Topic: [ANN][XOM] Pre-Release|Coin and P2P Marketplace|Anon|Escrows|Reputation|and More - page 2. (Read 28422 times)

This.

What I like, it's that the era of Open Markets it's coming and I'm starting to see a new wave like the altcoins one, but about this stuff.

By the way, wtf about this?

Glad to see that info about this scammer has finally come to light.

JUST A  SCAM.

Move on. Nothing to see here folks!!!

 

I've got a lot of work to do to get the marketplace and coin software ready for release. So, I'm not going try to "pump" this thread, or make any heroic efforts to get it back on topic.

I will keep an eye on the thread. If anyone has any comments, questions, rebuttals or suggestions, I will be happy to respond.

Otherwise, I'm going to stay focused on the job of getting the beta release ready. When we are ready for beta testing, I will probably start another (self-moderated) announcement thread, and put out a call for beta testers. If you are interested in being a beta tester, or helping any other way with the project, please PM me or speak up here in the thread.

Best,
Rick

I think what you mean to say that is my problem with was your PR department at the time who was and is still engaged in a wide range of fraud.  A large part of which is a crowdfunding campaign for a vaporware algo that cant exist in the first place.

He simply tried to delete his existence and his words about code he wrote on his gofundme campaign.


Do you understand the quandary yet?  This is work and the real world. I don't take convicts personally.

Nigel

I would like to thank David and Nigel for taking (most of) their personal dispute out of this thread.

Perhaps now we can get back to the original topic.

Rick

Hi just a quick note here folks. I have FULLY qualified that Rick was entirely none the wiser about Dave Goehst.

He has fleeced a veritable truck load of folks and continues to do so. Those days are about to be over fortunately.

I will be compiling a few things here and removing a range of posts I made as to not take a dump on your forum or in this poor guys thread.  

I just happened to find the fellow as, what amounts to an article monkey, on their fund raising page.

I hope I didn't cause too many issues for these folks. Certainly... upon discovering he is not actually part of this initiative.

I wish Rick and the rest of the Omnicoin folks all the best.  I have been trying to get this all day. I am a tad swamped. I will have things cleaned up shortly.

regards,
Nigel

I don't think what you suggest is a bad idea, I just think we can do better.

If we distribute based on a BTC snapshot, we end up with a fairly broad distribution, but not a very even one. We would get stuck with the same "rich list" that BTC has now. Many of the current BTC holders might or might not care about having XOM to spend in the marketplace. And, really, our goal is to introduce millions of new users to cryptocurrency through the marketplace, not just churn the current small group of crypto enthusiasts.

It seems to me that it makes more sense to distribute XOM to a large number of people who opt in to receive them because they are interested either in the marketplace or the coin. Then, there is a lot better chance that the coins (and the marketplace) will get used.

We have no way of knowing in advance how many people will join, or how quickly the number of participants will grow. So, we will probably give slightly more coins to early adopters, compared to later adopters, to provide an incentive. But, the main plan is to get coins into the hands of a huge number of people.

The fairness part comes from not doing some huge pre-mine to pay investors or the developers. Our business plan is to make a tiny percentage on the transactions, rather than abuse the coin and the coin holders with an "insta-mine", "pre-mine", "ninja-mine", or the infamous "developer-and-friends-mine-all-the-coins-by-PoW-in-the-first-two-weeks, and-then-switch-to-PoS" trick.

Best, Rick

I'm pleased to announce that we are now "Trust Verified" by Coins Source. I will be adding the information to the OP in a few minutes.

Good suggestion. Thanks for your input.

Best,
Rick

Next up.. .MY PM with omnicoin I just got...

His note to me is as follows... I will separate some logic with #########

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It appears that I have been conned by David as well.

I hired David on Elance to do some PR and social marketing for the IndieGoGo campaign. His profile said that he had 32 successful jobs in the past year, many thousands of dollars in earnings, and a decent reputation.

Now that page appears to no longer exist on Elance.

You will find that I have removed David from the team page on IndieGoGo.

I asked him to remove his recent posts from the thread, and he appears to have done so.

Now, I am asking you to please remove your posts as well.

You have succeeded in getting him "fired" from OmniBazaar, and I have learned a valuable lesson. Your posts have served their purpose, and I would like them removed. I don't need or want the drama in my thread.

Thanks,
Rick

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Geez, When I post his words it frankly pisses me off even more, but here was my response I just sent to him.

Hello. I, in some vague sense or another, appreciate your candor.

I made it quite clear out of the gate that my issue was not with you folks, per say.

But, as Dave was on your page as your "PR Guy" I simply had to say something for obvious reasons.  It again, takes literally 2 clicks from any of about 10 websites to open up this can of worms and wind up right here.

With that being said, I am not quite done here.  Some of your positions(as far as I have bothered to read stuff) are not ok with me as far as it pertains to open source related matters.

I am simply trying to not conflate my issues with your PR guy and the campaign itself.  I am human like everyone else.

I am finding that a bit difficult right now. 

Mostly, because you think that hiding shit is somehow an answer to arriving at some sort of ethos for you folks.  As a result, I will be deleting exactly jack shit here.


What I mean by that is,  I could have saved you from even the front page of this thread, had you spoken to someone... fuck, anyone.... who actually understands how the internet works.

I, admittedly, learned some of that the hard way.

With that said, I am entirely too existential in nature to simply let this slide. I brought this headache upon myself and I am going to see it through regardless of how it turns out for me.  I blame the Grateful Dead and Albert Camus for that but, that is a conversation for another day.

When I see Dave's posts back, from his own doing, I will have a bit more faith in you... knowing that you will also approach things head on and with some respect for things that you kids didn't develop or frankly do not seem to understand in the first place.

In a perfect world, I would like to be entirely vindicated here. But, the world is not perfect nor am I,  or the people that populate it with me.  I ask nothing of you other than to frankly rethink a range of things.

We are all responsible for our own actions here and have to deal with the consequences accordingly.

That I could explain to you how to fix your mess in less than a paragraph is a moot point.  Its not why I am here. Nor do I have any reason to think you would actually change.


To be entirely too honest... Its Dave's abuse of "disruptive business models" like gofundme and indiegogo that pisses me off more than anything.

I am a grown ass man. I don't need his money.

Nigel

EDIT:

Update..... Dave has set his twitter account to private and canned the email that he used to threaten me last night... More proof that all those folks are one in the same.   Much like everything else, that guy doesn't realize his account is not actually deleted. 

I have found the folks that prosecuted him in the first place and got routed to the right jurisdiction after they tracked him down. He has until the end of business, like I said, to own his shit and pay me or his days as a free man are entirely numbered.  That dude is looking at 5+ years minimum apparently before you compound the fact he was already busted for financial fraud.  I suspect at this point the only reason that his gofundmecampaign is up because they are watching his ass and waiting for it to hit a certain fiscal threshold.

They more cash he gets, the more trouble he is in.

And... for the love of god. Put that guys posts back.  I would rather not have to post screenshots of them all.

Nigel

EDIT 2:

Next update:  The reddit thread in question has now been deleted but I can still get to all of that stuff from my account. Because, its not actually deleted.

You can find it here shortly  http://www.reddit.com/r/undelete

Proof positive that we are talking about Dave.
N.

EDIT 3:

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=609588

Found another verbatim post from the same guy. They were surprisingly easy to get to check the location of the IP involved in that post.  Not sure what I think about that.... but thanks...

N.

[Mod note: merged several posts together]

shit just got real! U should have had a social consensus!!! lol

I just got this from Dave in an email...

LOL.  You're having loads of fun trying to extort people out of money.  Not going to work.

Take your fake chat logs and shove them up your duplicitous ass - make one slick move, little boy, and I'll slap you around like a lawn dart, bitch.

Don't one single soul owe you a fucking dime - you're just a broke bitch trying to extort mother fuckers out of money, which anyone will laugh at.  So keep up with your threats - nobody actually takes you seriously, little faggot.


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So now he has confirmed for me that he is both of those folks as well.  Its in thunderbird so whomever I opt to let into my comp and meet me can qualify that as well.

Nigel

Here is the email header...

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And my several months of Trillian logs are with that account as well.  I guess its a coincidence ehh Dave?

Nigel

Hi folks. My name is Nigel.  I am here solely to qualify a range of things. 

For the sake of transparency... the PR guy associated with this project Dave Goehst straight up robbed me out of what appears to be about 750 dollars on a community development project.   I can prove this. No one has to take my word for anything.  This may or may not become germane to the conversation but as I selflessly throw myself out there I figure I might as well clear up a range of lies from this idiot.

To be clear, anything I say can be proven light years beyond the shadow of a doubt anyway.  I frankly could not sit by and do nothing after reading some of the rampant stupid going on in this thread.


Mojorisinup is Dave Goehst. He is also aboutfreelance, Roger Kowalewski, Roger Klawinski and Sarah Bitner( and a few more unrelated to this) I will get to those in a new thread.

Lets take a look at a few things.... On the first page of this thread Dave says....

"Let's define a scam (to establish what a scammer is) as Webster's states:

noun

1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle."

That is interesting, Dave.

http://www.ai.org/judiciary/opinions/pdf/06021005jgb.pdf   It seems you like to stick empty bank envelopes into ATM machines, remove the cash and wittingly try to cash obviously dodgy checks.

It would appear that you fit that description perfectly. 

He was also busted and banned from Digital Point forums for running some sorta bit coin mining scam  a few months ago.

https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/second-round-6-slots-55-roi.2713790/

That thread was started by "aboutfreelance"  When the staff figured out what he was doing  they merged his accounts together. (SAME IP's used for both accounts) I will be posting a range of other threads shortly that qualify he is not only both people but he used them both to prop up his fraud.(talk to himself)

Dave will proceed to lob ad hominem attacks at me now as he is known to do.  I am fully prepared for this. He typically will point out a very unflattering thread about me there as well in attempts to deflect the conversation away from himself. 

The thread is here https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/nigel-lew-issiue.2051958/

Some thoughts on that you can find here where Dave set up an account to astroturf this project by talking to himself with his aboutfreelance reddit account.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/2c6j7r/is_nigel_lew_jnlew_media_group_a_scam/


proof of that is here http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2jpr3g/cooperative_marketplace_built_for_cryptocurrency/



He is so freaking retarded that he actually thinks someone cant figure that out in 2 seconds. That account simply posts links to his own stuff, me or this campaign.  I hope I dont have to go to lengths to qualify that one.

I have screen shots of all this stuff too. He has a curious habit of trying to delete that stuff.

He has also made a range of entirely slanderous and defamatory remarks about me on reddit using a different account. 

I am trying to keep this on point here I just need to point out that not only is the guy a known convict he posts stuff like that to reddit thread pretending to be someone else entirely.

So a few things on that point. Its not only bullshit... but Dave is an article writer. He is not a programmer, but he has somehow figured out how to write code all of a sudden and produce a magic codified means to stop defamation http://www.gofundme.com/defeatdefamation

GET THAT?  Dude straight up posts defamatory shit about people but is making up a position against defamation... lol... FFS you cant make that shit up.

I frankly do not possess the vocabulary to say much about that other than its just more financial fraud.
Unless of course its legal to simply make shit up and get folks to pay me for nothing.

I have several months of daily conversations with him and range of ways to qualify that Dave is in fact all of those people and all coming from IPS in his town. (with in blocks).

I have a standing offer to anyone even remotely computer literate to fire up team viewer and I can walk you through months of stuff in about 20 minutes to qualify the following:

I also have a standing offer to proffer my entire hard drive to any relevant law enforcement agency who would like it. Midget porn and all.

1. Dave Goehst is in fact all of those people
2. That Dave is in no uncertain terms not a programmer, hence his go fund me campaign is a complete sham.
3. That Dave roams the internet as different people trying to deflect attention from himself like this
located here http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/advertzones-david-ghoest-published-links-articles-were-deleted-after-payment-is-done-c697502.html

Which is also entirely true as he has been punted from all of his writing gigs for selling links. No examiner.com, no huffpo, no nothing.

I will have more on his use of the word "duplicitous" and some other language I quite intentionally planted on him like "vernacular" and "rube" in a later thread if need be.


Out of the gate I have no inherent investment in this campaign. I am not party to any of the other people involved in it.

I will say that their position on open source matters is entirely disgusting and frankly untenable, though.  That is none of my concern though.

I am fully prepared for the ensuing bullshit as well. The more he talks about me and tries to deny things the worse its going to get for him.

I am going to be entirely transparent and human here. I am happy to answer questions, have someone log into team viewer so I can fire up trillian and you can read his own words.

With that said, I know shit about bitcoin itself so I don't have much to add here except perhaps this gem...

"This isn't your quintessential 'fly by night' shitcoin or underdeveloped dream - all the more reason anyone with an IQ greater than a grapefruit should be all over this."

Well, they don't have enough sense to even Google you apparently

https://www.google.com/search?q=dave+goesht&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

so your IQ of a grapefruit quip is pretty tenuous.

Not entirely germane per say but punching chicks is par for the course http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/07110701ehf.pdf   page 8 or 9 I forget. You may want to jump straight there though. That particular read is pretty unsettling.

I will have the relevant bits of him not capable of coding some algo to stop defamation sent off to gofundme shortly.

I am also happy to field any questions about me or anything else.

FULLY FUCKING TRANSPARENT  I was a real dick to a few folks, lacked decorum as I have mentioned as well.  Not to try and excuse anything but when people have to deal with folks like Dave they have a tendency to wig out. I have never scammed anyone and do not owe people cash. Am not banned from DP like Dave and half the folks in that thread for that matter.  I have simply gotten better at dealing with folk who try to rip me off.

Dave will, attempt at least, to suggest that I have edited or manufactured months and months of conversations with him and also that I am somehow not me because I route some stuff through my colleagues paypal account. He would further have you believe that I made that up as well and somehow manufactured 60 years of being on this earth.( I know, Facebook is hard)

I can in no uncertain terms qualify that as bullshit as well.

So Dave. You have until the end of business tomorrow to send me the $750 you owe me or I am going to send a metric shit ton of irrefutable evidence to the DA's office in your town, to gofundme and to indiegogo. Astroturfing reviews is a federal offense as well by the way.

I am pretty certain it will not take me more than 10 minutes to track down the first bunch that prosecuted you for fraud, which you weaseled down to theft... and then tried to weasel out of that as well.

While I know exactly what is about to happen here do not let this shitbag distract from the matter at hand. This is not about me. I just happen to be able to prove, in no uncertain terms, what is available about this cat. 

What is going on here is not about me. I know shit about bitcoin. 

I also have several more links and threads to stuff he was doing over there as well but I have to get a bit of work done. I actually do stuff.

EDITED TO ADD THE ALIAS Roger Klawinski  http://myventurepad.com/180891/freelancewriter

Nigel

Aright u talk about fair and self interesr? How about airdrop all omnis based on btc holders(snapshot btc chain)... that is the biggest community thus you cant use those arguments anymore... what will it be this time?

Instead of answering each individual post about "honoring the AGS/PTS consensus", I would like to address them all in a single post.

Attribution:

I have added mention of Bitshares X on the OP of this thread, under the heading of "OmniCoin Features". I will also add an attribution to other promotional materials in instances where it will not simply confuse the intended audience. I won't use the "Powered by Bitshares" logo, as my understanding is that it is reserved for projects that are either assets on the Bitshares blockchain or participating in the AGS/PTS "consensus". I apologize for the oversight of not attributing more clearly in the original post. It was never my intention to hide the fact that we are using the BTSX code base.

Consensus

The consensus in the rest of the crypto community is that the open source code of coin projects can be freely copied. Bitshares participates in this consensus by clearly and unambiguously sharing the code on GitHub using the "unlicense" license. Bitshares then essentially contradicts that consensus and that license by trying to create a separate "social contract" that would have developers pay a hefty price for using the open source code. I don't know of any other project that takes this approach, and I don't really understand the legal notion that would support this contradiction. I prefer to participate in the consensus of the rest of the crypto community -- the consensus that open source is actually free to copy and extend. Since the rest of the crypto community is larger than the subset of AGS/PTS investors, I am betting that I am on fairly safe ground by doing so.

Fairness

Accepting the AGS/PTS "consensus" would force us to launch OmniCoin in a manner that many people feel is unfair. In order to give 20% (or even 10%) of the coins to AGS/PTS, I would be required to "pre-mine" a very substantial number of coins. We wouldn't be the first to do an "pre-mine", and probably wouldn't be the last. But, we would prefer to distribute 100% of the coins broadly and fairly, to the users and service providers in the OmniBazaar marketplace. We feel that "Insta-mines", "pre-mines", "ninja-mines", and the like, put an unfair (and unnecessary) burden on the end users of a coin for the benefit of the developers, insiders, investors, and early adopters. Having said that, yes, we are offering OmniCoins as perks in our crowd-funding campaign. And yes, that will require that we "pre-mine" some small number of coins to distribute to the campaign contributors. But, that distribution will end up being a fraction of 1% (unless we end up more than 400% overfunded on our campaign). There is a big difference between 1% and 10 or 20%. And those coins will end up in the hands of the public, not the developers or some group of investors.

Legality

The legality of issuing coins to represent "equity" ownership in an asset or project is (in my opinion) questionable in many jurisdictions. For example, in the United States, the US Supreme Court has ruled (in SEC v. Howey) that a "securities contract" is defined as "a contract, transaction, or scheme whereby a person invests his money in a common enterprise and is led to expect profits solely from the efforts of the promoter or third party".

Let's say that the promoters "pre-mine" and issue a certain number of coins to development team, or make an "Initial Coin Offering" (ICO) to the public. As soon as someone purchases coins in that ICO, or buys those "pre-mined" coins from the promoters, with the expectation that the value will go up, we cross into very dangerous territory. I believe  that the SEC could (and will) take the position that the developers have offered and sold a security. The regulators would make the case that sale of the coin is a "transaction or scheme" where people are investing money (by buying coins), in a "common enterprise" (the company or group that created and sold the "pre-mined coins) with the expectation that the value of the coins will go up based on the efforts of the "promoters" (the company and its developers). This is especially true in the case of coins like AGS, "SuperNet", NXT, XCP, and others that overtly tell buyers that ownership of the coin represents ownership of (one or more) assets.

Unfortunately, I predict that we will see regulators challenge and attack some or all of these coins (and their developers) in the coming months and years. I don't think it will make much difference if the developers of the coin are incorporated in a jurisdiction outside the United States, or if the organization is a Distributed Autonomous Corporation (DAC). If a developers individually, or the "company" as a group sells to US citizens, they will be expected to comply with US laws. And, I think it is fairly clear that it doesn't make any difference if ICO coins were purchased using another cryptocurrency, like Bitcoin.

I really hope that this does not happen to the AGS/BTS team. But, I believe that overtly promoting AGS as an investment vehicle will make them a prime target for the SEC and other regulators. And, I think that any project that gives up a percentage of its coins to participate in the AGS/BTS consensus may find themselves stuck in the same legal quagmire. Beyond that, the scrutiny and regulations that result will likely be detrimental to the entire crypto community.

The above is precisely why we are offering investment in OmniBazaar exclusively through a standard Private Placement Offering, in strict conformance with US securities law. It is also why we have a very carefully considered plan for how we are going to distribute OmniCoins.

And it is another reason we are not particularly interested in being part of the AGS/BTS "consensus".

Self-Interest

The calls to conform to the "social contract" and participate in the AGS/BTS "consensus" are ultimately based in personal self-interest. Several posters have called me greedy or selfish for not giving up 20% of OmniCoins to their group. Yet these same posters ignore the fact that they are trying to protect and promote the value of an "asset" that they have "invested" in. They are promoting their own self-interest. And that's okay with me. Almost everyone on this forum, and almost everyone in the world does the same every day. So, let's be open and honest about it. Name calling doesn't accomplish anything, especially when it is "the pot calling the kettle black".

I won't apologize for protecting the interests of OmniBazaar stockholders, future OmniCoin holders, and myself, from calls to "share the wealth".

Value

I appreciate that the various posters see enough value and promise in OmniBazaar and OmniCoin to want a share of that value. There is a legal and fair way available for "accredited investors" to share in the value of the project (https://angel.co/omnibazaar-inc). We hope to make it possible for small investors to also participate in our offering on AngelList via a "syndicate". And there is a simple way for anyone to add value to the project through our crowd-funding campaign.

We believe we are bringing something valuable to the world with this project. I hope that everyone (including AGS/PTS investors) will accept it based on its merits.

I realize this is a very long post. Thank you, and congratulations, if you took the time to read it all the way through.

Best,
Rick

I see the OP has little to nothing to say in response.  So I will do my best to get you get you an image file to use...

Please consider being a decent human being and AT LEAST using it. 

I can honestly say I do not support your methods.  

So let me please get to why.


I am glad that you outwardly express that you wish no animosity, but sadly your actions speak much louder.  If you really want this to change...change your actions

This is specifically what bothers me most:  Nowhere do I see a symbol that says "Powered by Bitshares".  You seem to think that saying "it is no secret we are cloning btsx" on a post somewhere buried deep in bitcointalk is an acceptable retort...

It is a mystery to me how you can be so blatantly ignorant to what most people learn in middle school.  Even creative commons material openly references those whose content is featured, giving the due respect to those who selflessly created their content for open source use.  Take a moment and imagine yourself in everyone's shoes.

No...you do not need to go into depth on the kickstarter page about bitshares.  In fact, I would imagine you would do this in a way that buries it further under walls of text that no user will ever use.  From your behavior thus far, it is a fair assumption that this would be your path of choice anyway.  However, you could easily at least quell animosity (which you openly state you want to do) by putting the "Powered by Bitshares" logo legibly on your logo so people can see who did the hard work so you could get your pay day, and do their own research into what BitShares is.

Instead, you somehow seem to find a way to act as though you are ignorant to these obvious details...  

Please man...just FIX it.  You wont get the support or help (in any direct way) from the community...but at least you will help quell the animosity.  

I suggest you to not ignore AGS donators since they are the reason you can now use the bitshares_toolkit for your project...
You say you don't need the help of the bitshares_toolkit devs and that's a reason not to give 10% ...YOU ARE WRONG... it is maybe a reason not to give more than 10% like the majority are doing (peertracks,lottocoin,DNS,VOTE,PLAY etc.)
But 10% is the absolute minimum you should give away for all the work already done!!! Or do you think it is fair to violate the social consensus.Go for it if you want to be the first one (and the last one)
I am sure you will loose more than 10% on future value of your project (if it survives due luck of quality support) because of your bad reputation that will be a result of ignoring a demographic that is responsible
for the technology you will use. How do you expect future investors to trust you? (at least the majority of them) knowing the background story? You can not hide the truth, that's for sure!
I wish you good luck since you will need it 100%
I hope you change your mind and look into your project as a professional and not as a gambler or as a... thieve

You are significantly more likely to succeed if you honor AGS/PTS.

XOM will have a future.

The bitshares community are among the smartest I've come across and honoring the AGS/PTS consensus is probably the smartest thing you could do. Until then I'm going to just watch.