted and found to be a person of integrity then I would probably reconsider.
same here Smiley
I'm sure well hear about it soon.

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Asking us to vote/pm  before we get any information about the deal beeing made makes no sense.
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So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

 Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Aspergers?
literally loll

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So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

 Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Aspergers?
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So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

The above description of the event is purely based on the IRC trans-cript, what I described above are what EffectsToCause, Reavon and other users said/did in the IRC channel - and what an investor who just logged in could see in the IRC channel.

From investors viewpoint it is more important EffectsToCause's role in the scam, that he was actively facilitating an escrow to sell VRC for the 4 times of current market price, then discuss random user altcoinUK is a liar or not, don't you think?

However, if you make the accusation of that I am related in any form to the IRC scammers, if you accuse me of having any roles in that scam and you imply that I scam peoples in the IRC channel, then lets submit a subpoena to get the TCP/IP details including IP addresses and who was who in that shameful act. Are you still accusing me that I scam people in the IRC channel?



That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

The above description of the event is purely based on the IRC trans-cript, what I described above are what EffectsToCause, Reavon and other users said/did in the IRC channel - and what an investor who just logged in could see in the IRC channel.

From investors viewpoint it is more important EffectsToCause's role in the scam, that he was actively facilitating an escrow to sell VRC for the 4 times of current market price, then discuss random user altcoinUK is a liar or not, don't you think?

However, if you make the accusation of that I am related in any form to the IRC scammers, if you accuse me of having any roles in that scam and you imply that I scam peoples in the IRC channel, then lets submit a subpoena to get the TCP/IP details including IP addresses and who was who in that shameful act. Are you still accusing me that I scam people in the IRC channel?


WOW LOL your worried about what potential investors "watching the irc" are thinking?! lololololol no no wait.................bahhahahahhahahhahahahahahahahha thats the best thing I've heard come out of your mouth in days!!! lolololol 

how about just worry about what potential investors are thinking when they come HERE( where most potential investors check first) and read your constant repetitive filth..

loll this one was the best though lololl got to hand it to you lol

altcoinUK: "The above description of the event is purely based on the IRC trans-cript, what I described above are what EffectsToCause, Reavon and other users said/did in the IRC channel - and what an investor who just logged in could see in the IRC channel."

bahahahhahhahah so cute , i didn't realize how much you cared what other potential investors thought...LOL

keep digging that hole lol EVEN barabbas made it clear he has nothing to do with you... thats when you know your really done... lol
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

How can anybody make a decsion on Dev4?. We have no idea who he is?  What he's offering? or what he wants for a deal?  What are the targets?. How many coins involved?. Time limit on hitting targets?. What his intentions after?You Have to be kidding. Decide??? on what?

NO! on  Dev4!


I tend to agree with you but if he was thoroughly vetted and found to be a person of integrity then I would probably reconsider.
same here Smiley
I'm sure well hear about it soon.
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

The above description of the event is purely based on the IRC trans-cript, what I described above are what EffectsToCause, Reavon and other users said/did in the IRC channel - and what an investor who just logged in could see in the IRC channel.

From investors viewpoint it is more important EffectsToCause's role in the scam, that he was actively facilitating an escrow to sell VRC for the 4 times of current market price, then discuss random user altcoinUK is a liar or not, don't you think?

However, if you make the accusation of that I am related in any form to the IRC scammers, if you accuse me of having any roles in that scam and you imply that I scam peoples in the IRC channel, then lets submit a subpoena to get the TCP/IP details including IP addresses and who was who in that shameful act. Are you still accusing me that I scam people in the IRC channel?

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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.
well said and everyone on irc is aware of these guys hence the reason they toyed with the situation Wink
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.

You are right ScottAllyn, before jumping into conclusion we need to get the facts. The facts are

- A user called Herman was looking for a VRC seller in the IRC channel saying that he is not familiar with altcoin, but he would trust the sellers in the official IRC channel and he has 132 BTC
- There were many users sitting in the IRC room and witnessed this, including one of my friend who has 100k VRC and logged in not long before that event to see if there are any news about DEV4
- Someone, a regular IRC user offered to sell his VRC for the price of 0.00033, 4 times higher than the price at the time saying for this inexperienced buyer that because the quantity is big, this is a fair price
- At that moment no one raised any issue with the deal and EffectsToCause and the German Verileader Reavon jumped in by saying that they will escrow a deal
- At that point a user started to complain that don't rip-off that inexperienced buyer and how on the earth is possible that the lead VeriCoin developer is orchestrating such rip-off
- Another IRC visitor user had complained as well saying that yes, that's not right
- EffectsToCause kicked-off the users who complained from the IRC channel
- 2 hours later a regular IRC user in this thread offered me a deal, saying that there is a buyer with 132 BTC and asked if I am interested in selling my coin for this user

According to the IRC trans-script these are the facts what users/investors who were sitting in the IRC room could see.

EffectsToCause who is man of high moral standards, doesn't like FUD and kicked-off users from the IRC channel who complained about his role in the ripp-off deal never ever said to Herman, that please go away, you can buy coin for 0.00008, you don't need to pay 0.00033 here. Instead of EffectsToCause - according to his essays is on a mission to serve human kind with decentralized digital currencies - was orchestrating a deal with a Verileader, Reavon to create an escrow and take the 132 BTC from Herman - to sell vericoin for 4 times the market price.

IRC users, existing and potential investors who visited the IRC room had no reason to assume that it is a joke as you said - all they could see that Doug Pike lead Vericoin developer  was part of rip-off deal.

First the shady association with Wizrig. Then the price pumping tweets from the devs, appearance in the exchanges troll-box, sending 200k VRC exchanges to dump it and now this escrow deal.
I don't think that's what investors expected when they read the PhD students and the MS developer CVs.


Those are not facts but assumptions!

Where can you purchase 400k VRC on any exchange? No one is selling right now just staking...
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I will send you some VRC to get you started and welcome! Don't let the "two yahoos" or as I like to call them A&B, let you think that they are part of this coin.

This community is strong! New moderated forum incoming  Shocked
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now.  They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up.  I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users.

Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers.  In any case.  If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it.  Easy and Done.

On a side note.  For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help.

How can anybody make a decsion on Dev4?. We have no idea who he is?  What he's offering? or what he wants for a deal?  What are the targets?. How many coins involved?. Time limit on hitting targets?. What his intentions after?You Have to be kidding. Decide??? on what?

NO! on  Dev4!


I tend to agree with you but if he was thoroughly vetted and found to be a person of integrity then I would probably reconsider.
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