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Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 524. (Read 1356170 times)

newbie
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If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
LoL rooting for the criminal.

Are you a wannabe criminal or an actual criminal?

Please actually read my post if you are going to quote parts of it.
Also, if you follow anything of what I have said today you will see that I am not rooting for the hacker.
Criminals are a cancer on society.

I do believe that we need a system that can't be hacked in this way though, otherwise it will keep happening.
By saving the exchange we allow its survival and the environment in which this happened.
It is good Mtgox is dead.
If you have cancer on your body, sometimes you need to cut your leg off.
If you just put a bandaid on it, the cancer grows.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?

It is funny for you to reach and try to find something to insult me on.

Nope as I already said...it is purely and solely to out the bullshit that has gone on today for what it is.

You must be really butthurt. Idk why but it seems to be so Smiley Now ignore this fudster baby shit coin holder.

Obviously by your immature verbbage you are the one that is butthurt.

Did I say something you didn't like? Cry more please. Thanks  Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

To the people saying: "they had to! so many coins too much for one person to own! they can attack the network!"
Just think about it.... those coins are being rolled back and going back to one entity.. Mintpal.
If it is unsafe in one entities hands, what does it matter if that entity is the hacker or Mintpal when it comes to the security of the network.

If the system inherently protects itself, as Bitcoin and all crypto's are allegedly designed to do, then it will protect itself in hands of hackers as well as exchanges. If more is to be gained by holding the stake than abusing the stake then all is safe.

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
I would send most of the coins to a ridiculous and inaccessible wallet called something like Mintpalsucksandhasnosecurity.
In that way you would destroy the coins, keeping a fee for showing this flaw to the community.
This would also negate the main reason for a rollback.


That is a very good question. I'd like to hear the answer to that.
member
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If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
LoL rooting for the criminal.

Are you a wannabe criminal or an actual criminal?
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
Wow.

I'm not someone for conspiracy theories and such.
But... please tell me that VeriCoin and VeriChip is just a very unlucky coincidence?

Hell maybe I have something wrong here...
someone here thinks that a coin like this is in keeping with Satoshi ideas?

Today we saw the bailout of an exchange.
I am sorry for the devs. It is not their fault they got put in this situation.
But the fact remains: they bailed out an exchange.

To the people saying: "they had to! so many coins too much for one person to own! they can attack the network!"
Just think about it.... those coins are being rolled back and going back to one entity.. Mintpal.
If it is unsafe in one entities hands, what does it matter if that entity is the hacker or Mintpal when it comes to the security of the network.
If the system inherently protects itself, as Bitcoin and all crypto's are allegedly designed to do, then it will protect itself in hands of hackers as well as exchanges. If more is to be gained by holding the stake than abusing the stake then all is safe.

If I was the hacker this is what I would do:
(Hacker take note)
I would send most of the coins to a ridiculous and inaccessible wallet called something like Mintpalsucksandhasnosecurity.
In that way you would destroy the coins, keeping a fee for showing this flaw to the community.
This would also negate the main reason for a rollback.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
What about those transactions that took place in the meantime?

What if someone actually transferred big amounts of vrc to cryptsy and dumped them for btc. And now he finds out he still got the coins in his wallet...  Grin

He will enjoy his Bitcoin !! Smiley Great job Vericoin for fucking this up !

This is but one thing that the devs did not address and will not.

"Hey guys I lost my vericoin lunch money...can we roll back?"
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?

It is funny for you to reach and try to find something to insult me on.

Nope as I already said...it is purely and solely to out the bullshit that has gone on today for what it is.
hero member
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What about those transactions that took place in the meantime?

What if someone actually transferred big amounts of vrc to cryptsy and dumped them for btc. And now he finds out he still got the coins in his wallet...  Grin

He will enjoy his Bitcoin !! Smiley Great job Vericoin for fucking this up !
full member
Activity: 168
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What about those transactions that took place in the meantime?

What if someone actually transferred big amounts of vrc to cryptsy and dumped them for btc. And now he finds out he still got the coins in his wallet...  Grin
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.

But why? OH WHY? Why so concerned? You just lost a shit load of money on URO?
sr. member
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Like many others, I have a lot of Veri on Mint. The only reason its there, like everyone else, is to trade. No one uses Veri, so a rollback was feasible.

But it might have just fucked crypto in general.

What do you mean, you can rollback Bitcoin? That's what every government around the world will be told. That's what every bank is going to spell out as to why they won't allow crypto.

As soon as possible, I'm dumping my entire holding.

Stupid fucking decision.
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1491
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Mintpal has not provided proof (as far as I am aware) they were indeed hacked and not just claimed to have been hacked.

This sets a precedent now.

I can see a user getting 20% of the coin supply in the future...selling them for BTC or buying something for VRC and after they get what they want they can just cry foul and ask for the devs to roll back the VRC blockchain because they claimed they had coins stolen that were of "substantial" amount.

This is a joke what happened today.

Oh shit, you've been here all day all night arguing about vericoin. Why so fucking concerned as you aren't even holding any VRC? We know your intentions, now get lost and let it be.

Obviously you know nothing.

My purpose here is to out the bullshit as much as some of you may want to suppress it.
hero member
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Merit: 500
We agree that this situation looks like PayPal fraud department f**** . Yeah i stop using Paypal for over 1 year since Bitcoin . I have no idea what people say here that PayPal is successful as many bussines understand how much harm they actually do . But did they had any other option till Bitcoin ? No .

Also here is our article : http://247cryptonews.com/vericoin-lack-integrity-bailout-mintpal-mistake/  
Not much but we want people to find out how stuff are going on . If i had 30% of vericoin and i have been hacked i bet all my bitcoins that Vericoin Team wouldn't have moved a single finger . We had a few Vericoins , now heading on Bittrex to sold them all . This entire operation it's becoming shady . Oh sh*t can't dump ....bittrex has VRC disable .

Goverment - Bailouts Banks . Vericoin - Bailouts Mintpal Smiley
full member
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This coin, it's devs and mintpal are frauds! Cant trust anything from them anymore.

SCAM COIN, ROLLBACK SCAM, FEDERAL RESERVE!

lol, just posting this without any details is shit. Just spend your time elsewhere.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
Paypal is only successful because the powers that be allow it.
PayPal is successful because of demand.

Without demand you have what is common today, crypto that is good for laundering money and not much use in mainstream economy.

Paypal is popular because there is little alternative. That is why. Now Bitcoin comes along...watch paypal go the way of the dodo bird.
member
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Paypal is only successful because the powers that be allow it.
PayPal is successful because of demand.

Without demand you have what is common today, crypto that is good for laundering money and not much use in mainstream economy.
legendary
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Once the issue gets resolved and the devs and community come back to the thread, its going to be a fucking circus with all the fudders. See you later VRC thread, prob will be locked.



This ^ is what I see given what happened today with the rollback.

No rules just roll it back.

Future implications of roll backs need to be addressed. They devs said they will never do it again. I doubt that.

What if 30% gets stolen again?

What % is the cut off to be considered "roll-back" material? 10%? 20%?
maybe then developer will go true way of development POS.

Anyway solutions to 30% staking should be implemented already, if VRC is PPC>NOVA>BC fork
and whole situation of 30% coins is just smoke screen of saving Mintpal exchange.


Here source of info.
Issues/controversies ( http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin )
Stake generation issues

The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]

This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]
Centralized check pointing
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(BC POS 2.0 make more to repel those kind of attacks too... )
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
I love how competitors are using the comparison to PayPal while simultaneously ignoring how hugely successful PayPal actually is.

Paypal is only successful because the powers that be allow it.

Vericoin has no backing of the federal reserve in terms of approval.

Paypal is a broken system.
legendary
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Making money since I was in the womb! @emc2whale
Vericoin, the PayPal of cryptos


Yes, this "chargeback/rollback" bullshit is the same thing paypal would pull.
member
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I love how competitors are using the comparison to PayPal while simultaneously ignoring how hugely successful PayPal actually is.
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