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Topic: Anonymous Ads - bitcoin advertising network [migration to v.2] - page 15. (Read 44749 times)

legendary
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Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry

... for now.

For a service that has just started a few days ago, thats very very good.

What are http://anonymousads.com/ profits percent compared to legit users?  I know it's new and I want to support Bitcoin but I don't want to be ripped off.  I'm also looking at https://www.operationfabulous.com/ for Bitcoin advertising but they haven't got back to me yet?
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Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry

... for now.

For a service that has just started a few days ago, thats very very good.
legendary
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I've been using this service on one of my sites and I'm pleased.

I hope this will destroy google ad-sense. Google ad-sense is a terrible business model that has extremely unfriendly service. I have heard stories where adsense on sites was abruptly disabled when the balance was just under $100. Just a few clicks before they had to cut a check. And the appeals process is basically a dead end. I later heard about hundreds of stories like this. Granted, some of them probably violated one or the other TOS but couldn't be all. Ok, $100 is not much to one blogger but if google is does this to 10,000 of bloggers, they just lined their pockets with $1million.

But all the bitching aside, ad-sense is a 90's technology that depends on the following:

* Trust the advertiser
* Trust the site owner
* Trust google
* Trust ad-sense to give fair rewards

If you look at this objectively, none of the above are trustworthy. Site owners may click their own ads (despite google's absurd threats that they can "detect it" with their "sophisticated" systems.) Google as I said may be cutting off small bloggers just before a check needs to be sent. And no one can verify what ad-sense is doing with their CTR and RPM and all other smoke and mirrors (yes, it appears to be sensible, but frankly there is no way to know verify if one ad deserves $0.25 vs $2.50). The advertiser himself cannot be trusted since some of them click their own ads to make it to the top entry of a google ad banner. This needs something new and revolutionary to kill it and anonymous ads could just be it.

A word to the creator. Do not sell out to google. Sell out to microsoft or some one else if you wish, but I wouldnt advise that either. You really want to go down in history as the one who humbled google.


Yeah but AdSense is paying me an average of £0.83 a click this service is paying me less than an average of £0.01 a click.  I'll keep using it for now tho as I think Bitcoin ads are more relevant for my blog with it being about Bitcoin also I'm supporting the Bitcoin community by using it and the Bitcoin ads get more clicks than the AdSense ads.  Although this service pays peanuts  Angry
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I've been using this service on one of my sites and I'm pleased.

I hope this will destroy google ad-sense. Google ad-sense is a terrible business model that has extremely unfriendly service. I have heard stories where adsense on sites was abruptly disabled when the balance was just under $100. Just a few clicks before they had to cut a check. And the appeals process is basically a dead end. I later heard about hundreds of stories like this. Granted, some of them probably violated one or the other TOS but couldn't be all. Ok, $100 is not much to one blogger but if google is does this to 10,000 of bloggers, they just lined their pockets with $1million.

But all the bitching aside, ad-sense is a 90's technology that depends on the following:

* Trust the advertiser
* Trust the site owner
* Trust google
* Trust ad-sense to give fair rewards

If you look at this objectively, none of the above are trustworthy. Site owners may click their own ads (despite google's absurd threats that they can "detect it" with their "sophisticated" systems.) Google as I said may be cutting off small bloggers just before a check needs to be sent. And no one can verify what ad-sense is doing with their CTR and RPM and all other smoke and mirrors (yes, it appears to be sensible, but frankly there is no way to know verify if one ad deserves $0.25 vs $2.50). The advertiser himself cannot be trusted since some of them click their own ads to make it to the top entry of a google ad banner. This needs something new and revolutionary to kill it and anonymous ads could just be it.

A word to the creator. Do not sell out to google. Sell out to microsoft or some one else if you wish, but I wouldnt advise that either. You really want to go down in history as the one who humbled google.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
newbie
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Legit service. Just got a free 0.13 for putting it in my sig on a high traffic forum.
legendary
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I just developed Anonymous Ads service.

Here are some features (derived from Bitcoin Pyramid):

no password or email address needed (neither for affiliates, nor for advertisers)
automatic withdrawals when income hits the threshold of 0.011 btc (with a small fee of 0.001 btc)
all the info is published on the site: daily backups of the whole mysql database are available at http://anonymousads.com/backups
there is almost nothing to hack

Very nice. Will try it. Any data on how many bitcoins are being paid out?
hero member
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I decided to store this data on the client side because browser knows when it's session is over. And that is crucial to ensure that visitors get redirected to sites that correspond to the images they see in their browsers. I don't rely on server here because I am not sure how/when it clears session data after clients gets disconnected.

I think I solved the issue (fixed cookie path). Please let me know if you still can reproduce it. Thank you very much for participation.
PHP too has the ability to manage session expire times (look at session_cache_expire() and session.gc_maxlifetime). Plus, you can set up an hourly find in cron to look for old sessions stored in the tmp directory and clean them up.
Seems to work in FF5 and Opera11 now.
legendary
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I downloaded the most recent Opera and did a standard install on a clean XP without any adjustments. The cookie still gets set only partially.
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Besides, the cookie stores successfully the session id, so you can as well handle the rest of the data server-side in the $_SESSION array after doing the session_start().
No need to store all the other information on the client side.

I decided to store this data on the client side because browser knows when it's session is over. And that is crucial to ensure that visitors get redirected to sites that correspond to the images they see in their browsers. I don't rely on server here because I am not sure how/when it clears session data after clients gets disconnected.

I think I solved the issue (fixed cookie path). Please let me know if you still can reproduce it. Thank you very much for participation.
hero member
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Probably browser refuses cookies due to some security issues. I can't control browser's behavior, some users may have cookies disabled at all. I've implemented the work-around: if redirection link is not found, then user will be redirected to the list of ads for that affiliate (the wanted ad should be there).
I downloaded the most recent Opera and did a standard install on a clean XP without any adjustments. The cookie still gets set only partially.
Did you test it too? If that's something that happens with all Opera and older Firefox installs, it really needs to be fixed.
Besides, the cookie stores successfully the session id, so you can as well handle the rest of the data server-side in the $_SESSION array after doing the session_start().
No need to store all the other information on the client side.
legendary
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There were many fraudulent clicks, so I allowed myself to clean the stats a bit. I made some fixes in code and hope that there will be not that much fraudulent clicks in future.
legendary
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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.

Probably browser refuses cookies due to some security issues. I can't control browser's behavior, some users may have cookies disabled at all. I've implemented the work-around: if redirection link is not found, then user will be redirected to the list of ads for that affiliate (the wanted ad should be there).
legendary
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That big thing at the moment are smart phones. The person who marriages advertising, smart phones and Bitcoin will be king of the mountain for years to come.

Yes, there is something here to think about )
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Although I mentioned affiliate marketing gurus, I should have included adsense gurus. I'm glad to see the conversation continuing on the monetary aspect of this endeavor.

Bear in mind that these gurus are capable of creating a program around Bitcoin if they see that it's worth there wild. Once a couple gurus get on board, it's not uncommon for the others to follow suit. Playing follow the leader is fine with them. They're also always looking for the next big thing. That big thing at the moment are smart phones. The person who marriages advertising, smart phones and Bitcoin will be king of the mountain for years to come.

~Bruno~
legendary
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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.

It works for me. Does anybody else experience the same problem? Please PM me cookies of anonymousads.com, I'll try to understand what is happening.
hero member
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Interesting.
hero member
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By the way, what's with the "Sorry, couldn't find the redirection link." message?
I get that every time I click the link in your sig.
legendary
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Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.

It should be possible in the long run. Though I can't promise it will ever happen: all depends on advertisers and affiliates. Anonymous Ads just shows ads that are de-facto more profitable for each particular affiliate.

So if advertiser pays to affiliates that attracted buyers, it is likely that those particular affiliates will show his/her ads more often and thus will earn more. Competition between advertisers should keep the rate reasonable.

It is beneficial for advertisers too because they pay only for achieved results and get more impressions from affiliates that work best for them. It should be cheaper than paying for traffic (because inefficient and fraudulent traffic is not included in price).
hero member
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User 51 has 1560 unique impressions and 1223 unique clicks. I don't want to say anything about user 51 since I don't know who he/she is and how did he achieve this ratio. But it looks suspicious and he/she could receive ban instead of money from Adsense.

Guaranteed payments for clicks or impressions give strong incentive for fraudent clicks and impressions. If I knew the minimal cost of fraudent click or impression, maybe I could set up a guaranteed payments below that cost.

Yeah that's what I was thinking about fraud too.  Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.

Adsense bans quickly, but they also pay nicely for good traffic. It just needs a few clicks of your own to get their attention, so user 51 would already be gone from Adsense. It's really not worth the effort to fake because the payment for "real" clicks is quite high and if you have a decent website, those clicks happen naturally. You could always ban that user and see who complains, and what explanation he/she gives Smiley
legendary
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I'm keeping a bit of an eye on this since the idea behind it is interesting and it's easy to implement. But as a webmaster there is no way to even roughly estimate your earnings.

The spread seems to get even bigger: user 51 has 1223 click, which earned him 0.00004360btc, while user 43 received 0.00092286btc for only 3 clicks. That's an about 21 times bigger payment for only approximately 0.25% of the clicks.

While I'm in no position to tell you how to run your project, I can say that webmasters want to be able to do some rough guessing. I know it's unfair to compare it to Adsense, but there I can do some estimations. Here I see differences of up to a factor of 8545, which, if applied to Adsense, would mean earning either $0.01 or $85.45 per click.

From my position as a webmaster it would help to have at least a guaranteed minimum earning, even if it's just 0.001btc per click.


Thanks for your feedback.

User 51 has 1560 unique impressions and 1223 unique clicks. I don't want to say anything about user 51 since I don't know who he/she is and how did he achieve this ratio. But it looks suspicious and he/she could receive ban instead of money from Adsense.

Guaranteed payments for clicks or impressions give strong incentive for fraudent clicks and impressions. If I knew the minimal cost of fraudent click or impression, maybe I could set up a guaranteed payments below that cost.

Yeah that's what I was thinking about fraud too.  Also AdSense pays me over £0.50 a click.  I can't see this scheme paying as much per click but I think its ads are more relevant being BitCoin related.
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