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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 403. (Read 1276916 times)

legendary
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As an immediate solution, we will let our custodians provide PoR and PoC on a daily basis and we will syndicate this data on our site. We are looking at http://www.bullionvault.com/audit.do that appears to have solve the daily auditing-report problem, but it still not the provably-at-a-distance-true that you're asking.

I'd recommend Mike Maloney's GoldSilver or Gold Bullion International.
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I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.

agreed.

If you are not here as a trader than 0.005 or 0.02 does not matter at this point. if we truely believe that this can become a platform for financial products and betting using XCP as a base currency than we should be thinking hundreds of millions and than billions in market cap value. 0.1btc is 172M cap. 0.5 is 860M (recently aurora). Aim there and then you realize that you should hold on and contribute here.

In one of the posts in NXT I believe, one fellow shared that he bought 1200 BTCs for $1 at the time. He sold them all for $10. Felt he made a great deal at the time.



Yeah but he didn't sell with the idea to quickly buy back after the price dropped. that's what I'm planning to do here. I sold about 20% of my holdings @ 0.0075 Waiting for 0.006 or lower to buy back.

If you dont sold when its go to bter and was ~0.010-0.014 i dont see reason sell now, it was really clear price will drop if china no start buy and why they dont start buy is because they have get big loses with everything they have buy in last few months..
sr. member
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Simcoin Puny Humans Communicator
Yeah but he didn't sell with the idea to quickly buy back after the price dropped. that's what I'm planning to do here. I sold about 20% of my holdings @ 0.0075 Waiting for 0.006 or lower to buy back.

Since I'm not selling anytime soon I hope you get a nice dip halfcab.  Cheesy Good luck bro
sr. member
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Simcoin Puny Humans Communicator
I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.

agreed.

If you are not here as a trader than 0.005 or 0.02 does not matter at this point. if we truely believe that this can become a platform for financial products and betting using XCP as a base currency than we should be thinking hundreds of millions and than billions in market cap value. 0.1btc is 172M cap. 0.5 is 860M (recently aurora). Aim there and then you realize that you should hold on and contribute here.

In one of the posts in NXT I believe, one fellow shared that he bought 1200 BTCs for $1 at the time. He sold them all for $10. Felt he made a great deal at the time.



That's what I've been saying all along. Preach it brother
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Digitizing Valuable Hard Assets with Crypto

How will this "Proof of Reserves" and "Proof of Custody" work?
Why would coin holders trust you are honestly relaying the PoR and PoC of the custodians?
How do we know that you didn't make a deal with the custodians to keep a fractional reserve in exchange for interest?
Why not have the custodians make the PoR and PoC public, so we don't have to trust you, but only the custodians?

But really, I'm the most curious about proof of reserve and proof of custody. How are the custodians going to proof they really have the gold they say they have?

That's crucial.

We can be forgiven for believing that established gold bar sellers & custodians with whom we partner have a greater vested interest in their company's industry survival than cheating in the market by doing fractional reserve deals with us.  

You bring up an excellent point that Bitcoin Tangible Trust could find itself the victim of a fraudulent gold seller targeting our company with outright dishonesty (at a distance) about their physical gold stores. How do we know it's provably-at-a-distance-true that our partners actually have the gold they say they will sell us or hold in custody?

As an immediate solution, we will let our custodians provide PoR and PoC on a daily basis and we will syndicate this data on our site. We are looking at http://www.bullionvault.com/audit.do that appears to have solve the daily auditing-report problem, but it still not the provably-at-a-distance-true that you're asking.

Nonetheless, it's a start and we think a baseline industry-practice for any companies that want to do this business.



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Code:
Block: 290282
Block: 290283
Block: 290284
Order: give 2970.0 BTC for 3000.0 MPBTC in 8000 blocks, with a provided fee of 0.00297 BTC and a required fee of 0.0 BTC (bb556139ccbefef42f14917e961e5c798197ca100c5c462a1577a858ac2c004f) [valid]
Block: 290285
Order: give 2000.0 XCP for 10160.0 MPUSD in 200 blocks, with a provided fee of 5e-05 BTC and a required fee of 0.0 BTC (6b633115f74b1a209cec32bbaad6cb584a986acf567c2e30b7240a108ce3e6dc) [valid]
Block: 290286
Block: 290287

uhh.. what in the purple dinosaurs is going on here. Someone paid 2970 BTC for 3000 MPBTC ?
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I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.

agreed.

If you are not here as a trader than 0.005 or 0.02 does not matter at this point. if we truely believe that this can become a platform for financial products and betting using XCP as a base currency than we should be thinking hundreds of millions and than billions in market cap value. 0.1btc is 172M cap. 0.5 is 860M (recently aurora). Aim there and then you realize that you should hold on and contribute here.

In one of the posts in NXT I believe, one fellow shared that he bought 1200 BTCs for $1 at the time. He sold them all for $10. Felt he made a great deal at the time.



Yeah but he didn't sell with the idea to quickly buy back after the price dropped. that's what I'm planning to do here. I sold about 20% of my holdings @ 0.0075 Waiting for 0.006 or lower to buy back.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.

agreed.

If you are not here as a trader than 0.005 or 0.02 does not matter at this point. if we truely believe that this can become a platform for financial products and betting using XCP as a base currency than we should be thinking hundreds of millions and than billions in market cap value. 0.1btc is 172M cap. 0.5 is 860M (recently aurora). Aim there and then you realize that you should hold on and contribute here.

In one of the posts in NXT I believe, one fellow shared that he bought 1200 BTCs for $1 at the time. He sold them all for $10. Felt he made a great deal at the time.

full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
CabTrader v2 | crypto-folio.com
I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.

agreed.
sr. member
Activity: 316
Merit: 250
Simcoin Puny Humans Communicator
I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.

You could be right. But I hate day trading especially with XCP because if I'm wrong it will affect my long term holdings. And Counterparty
is definitely a long term holding.
newbie
Activity: 48
Merit: 0

Agreed. "Proof of Reserves" or "Proof of Custody" we are working on at this moment. We can get proof from our custodian companies holding gold and have them share an update once a day. Thanks for sharing this. We're working on that process as of this writing.

How will this "Proof of Reserves" and "Proof of Custody" work?
Why would coin holders trust you are honestly relaying the PoR and PoC of the custodians?
How do we know that you didn't make a deal with the custodians to keep a fractional reserve in exchange for interest?
Why not have the custodians make the PoR and PoC public, so we don't have to trust you, but only the custodians?

But really, I'm the most curious about proof of reserve and proof of custody. How are the custodians going to proof they really have the gold they say they have?

That's crucial.
full member
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CabTrader v2 | crypto-folio.com
I think its pretty smart to sell a little now actually and buy back when it gets down to 0.005, which it may.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Great job guys and a valuable service.
The only thing that is needed right now is 'proof of reserves'. For example if you issue 100 gold coins. You need some form of proof/validity that you indeed hold the gold in custody (as you mention using industry standard procedures).
P.S - The link in the original post is broken.

Agreed. "Proof of Reserves" or "Proof of Custody" we are working on at this moment. We can get proof from our custodian companies holding gold and have them share an update once a day. Thanks for sharing this. We're working on that process as of this writing.

Would there be any point of 'broadcasting' this in Counterparty or would that just add noise to the blockchain?

I suppose one benefit if they were to independently broadcast their custody then it would viewable by all.
member
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FAQ link above I wonder should be http://bitcointangibletrust.com/faq/

Could do with making obvious whether delivery outside US is practical and whether that then has ++fees for that.

Answered this question. It's on a case-by-case basis that we will have to assess cost as delivery expenses may well be prohibitive relative to the price of the gold. We'll be keeping an eye on this, but this may be an opportunity for us to establish more custodian relationships with quality companies outside the US.
member
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Digitizing Valuable Hard Assets with Crypto
Great job guys and a valuable service.
The only thing that is needed right now is 'proof of reserves'. For example if you issue 100 gold coins. You need some form of proof/validity that you indeed hold the gold in custody (as you mention using industry standard procedures).
P.S - The link in the original post is broken.

Agreed. "Proof of Reserves" or "Proof of Custody" we are working on at this moment. We can get proof from our custodian companies holding gold and have them share an update once a day. Thanks for sharing this. We're working on that process as of this writing.
sr. member
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I reverted to syncing with the blockchain using the counterpartyd server command and manual install. It was taking way too long with the boottleXCP wallet Windows build (number 007). I am using Windows 7 Professional.

I used http://www.reddit.com/r/xcp/comments/1x6pnr/building_counterpartyd_in_windows_simple/
Make sure you are using Administrator for the cmd (CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER) for the instructions though.
As soon as the syn is done, I will do the latest commits and latest release of the daemon 6.6.
Cheers.


Hey guys,
as I've just posted on the official forums:


Windows build 009 for BoottleXCP is now available.
Includes the latest commits and counterpartyd daemon release 6.6:


https://github.com/JahPowerBit/BoottleXCP_binaries/releases

GPG signature for the executable:
Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12


iEYEABECAAYFAlMgxMkACgkQ0dQqIfkZdf77rwCeKpRirHAicNBeKcCC3grRnAU1
8K8AnRkVImeigIPjPpRnFa6kKVg3s2yM
=w1XJ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Got all kinds of errors on that... -___-

Thanks for reporting this.
Could you post the actual error message(s)?
Also which version of windows are you running?
legendary
Activity: 1120
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090930
Hey guys,
as I've just posted on the official forums:


Windows build 009 for BoottleXCP is now available.
Includes the latest commits and counterpartyd daemon release 6.6:


https://github.com/JahPowerBit/BoottleXCP_binaries/releases

GPG signature for the executable:
Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.12


iEYEABECAAYFAlMgxMkACgkQ0dQqIfkZdf77rwCeKpRirHAicNBeKcCC3grRnAU1
8K8AnRkVImeigIPjPpRnFa6kKVg3s2yM
=w1XJ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Got all kinds of errors on that... -___-

Thanks for reporting this.
Could you post the actual error message(s)?
Also which version of windows are you running?
newbie
Activity: 48
Merit: 0
We don't hold any physical gold.

All gold is held at the Custodian company.I will add this question to the FAQ as well. Thank you!

We are working on delivering "Proof of Custody" which will include insurance against theft and custodian loss. These centralized features already exist with most precious metal custodian services. However, we do believe that this service can be decentralized as well: Custodian Drone Storage Machines!

How will you prove that the custodian holds the gold to back every coin?
How does this insurance work? Will there be an independent insurance contract between the coin holder and an insurance company? Which insurance company?

Custodian Drone Storage Machines?  Huh
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Great job guys and a valuable service.
The only thing that is needed right now is 'proof of reserves'. For example if you issue 100 gold coins. You need some form of proof/validity that you indeed hold the gold in custody (as you mention using industry standard procedures).
P.S - The link in the original post is broken.
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