Another merit metric that could be considered in ranking.

AicecreaME

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Quote from: Jet Cash on January 25, 2020, 12:31:32 PM

I think you guys are reading more into my suggestion than I intended. I wasn't suggesting that you had to receive merits on all boards to rank up, but more that rank improvement should be harder if all of your merits were earned on a single board. The requirement to receive merits from a variety of awarders was intended to try to avoid upranking members of spamming groups, and not to create a "classist" forum.

I agree to this. What's @Jetcash trying to imply here is that we need to be more considerate, or I would use the term "flexible" when it comes in giving merits. For example, person A is a person who is a genius, whose grades are always top notch, and then there is person B, whose grades are just average. Person A would not see person's B opinion or suggestion interesting most of the time, because their level of understanding have a very huge gap, so what's happening right now in the forum is pretty much discrimination, instead of helping those in needs, they are ignoring them.

Please don't get me wrong here, I am not saying that we should give merits freely, of course we need to choose on who are deserves it, my point is, if a post does not help you, that doesn't mean that it is not helpful to the other members of this forum, to make this short, exploring all the thread (if possible) will gives you the idea that even in the "spam threads", there are still a lot of good quality posters that are helping others but being ignored because they post on a thread where you treat it as a "spam threads"

philipma1957

legendary

Activity: 4116

Merit: 7849

'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 27, 2020, 02:34:29 PM

Why do people always have to assume extremes. If all you ever read are books on Rat Rods, then you are going to miss out on a lot of life. Conversely, you can have a rewarding and fulfilling life, even if you have never heard of a Rat Rod.

My point is that you should find the best threads in four or five of the boards here, and not spend all of your time in one corner.

I think instead of down grading merits to encourage people to post in multiple boards.

If the idea was to use a multiple for many board merit earner people would accept it as a good idea.

Ie. merits earn rank exactly like they do now so a one board merit earner gets a multiple of 1 for his merits.

since merits would rank up exactly like they do that one board guy would not be punished.

A 2 board merit earner gets 5 free merits.
A 3 board merit earner gets 10 free merits.
A 4 board merit earner gets 15 free merits.
A 5 board merit earner gets 25 free merits.

so on and so forth.

Thus no punishment for the specialist one or two board merit earner.

And a reward for guys like me that have merits in a lot of boards.

Since

1000 merits still make a legend
500 merits still make a hero
250 merits still make a senior member

this variation of your idea 💡 is simply all win win. no stick just carrot 🥕.

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 2444

https://JetCash.com

Why do people always have to assume extremes. If all you ever read are books on Rat Rods, then you are going to miss out on a lot of life. Conversely, you can have a rewarding and fulfilling life, even if you have never heard of a Rat Rod.

My point is that you should find the best threads in four or five of the boards here, and not spend all of your time in one corner.

LoyceV

legendary

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Merit: 16489

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on January 27, 2020, 04:25:43 AM

So everyone who had acquired more than 500 merits in a single section can be displayed as custom title or something like this.

So I'll be:

Meta Master
Reputation Master

The former will piss off ch, the latter fits my Switzerland-image. But please don't Tongue

This list will eventually get very long for many users.

hd49728

legendary

Activity: 2044

Merit: 1018

Not your keys, not your coins!

It reminds us to rethink of how users became merit sources.

- Automatically allocated by the admin since 24 Jan 2018.
- Merit sources who applied for all boards, and they did not emphasize which boards they will focus to distributed sourced-merits.
- Merit sources who applied for limited boards, who will try to keep promises and distribute their sourced-merits on boards they promised to focus on when applied.

Merit-deserving posts are always deserving ones (they are good posts), whatsoever boards they posted on. It is only difference between merit-sources and how they do their works.

It is unrealistic to require all sources to decentralize their sourced-merits over all boards on the forum.

TheBeardedBaby

legendary

Activity: 2198

Merit: 3146

₿uy / $ell

I think this metric could be used in a different way.

Let's say you got 500 merit from the Bitcoin Technical Support section. Then add a custom title, Bitcoin Tech& Support master.

So everyone who had acquired more than 500 merits in a single section can be displayed as custom title or something like this.

Rikafip

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 5937

Quote from: libert19 on January 27, 2020, 01:48:20 AM

there are users who became hero members just by posting in their local board, you'd rarely see them in other boards

Nothing wrong with that. If someone feels better and more confident writing only in his native language, and even rank up, so be it.

Generally, forcing people to write on boards they know little about, or have no interest in is a bad idea, as it can only ruin it for those seriously interested in the topics. This problem is very obvious in gambling board, where bunch of members write about stuff they know nothing about, just to meet post quota for their signature campaign. Making post that makes sense in topic you know little about is already hard, imagine if you have to get some merit for that..

libert19

hero member

Activity: 2520

Merit: 952

there are users who became hero members just by posting in their local board, you'd rarely see them in other boards (unless participating in bounty). I somewhat agree.

hosseinimr93

legendary

Activity: 2380

Merit: 5213

Quote from: Gyfts on January 26, 2020, 06:55:38 AM

If you are a newbie starting off and actually contribute to the forum, your chance of making it to legendary are pretty slim despite contributions of constructive posts because people don't tend to merit newer members, including myself.

I agree that it's more difficult for a newbie to earn merit. But it's completely normal. The newbie should prove himself first. For example a newbie register and posts some statistic at his first post should't get merit.

If a same post is made by a newbie and a user with more than 2000 merit, most of the times, the newbie has lower chance to earn merit. It's not just because the merit sender thinks that the poster might be a scammer. A post made by a user with +2000 merit is read much more than the post made by a newbie. Some users (including me) might skip a post made by a newbie when they don't have much time to real all posts. But this problem can be solved very soon if the user proves himself.

In my opinion, there is no need to make it more difficult or more easy to rank up. The current system is good enough. Even if there is any problem (I don't think there is a big problem), that's with how smerits are spent not with the system.
I have seen many newbies (especially in beginners & help and Bitcoin Technical Support boards) earn merit only for asking a question. Maybe that's not enough and we need more merit sources focus on low ranked members. Maybe Instead of threads asking how to earn merit we need some threads discussing how to spend smerits.
Generally, I think most of merit sources are doing their work well and all newbies have big chance to become a legendary.

Kalemder

legendary

Activity: 1848

Merit: 1727

Be A Hope

Quote from: LoyceV on January 25, 2020, 11:33:30 AM

Bad idea. It will end up with people posting on boards they don't like because they need 4 "Beginners board Merits" for the next rank, while they have enough "Altcoin board Merits" already.
Let's not do that. All Merits are equal!

I agree with your opinion. A Turkish proverb says: Each lion roars in its own dumpster. or "The power of the lion becomes evident from where it sleeps."
I mean; Each user is strong in their own section.

Merits should be equal, just as every idea is equal...

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 2444

https://JetCash.com

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 26, 2020, 12:58:33 PM

I don't actively trade so trading becomes hard to read and merit.

I've developed my own trading system. It is a combination of HODLing and scalping based on wicks. If I could think of a catchy name for it, then I might start a thread for discussion. I can't use "jet" in the name, as it isn't a get rich quick system, but it is a slow way to build your Bitcoin pile without any risk ( in my opinion ).

philipma1957

legendary

Activity: 4116

Merit: 7849

'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 26, 2020, 07:26:36 AM

Quote from: Gyfts on January 26, 2020, 06:55:38 AM

Having an activity requirement on top of a merit requirement to rank up is tough and forces people to only post content that's popular enough to earn merit on certain boards.

This is why I made the suggestion. In fact the fault lies with the merit awarders, who are creating this popularity, and obscuring some of the threads that support the original purpose of Bitcoin Talk. Some merit sources state that they don't have enough merits to reward all of the posts they would like to, and other sources state that they can't find posts to reward.

Bitcoin, crypto and world economies are going through some very radical changes, and it would be great if this was a forum to discuss these. Unfortunately, the significant topics don't attract contributions from the movers and shakers, and all we seem to be able to do is to post links to their YouTube videos, and topics in other media reports.

Most of the replies seem to be focused on increasing the difficulty in ranking, but my main point is the need to move away from the obsession with the structure of BT, and to encourage and reward discussion about the world outside BT.

I would merit this but you don't need any points. I do not look at every section.

It is time consuming. I speak only english so if I merit it will be for a post in english.

I used to try to read and merit in bitcoin discussion very hard to merit there as many threads are created to make signature payments.
I don't actively trade so trading becomes hard to read and merit.
I have some time today to poke around some other spots to try and give away points.

LoyceV

legendary

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Merit: 16489

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 26, 2020, 06:55:38 AM

sending merit to someone is an endorsement of their content so sending merit to a newbie is banking on the fact that the person isn't a scammer or shitposter. Not many notable members are going to take that risk nor should they.

Merit isn't necessarily an endorsement. For Newbies, it's enough for me if the post shows a real interest. I usually check for plagiarism, and if looks legit, I Merit them. I think I'm doing a good job selecting Newbies who aren't spammers. In the last 180 days, I've only sent 3 Merit to users who are now banned (Lol: theymos leads that list with 145 Merit).

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 2444

https://JetCash.com

I agree that good active contributors should be rewarded, and I try to do this whenever I can. Several other sources do this as well, and this is why you may see a block of merits being awarded to a post which may not warrant the award. It is to encourage the poster. I think TMAN was called to task for doing this when he bulked an award for a dozen posts into a single post. The problem is that it is quite time consuming to keep checking post history, and I've now got someone helping me by suggesting members that I should check for regular quality contributions.

Gyfts

legendary

Activity: 2772

Merit: 1514

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 26, 2020, 07:26:36 AM

This is why I made the suggestion. In fact the fault lies with the merit awarders, who are creating this popularity, and obscuring some of the threads that support the original purpose of Bitcoin Talk. Some merit sources state that they don't have enough merits to reward all of the posts they would like to, and other sources state that they can't find posts to reward.

I don't know who the merit sources are but notable users that have tons of merit usually have long logs of merit they've sent in the last 120 days. Problem is that merit is being assigned to exceptional users/posting quality and not to those who post "good enough" which creates a disparity. I don't think you should be stuck at full member or Sr. member for 4 years because you aren't exceptional. Now, to be clear, I don't think you should earn merit for posting just "good enough" but rather merit should be given for exceptional posting. This is why I believe there needs to be some other aspect or metric involved in ranking up apart from earning merit to users who aren't necessarily exceptional. Another issue that arises is that we can't control what boards merit sources or merit givers browse, nor should we. This again will create disparities in where merit is assigned. Someone posting in Bitcoin discussion might not get the same exposure versus someone posting in Meta. This seemed to be a problem in local boards as well but has gotten better with more merit sources. Nonetheless, the issue still exists.

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 26, 2020, 07:26:36 AM

Most of the replies seem to be focused on increasing the difficulty in ranking, but my main point is the need to move away from the obsession with the structure of BT, and to encourage and reward discussion about the world outside BT.

Fair enough. I'm with you here.

Quote from: hilariousetc on January 26, 2020, 07:17:46 AM

Agreed. It is difficult, especially for average or even good posters. You probably basically have to be an exceptional poster to rank up to a higher rank within a reasonable time-frame. I still think we should implement more donor ranks like Silver/Gold Member with the added benefits of becoming a higher rank all but in name (you wouldn't literally become a Senior or Hero but get the benefits of becoming one ie a bigger signature and avatar etc). I think this would stop a lot of people needlessly fishing for merits and I'm sure a lot of people would prefer to cough up a bit of money to 'skip the queue' as it were. Give the money to charity if the forum doesn't need it and then it's win win.

Definitely agree with adding more donor ranks as long as there is a timely pathway for members to earn the same benefits free. More revenue for the forum while members who want to contribute get to reap the benefits.

Jet Cash

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Merit: 2444

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Quote from: Gyfts on January 26, 2020, 06:55:38 AM

Having an activity requirement on top of a merit requirement to rank up is tough and forces people to only post content that's popular enough to earn merit on certain boards.

This is why I made the suggestion. In fact the fault lies with the merit awarders, who are creating this popularity, and obscuring some of the threads that support the original purpose of Bitcoin Talk. Some merit sources state that they don't have enough merits to reward all of the posts they would like to, and other sources state that they can't find posts to reward.

Bitcoin, crypto and world economies are going through some very radical changes, and it would be great if this was a forum to discuss these. Unfortunately, the significant topics don't attract contributions from the movers and shakers, and all we seem to be able to do is to post links to their YouTube videos, and topics in other media reports.

Most of the replies seem to be focused on increasing the difficulty in ranking, but my main point is the need to move away from the obsession with the structure of BT, and to encourage and reward discussion about the world outside BT.

hilariousetc

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At first I thought this was going to be a thread about having another rank for high merit receivers. I do like the idea of a new rank for the top-earners, especially when becoming legendary is far too common these days.

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 25, 2020, 12:31:32 PM

I think you guys are reading more into my suggestion than I intended. I wasn't suggesting that you had to receive merits on all boards to rank up, but more that rank improvement should be harder if all of your merits were earned on a single board. The requirement to receive merits from a variety of awarders was intended to try to avoid upranking members of spamming groups, and not to create a "classist" forum

I think ranking up is already difficult enough and there's no need to over-complicate it further, but you could do something with this on the proposed reward badges ie once a person has got x amount of merit from a certain board they get a little badge related to that section. You could also do something with the reports once a user has reported x amount in that sub. Not sure how difficult it would be to implement but it would be nice to see rewards and badges for certain things, especially reporting which doesn't really come with any benefits currently and is a thankless task.

Quote from: Gyfts on January 26, 2020, 06:55:38 AM

I don't understand the obsession of making it harder to rank up on the forum. There's been so many suggestions of ideas that unnecessarily complicate the merit system and make it more difficult to rank up as if it isn't already difficult. If you are a newbie starting off and actually contribute to the forum, your chance of making it to legendary are pretty slim despite contributions of constructive posts because people don't tend to merit newer members, including myself. I've mentioned this in a previous post, but sending merit to someone is an endorsement of their content so sending merit to a newbie is banking on the fact that the person isn't a scammer or shitposter. Not many notable members are going to take that risk nor should they.

Agreed. It is difficult, especially for average or even good posters. You probably basically have to be an exceptional poster to rank up to a higher rank within a reasonable time-frame. I still think we should implement more donor ranks like Silver/Gold Member with the added benefits of becoming a higher rank all but in name (you wouldn't literally become a Senior or Hero but get the benefits of becoming one ie a bigger signature and avatar etc). I think this would stop a lot of people needlessly fishing for merits and I'm sure a lot of people would prefer to cough up a bit of money to 'skip the queue' as it were. Give the money to charity if the forum doesn't need it and then it's win win.

Gyfts

legendary

Activity: 2772

Merit: 1514

I don't understand the obsession of making it harder to rank up on the forum. There's been so many suggestions of ideas that unnecessarily complicate the merit system and make it more difficult to rank up as if it isn't already difficult. If you are a newbie starting off and actually contribute to the forum, your chance of making it to legendary are pretty slim despite contributions of constructive posts because people don't tend to merit newer members, including myself. I've mentioned this in a previous post, but sending merit to someone is an endorsement of their content so sending merit to a newbie is banking on the fact that the person isn't a scammer or shitposter. Not many notable members are going to take that risk nor should they.

There needs to be a combination of a ranking system involving merit and activity but also a system where they can act independently to rank up. Having an activity requirement on top of a merit requirement to rank up is tough and forces people to only post content that's popular enough to earn merit on certain boards. I get that if you don't want aged accounts being able to rank up by spamming you would need to have some merit requirement. In that case, I don't think it'd be a bad idea to lower the merits needed. If you're an already established member that posts quality content, you're going to earn plenty of merit because you're a popular user. Anyone below that is going to get the short end of the stick.

taserz

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Quote from: philipma1957 on January 25, 2020, 02:19:44 PM

But He deletes a lot I get at least 1 or 2 deletes a week on the mining section. ( I post 50 posts a week in that section. I am guessing it is 50 a week.)

Okay, that is an understatement I get like 2-5 deletes a week hahaha. I just realized though... It's because I reply instead of edit a previous comment to add more information. I probably should have realized that months ago.

Quote from: philipma1957 on January 25, 2020, 12:25:58 PM

Quote from: stompix on January 25, 2020, 11:05:44 AM

Quote from: Jet Cash on January 25, 2020, 10:51:22 AM

I agree with you to a certain extent, but after Junior level, then members should be capable of contributing to a variety of boards. It gets more difficult when members are solely miners, technicians, or speculators. The mix of members awarding the merits is probably more important.

Sorry but this would be a very bad idea.

Look at the real-life situations, not everybody is a doctor, an electrician, a pilot, and a farmer.
Why should somebody who is only interested in mining and does one hell of a job there giving real advice be forced to talk about speculation and gambling or being restricted to stay a member of a full member because he hates politics?

Members who come and pick up merit or two from different boards when they finally nail one answer out of a myriad will be able to become "legendaries" while real contributors who have done a million times more for the forum would be left at the bottom.
Of course, for most of them, ranks don't really matter but I still see it as some kind of injustice.

My point exactly. I am lucky in that I am somewhat of a generalist I do a lot of things at B+ level. There is a place for me here because of this.

But there are people that are really good at one thing. I have a friend he is a banker and he is really good at banking/trading bonds/loans.

He is A+ maybe A+++ if he posted here he would be a star in the trading section of the forum but that is all he is really really good at.

So why should he be punished for being really good at one section?

The idea is to blend him A++ and a programer A++ with a guy like me a generalist.

I would prefer that approach on the forum.

If you look at me mosts of my merits are in mining.

It is not that I am best at that I am a B+ and I post a lot in that section so I earn a lot of merits in that section.

I do get the idea that being able to do posts with merit in six sections well would be nice.

But not at the price of punishing a guy that is brilliant in
coding firmware for miners.

This user has solid firmware mods for mining

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=34816

He is a specialist he deserves those merits and he has helped mining btc for many people.

this is the only post with a merit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53151788

that is not in mining in the last 120 days.

But his firmware work is outstanding.

January 14, 2020, 04:04:07 AM: 3 from favebook for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
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January 13, 2020, 01:24:20 PM: 2 from HagssFIN for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 10:25:57 AM: 2 from philipma1957 for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 06:31:30 AM: 5 from frodocooper for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
December 29, 2019, 09:14:31 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: "MP TEST FIRMWARE!" on S17 / T17 series control board?
December 23, 2019, 09:14:21 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: New s9k firmware
December 11, 2019, 11:21:58 AM: 1 from philipma1957 for Re: Duty, Tariff, VAT Rates
December 10, 2019, 10:24:51 PM: 2 from TheYankeesWin! for Firmware for S17 - 85th/s and T17 - 65th/s T17 44t@45w/t • AUTO-TUNE • Asic.to
December 10, 2019, 10:15:54 PM: 5 from frodocooper for Firmware for S17 - 85th/s and T17 - 65th/s T17 44t@45w/t • AUTO-TUNE • Asic.to
December 05, 2019, 11:56:55 AM: 3 from philipma1957 for Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
November 29, 2019, 10:57:47 PM: 4 from frodocooper for Re: SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool • For Antminer S17/T17 and S15
November 29, 2019, 10:52:29 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: New Antminer S15 T15 overclock firmware
November 29, 2019, 12:42:47 AM: 2 from philipma1957 for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 28, 2019, 07:08:31 AM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
November 28, 2019, 06:49:31 AM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Unlock Tool • For Antminer S17 and T17
November 27, 2019, 07:44:03 PM: 1 from BitMaxz for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 27, 2019, 12:52:33 PM: 2 from philipma1957 for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 26, 2019, 07:26:15 AM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Well the 2018 btc diff jumps are over so what will 2019 bring us?
November 24, 2019, 09:18:27 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: What to do with all the old s-9s.
November 24, 2019, 08:56:09 PM: 5 from frodocooper for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!

November 22, 2019, 04:05:17 PM: 1 from LoyceV for Re: The Bitcoin Forum is 10 years old!

November 17, 2019, 09:23:09 PM: 2 from philipma1957 for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 17, 2019, 09:01:37 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 17, 2019, 09:01:14 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 11, 2019, 09:13:59 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~

So he is a specialist and good for the forum.

Awww Phil and LoyceV..... I was making a post today in mining software like usual lol.... I was like WOAH I got more merit points what did I do. Did a drop a funny meme that blew up... Hmm I don't remember. I then found this thread...

So first off thanks both of you of acknowledging I am good and passionate about a specific topic. Like Philipma1957 said I for example would be A++ in some section but I recall a year ago maybe more asking about trying to convert to native segwit wallet and had to get help from a bunch of people because of the massive amount of fees... You would think a user who has been here since 2011 would be on top of these things. But then again I am hodl gang and I don't really check out section outside of mining. If I do go outside my section I rarely post because I am generally not to sure of myself and don't want to give misinformation. I think 95% of my posts are in Mining and Mining software. Pretty much everyone knows me in those two sections.

Anyways Phil your and A++++++++ in my book haha

nelson4lov

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I don't think that's necessary. An extra merit metric would put more constraints to the system as more conditions have to be passed. ie: who gave who and where it was given. For now, The merit system and activity metrics are enough until proven otherwise.

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