Topic: [ANN][YAC] YACoin ongoing development - page 159. (Read 380090 times)
Anyone willing to create logos that reflect the symbol, please feel free! Sometimes the perfect graphic isn't self evident till it's seen. I'll try myself too when I can.
Suggestion for official Yacoin currency symbol Ɏ or U+024E
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
Code:
Ɏ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Good one, that's another bit of originality for YAC.
I vote for this one.
Suggestion for official Yacoin currency symbol Ɏ or U+024E
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
Code:
Ɏ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Good one, that's another bit of originality for YAC.
I vote for this one.
I think it's very important to see YAC on sites like http://www.coinchoose.com/
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
YAC was on CoinChoose for a bit, but I think sal002 took it off because it skewed the graphs. Perhaps there's another way we could have it added (on a separate "CPU Coin" section...or not have a line for it on the graph, but have it in the grid, etc).
I do agree that it's very important to have it on CoinChoose, but as it is a CPU coin with a low value, the result may not be that impressive anyhow.
Sounds good. I don't think the Igorot people in the Philippines will mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_with_stroke
Suggestion for official Yacoin currency symbol Ɏ or U+024E
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
Symbol: Ɏ
Unicode name: Latin Capital Letter Y with stroke
Code: U+024E
Decimal:
Code:
Ɏ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input
I think it's very important to see YAC on sites like http://www.coinchoose.com/
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
You need a formula for the block reward, Nfactor affects only difficulty.
EDIT: from the source:
Code:
int64 GetProofOfWorkReward(unsigned int nBits)
{
CBigNum bnSubsidyLimit = MAX_MINT_PROOF_OF_WORK;
CBigNum bnTarget;
bnTarget.SetCompact(nBits);
CBigNum bnTargetLimit = bnProofOfWorkLimit;
bnTargetLimit.SetCompact(bnTargetLimit.GetCompact());
// ppcoin: subsidy is cut in half every 64x multiply of difficulty
// A reasonably continuous curve is used to avoid shock to market
// (nSubsidyLimit / nSubsidy) ** 6 == bnProofOfWorkLimit / bnTarget
//
// Human readable form:
//
// nSubsidy = 100 / (diff ^ 1/6)
CBigNum bnLowerBound = CENT;
CBigNum bnUpperBound = bnSubsidyLimit;
while (bnLowerBound + CENT <= bnUpperBound)
{
CBigNum bnMidValue = (bnLowerBound + bnUpperBound) / 2;
if (fDebug && GetBoolArg("-printcreation"))
printf("GetProofOfWorkReward() : lower=%"PRI64d" upper=%"PRI64d" mid=%"PRI64d"\n", bnLowerBound.getuint64(), bnUpperBound.getuint64(), bnMidValue.getuint64());
if (bnMidValue * bnMidValue * bnMidValue * bnMidValue * bnMidValue * bnMidValue * bnTargetLimit > bnSubsidyLimit * bnSubsidyLimit * bnSubsidyLimit * bnSubsidyLimit * bnSubsidyLimit * bnSubsidyLimit * bnTarget)
bnUpperBound = bnMidValue;
else
bnLowerBound = bnMidValue;
}
int64 nSubsidy = bnUpperBound.getuint64();
nSubsidy = (nSubsidy / CENT) * CENT;
if (fDebug && GetBoolArg("-printcreation"))
printf("GetProofOfWorkReward() : create=%s nBits=0x%08x nSubsidy=%"PRI64d"\n", FormatMoney(nSubsidy).c_str(), nBits, nSubsidy);
return min(nSubsidy, MAX_MINT_PROOF_OF_WORK);
}
I think it's very important to see YAC on sites like http://www.coinchoose.com/
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
I found this post with formula for BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.743237
But i have no idea how we can integrate N in this formula.. someone have an idea ?
I've noticed a huge increase in network hashrate. It is now 600x my own hashrate, while it was still 300x two days ago.
The client sometimes reports garbage, take a look at these graphs, they're averaged over 144 blocks (10 blocks for 24h graphs).
Network hashrate actually decreased on the 29th due to the Nfactor change.
http://yacexplorer.tk/graphs.htm
Quote
{
"blocks" : 76185,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 1.48652633,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : true,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 150811,
"networkhashps" : 89660601,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false,
"Nfactor" : 8,
"N" : 512,
"powreward" : 23.40000000
}
"blocks" : 76185,
"currentblocksize" : 1000,
"currentblocktx" : 0,
"difficulty" : 1.48652633,
"errors" : "",
"generate" : true,
"genproclimit" : -1,
"hashespersec" : 150811,
"networkhashps" : 89660601,
"pooledtx" : 0,
"testnet" : false,
"Nfactor" : 8,
"N" : 512,
"powreward" : 23.40000000
}
I've noticed a huge increase in network hashrate. It is now 600x my own hashrate, while it was still 300x two days ago.
Note that scrypt-jane isn't a hashing algorithm, it's a generic scrypt library that supports many different variations of scrypt, including scrypt+salsa20/8 as used by Litecoin. I've noticed quite a few people refer to the scrypt variant used by YAC as "scrypt-jane", but that's actually wrong.
So what's the name for it?
We shall give it a name, scrypt-chacha?
Hmm someone should put a bounty up for proper software or better yet integration into cgminer (which is much more likely than BFGminer due to lukejr's view on alt coins)
I'd be willing to throw a couple coins in to get a bounty up. (by coins I mean both YAC and BTC)
I'd be willing to throw a couple coins in to get a bounty up. (by coins I mean both YAC and BTC)
AMD's next gen APU with HSA will be very interesting, the unified memory addressing can be the boost for the scrypt or even scrypt jane. In next year, we can try Kaveri.
Note that scrypt-jane isn't a hashing algorithm, it's a generic scrypt library that supports many different variations of scrypt, including scrypt+salsa20/8 as used by Litecoin. I've noticed quite a few people refer to the scrypt variant used by YAC as "scrypt-jane", but that's actually wrong.
What is the advantage of Stratum mining?
More work is done on miners end resulting in less bandwidth needed for the pool server.
AMD's next gen APU with HSA will be very interesting, the unified memory addressing can be the boost for the scrypt or even scrypt jane. In next year, we can try Kaveri.
What is the advantage of Stratum mining?
What I think we need next TBH is a proper mining program with stratum support. That way we can capitalize on the hashrate we still have left and get better feedback and less stale shares.
I looked at this very briefly a few days ago and it looks like it could be adapted to YACoin if someone has time to spend a few hours on it https://github.com/CryptoManiac/stratum-mining
The whole point of trying to make a GPU-hard coin is to get a more even initial coin distribution than bitcoin/litecoin did. The number of people with CPUs is way higher than the number with good GPUs. There is no point to making a new alt-coin to change the mining algorithm if it doesn't promote a wider distribution by cutting out the GPU farmers. The algorithm doesn't have to last forever; it only has to last a few years until ASICs are developed. Litecoin lost its whole purpose when it was taken over by GPUs. If we knew a way to assign an equal amount of coins to everyone on the planet in a decentralized way, we would do that, but that technology is decades away. Distributing it to everyone with a CPU is way less fair, but it is still vastly superior to giving it to everyone with a GPU.
I wouldn't be surprised if eventually an implementation for GPUs came along that was optimized and destroyed CPUs for efficiency and speed.
+1
There's no way to [proof] proof anything forever... Unless WM wants to spend the time/effort to constantly try to stay ahead of GPU implementations...
Personally, I don't see a reason why eventual mass GPU YACoin mining would do anything but strengthen YAC as it did for LTC. Besides, there are going to be "lots" of vid cards sitting around looking for something to do once ASIC's completely take over Bitcoin.
No but really litecoin isn't that well off, sure it is better than YAC or most other alt coins but thats pretty much because it was first not because GPU mining has treated it well.
If need be while it would be painful I think that the N factor should be increased if gpu mining became a viable option lest people begin the process of pumping and dumping. If we want YAC to last we need to keep it CPU only. Because even if everyone is going slower it will at least be a network wide slowdown and hit everyone relatively evenly which is partly why the massive speed decreases arent that bad because it is only a speed decrease for the network and not just for you and these decreases help keep YAC slightly safer with each increment. What I think we need next TBH is a proper mining program with stratum support. That way we can capitalize on the hashrate we still have left and get better feedback and less stale shares.
I wouldn't be surprised if eventually an implementation for GPUs came along that was optimized and destroyed CPUs for efficiency and speed.
+1
There's no way to [proof] proof anything forever... Unless WM wants to spend the time/effort to constantly try to stay ahead of GPU implementations...
Personally, I don't see a reason why eventual mass GPU YACoin mining would do anything but strengthen YAC as it did for LTC. Besides, there are going to be "lots" of vid cards sitting around looking for something to do once ASIC's completely take over Bitcoin.
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