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Topic: [ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released - page 99. (Read 1356140 times)

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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer. 

8 million coins were stolen. Also a big difference is the coins were stolen through no fault of the Vericoin developers.  From everything I have read the faulty code in ETH was known for about a year so if that was the case it wasn't a matter of if but when. After the rollback the team took a yea but cause with PoST so if something like the mental hacked ever happen again the coin couldn't be controlled. So it was a bad situation with people on both sides of the fence BUT they took that opportunity to improve the protocol for the better and that to be commended!!

+1 respect to VRC devs to not quitting but learning and evolving from the situation
Right now VRC is very interesting coin

Veri Interesting coin.
Devs have been working hard on PoST, and so far been great.
legendary
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer. 

8 million coins were stolen. Also a big difference is the coins were stolen through no fault of the Vericoin developers.  From everything I have read the faulty code in ETH was known for about a year so if that was the case it wasn't a matter of if but when. After the rollback the team took a yea but cause with PoST so if something like the mental hacked ever happen again the coin couldn't be controlled. So it was a bad situation with people on both sides of the fence BUT they took that opportunity to improve the protocol for the better and that to be commended!!

+1 respect to VRC devs to not quitting but learning and evolving from the situation
Right now VRC is very interesting coin
hero member
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer. 

8 million coins were stolen. Also a big difference is the coins were stolen through no fault of the Vericoin developers.  From everything I have read the faulty code in ETH was known for about a year so if that was the case it wasn't a matter of if but when. After the rollback the team took a yea but cause with PoST so if something like the mental hacked ever happen again the coin couldn't be controlled. So it was a bad situation with people on both sides of the fence BUT they took that opportunity to improve the protocol for the better and that to be commended!!
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer.  

+1 Coblee is kind of dick
I agree Cheesy

To be honest I don't see a big issue with projects hard forking in their infancy. However billion dollar chains hard forking to cater for their founder's investment... I do have an issue with that.
legendary
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer.  

+1 Coblee is kind of dick
I agree Cheesy
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

It was really amazing at the time, because Vericoin was a much bigger deal then.  I can't recall the exact amount stolen, but I believe it was a large percentage of all the VRC in existence.  So much that if VRC hadn't forked it would be effectively dead.  So in that sense I think it was a little different than the ETH situation, where ETH would be hurt badly but probably could survive even without a fork.  The VRC fork was a big enough deal though that I remember LTC dev Coblee arguing angrily against it (seemed like kind of a dick about it to be honest).  Anyway you're right; VRC is sort of the fork-to-prevent-theft trailblazer. 
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 come on everybody hop up on the band wagon.

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legendary
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I was diagnosed with brain parasite
ICO?Huh??  yay!!!!!!

 come on everybody hop up on the band wagon.

Yes.  Master.   

Remember folks, BTCtalk has trolls, try not to feed them or get caught in their vortex of false truths.      We all do not have to agree, just be careful how you reply to others and when it is best to just ignore.    A good way to tell a troll from a real genuine discussion is when someone disagrees based on assumed "facts" and runs with it.
Ignore the trolls.

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ICO?Huh??  yay!!!!!!

 come on everybody hop up on the band wagon.

Yes.  Master.   

Remember folks, BTCtalk has trolls, try not to feed them or get caught in their vortex of false truths.      We all do not have to agree, just be careful how you reply to others and when it is best to just ignore.    A good way to tell a troll from a real genuine discussion is when someone disagrees based on assumed "facts" and runs with it.
Ignore the trolls.
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY

Your questions have answers, but it is best you go here to ask and reply https://twitter.com/VeriCoin/status/743812040377139201   as Vericoin devs have made statements it seems, like this from Douglas Pike https://twitter.com/effectsToCause/status/743890800048750592

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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY
That's the answer. See:
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Seems like the ETH / DAO crisis has fuelled a trip down memory lane for a lot of folks on Polonibox, linking a possible ETH rollback with VRC's rollback and the following crash. Could you guy explain what happened then, how did you make that decision and how are you preventing it from happening again? I think this is the best way to avoid rumours and false information from spreading in this veri sensible period.
TY
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ICO?Huh??  yay!!!!!!

 come on everybody hop up on the band wagon.

Yes.  Master.   

Remember folks, BTCtalk has trolls, try not to feed them or get caught in their vortex of false truths.      We all do not have to agree, just be careful how you reply to others and when it is best to just ignore.    A good way to tell a troll from a real genuine discussion is when someone disagrees based on assumed "facts" and runs with it.
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ICO?Huh??  yay!!!!!!

 come on everybody hop up on the band wagon.














on more serious note.

most people would focus on securing and maintaining a LIQUID market (which vrc is not and has not been for over a year) that is actually used for the one coin they already have before adding another in to the mix.

and how can the devs promise to support this new coin at a set exchange rate with out heavy manipulation or negatively impacting the market of vericoin


it would seem to some that...

that this ICO is an attempt to replenish the devs warchest that was given away and regain a percentage of stake in the vericoin network with out actually having to spend the bitcoins to aquire it.


but we digress

maybe this is the best option after all after handing over a large % of the network to a group that will never stop using vrc to bolster up their own projects or allow for vrc to exceed the value of them




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So if I'm right the ICO is going to happen through the vericoin wallet?
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VeriCoin & Verium Creator/Developer
What will happen to VRC after the verium buy/swap ? will it still exist as a trade able coin in its current format ?

VeriCoin isn't going anywhere. The swap is just to reward some holders with the ability to get some "gold" since they have "cash" already and at a discount. Only 25% of VRC at most will be swapped. The swapped VRC will be used for bounties, to cover hard costs (such as hosting the website and services), for marketing and PR for VRC and VRM, etc. to be decided on in the future.

I guess I thought the swapped VRC was going to be burned.  So to get verium, you need to buy with vericoin, but all the vericoin that is paid will be sold in order to support verium and add additional marketing for vericoin? When you say at most 25% of VRC will be swapped are you saying 25% of total VRC coins in circulation could eventually be sold to support this project?

The community will decide what is done with the funds via a vote, but one of the best ideas out there I think is to hold about 50% of the ICO fund in perpetuity and stake it.  The stake earnings could cover all the hard costs for the long term and sale of the stake earnings will be minimal and spread out over time.  If this were the case about 50% would be frozen and this could be enforced via a multisig setup.
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What will happen to VRC after the verium buy/swap ? will it still exist as a trade able coin in its current format ?

VeriCoin isn't going anywhere. The swap is just to reward some holders with the ability to get some "gold" since they have "cash" already and at a discount. Only 25% of VRC at most will be swapped. The swapped VRC will be used for bounties, to cover hard costs (such as hosting the website and services), for marketing and PR for VRC and VRM, etc. to be decided on in the future.

I guess I thought the swapped VRC was going to be burned.  So to get verium, you need to buy with vericoin, but all the vericoin that is paid will be sold in order to support verium and add additional marketing for vericoin? When you say at most 25% of VRC will be swapped are you saying 25% of total VRC coins in circulation could eventually be sold to support this project?
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There should be Verium branded platinum bars eventually Smiley
I'm sure someone will make one soon.
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There should be Verium branded platinum bars eventually Smiley
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That's a cool looking coin. Wish I had one of them.
Holding my VRC though.
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