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legendary
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I think you guys are reading more into my suggestion than I intended. I wasn't suggesting that you had to receive merits on all boards to rank up, but more that rank improvement should be harder if all of your merits were earned on a single board. The requirement to receive merits from a variety of awarders was intended to try to avoid upranking members of spamming groups, and not to create a "classist" forum.

Also, I think there should be a bit more diversity on some boards, and a bit less on others. Bitcoin discussions is one that could benefit from a bit more interest in Bitcoin as a project, and not as a free money faucet. Mining is one that could do with some attention as well. It seems to be elitist, and not newbie ( to mining ) friendly. I've made a few attempts to learn about mining as an educational exercise, and not for income, and the threads were deleted. I appreciate that discussions on setting up 1,000 ASICs on a solar farm is interesting, but it is a bit out of my income and ability ranges at the moment. Also, the mining board should come out of its cellar, and help us to understand the changes that are happening at the moment - the BCH tax on mining rewards for example, and the proposal for mining pools to allow members to select the use of blocks that they find. With China controlling over 50% of the hash rate, this change could be significant to preserve decentralisation.

Yeah I agree with  your take on mining section.  I like frodocooper and he is a very hard working mod.

But He deletes a lot  I get at least 1 or 2 deletes a week on the mining section. ( I post 50 posts a week in that section. I am guessing it is 50 a week.)

Once in a while I will pm him and argue my point.

But yeah it is  a very tightly modded section.

I think under  50 different people post there in a week.

Not  that there should be 1000 different people but more then 50.

I lot of regulars can be discouraging in that section.

I used to post a lot in altcoin mining  section
but it is kind of dead now.


nine threads from 2016 to 2020  just over 600,000 views in total

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/number-9-ninth-altcoin-thread-back-to-the-moon-baby-5144362 thread 9    14,000 plus
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/8th-alt-coin-thread-or-what-to-do-now-that-asics-are-all-over-the-place-3843565 thread 8    81,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/happy-new-years-seventh-alt-coin-thread-2674194 thread 7    33,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sixth-alt-coin-thread-i-forgot-to-mod-last-thread-2138550 thread 6    79,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fifth-alt-coin-thread-last-four-got-too-big-2019146 thread 5    46,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fourth-alt-coin-thread-last-three-got-oversized-1877588 thread 4   108,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/third-alt-coin-thread-last-two-were-too-big-builds-links-thoughts-etc-1799555 thread 3     41,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-second-zec-xmr-eth-thread-builds-info-links-thoughts-and-photos-1584973 thread 2   147,000
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-1-gpu-now-11gpus-5rigs-for-ethereum-45-days-of-mining-photos-thoughts-1429151 thread 1    50,000


So if a guy does just this above  and earns a lot of merits  helping a lot of people get into mining  and he only does this just this we  need to help him not say  you are not diverse.

Those threads are pretty cool a lot of info and history in them.
member
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Somehow instead of trying to get what I mean, you always try to get something against my posts lately.
I must have been done something wrong against you?  Wink

Joke aside, my point was that those could be examples because they are not necessarily Bitcoin related.
Also my point was that there can be also in those subforums posts which deserve merits (hence the wording about intelligent and useful posts!!!)
I also said that overall the idea (of not meriting all subforums) is not so good ("questionable")

Clearer now?
Sorry if that's what it looks like. Might be my wrong understanding of this part out of your reply: "since also there can happen to exist intelligent and useful posts" - "can happen to" sounded to me like these kind of posts are rare but possible. But now that I think twice, that might actually be true.. I just got my mind trained to avoid the useless replies coming from members just re-writing an earlier reply to rise their post count, so I'm trained to only see posts with an actual value. Didn't mean to offend you or anything. That's just the way I read it.. and I like debates a lot! Cheesy

I did get your point from the start, hence the second paragraph of my reply to you: "and Offtopic, of course, has topics unrelated to BTC". I just think it'd be unfair to eliminate the possibility of sharing some merit with an user you believe has a good point just because it's an Off-topic reply/thread.
legendary
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Why do you assume off-topic posts are non-intelligent and useless? Knowing that most sig campaign threads I've seen do not count Offtopic and P&S posts, spammers & merit farmers will probably stay farther from Offtopic than from the Mining section for example.

Merit shouldn't be disabled for Offtopic and P&S imo. Although it's "BitcoinTalk" and Offtopic, of course, has topics unrelated to BTC, if an user wants to support a member's idea they should be able to give them a merit as a "thank you for writing this post".

Somehow instead of trying to get what I mean, you always try to get something against my posts lately.
I must have been done something wrong against you?  Wink

Joke aside, my point was that those could be examples because they are not necessarily Bitcoin related.
Also my point was that there can be also in those subforums posts which deserve merits (hence the wording about intelligent and useful posts!!!)
I also said that overall the idea (of not meriting all subforums) is not so good ("questionable")

Clearer now?

Edit: Probably my wording could have been better indeed. I'm happy we are on same page now.
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This could work only partly, in a way like the subforums where's no signature shown: some certain areas (Off-Topic, P&S, name it) which are for chit chat and not really Bitcoin related could be a target for "no merit areas".
But even that would be somewhat questionable, since also there can happen to exist intelligent and useful posts.
Why do you assume off-topic posts are non-intelligent and useless? Knowing that most sig campaign threads I've seen do not count Offtopic and P&S posts, spammers & merit farmers will probably stay farther from Offtopic than from the Mining section for example.

Merit shouldn't be disabled for Offtopic and P&S imo. Although it's "BitcoinTalk" and Offtopic, of course, has topics unrelated to BTC, if an user wants to support a member's idea they should be able to give them a merit as a "thank you for writing this post".


I think you guys are reading more into my suggestion than I intended. I wasn't suggesting that you had to receive merits on all boards to rank up, but more that rank improvement should be harder if all of your merits were earned on a single board. The requirement to receive merits from a variety of awarders was intended to try to avoid upranking members of spamming groups, and not to create a "classist" forum.
And still, how would that be fair? I understand what you mean by diversity, but I can give myself as an example: I don't care about my post count and yet, although I check the Mining board on an almost hourly basis, I have no God damn topic to reply to. Even if I wanted to, I don't have any reply for a topic because my mining knowledge is very, very limited.

Spammers will always find a way. If you think diversity is the solution, well.. spammers will post on every board possible and so let's say welcome to a forum full of megathreads.

But before talking about diversity, we have to talk about a different issue: people giving merits to spammy users are to blame for it. A newbie would uselessly spam, whether it's on a single board or on the entire forum, if nobody would give them a reward for it. That's why I try my best to check out an user's profile and post quality before giving a merit. Give it to a sh*tposter and they'll just continue sh*tposting.

In the end, if an user has to post everywhere on the forum to get merit and rank up, every user spamming Bitcoin Discussion and Gambling megathreads will start doing it on the entire forum. Sh*tposting spreading like a damn flu through all the boards, trying to hunt for merit.

Edited this post a few minutes later to fix repetitive & missing words.
legendary
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I disagree with op. Bitcointalk has room for both kinds of posters earning merits.
As much as I respect Jet Cash, I have to also disagree.  I don't think it should matter one whit where a member earns his merits, and if that information were taken into account in the ranking up process, it would make it much more difficult than it needs to be--and it's already incredibly hard for members to get to Full Member if they registered after the merit system was implemented.

Bitcoin discussions is one that could benefit from a bit more interest in Bitcoin as a project, and not as a free money faucet.
Not everyone got into bitcoin for the same reason, so I think what you said might be an unreasonable expectation.  The more people who are enthusiastic about bitcoin, the better, and it doesn't much matter to me where their enthusiasm comes from.
legendary
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I think you guys are reading more into my suggestion than I intended. I wasn't suggesting that you had to receive merits on all boards to rank up, but more that rank improvement should be harder if all of your merits were earned on a single board. The requirement to receive merits from a variety of awarders was intended to try to avoid upranking members of spamming groups, and not to create a "classist" forum.

Also, I think there should be a bit more diversity on some boards, and a bit less on others. Bitcoin discussions is one that could benefit from a bit more interest in Bitcoin as a project, and not as a free money faucet. Mining is one that could do with some attention as well. It seems to be elitist, and not newbie ( to mining ) friendly. I've made a few attempts to learn about mining as an educational exercise, and not for income, and the threads were deleted. I appreciate that discussions on setting up 1,000 ASICs on a solar farm is interesting, but it is a bit out of my income and ability ranges at the moment. Also, the mining board should come out of its cellar, and help us to understand the changes that are happening at the moment - the BCH tax on mining rewards for example, and the proposal for mining pools to allow members to select the use of blocks that they find. With China controlling over 50% of the hash rate, this change could be significant to preserve decentralisation.
legendary
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Merit: 8551
'The right to privacy matters'
I agree with you to a certain extent, but after Junior level, then members should be capable of contributing to a variety of boards. It gets more difficult when members are solely miners, technicians, or speculators. The mix of members awarding the merits is probably more important.

Sorry but this would be a very bad idea.

Look at the real-life situations, not everybody is a doctor, an electrician, a pilot, and a farmer.
Why should somebody who is only interested in mining and does one hell of a job there giving real advice be forced to talk about speculation and gambling or being restricted to stay a member of a full member because he hates politics?

Members who come and pick up merit or two from different boards when they finally nail one answer out of a myriad will be able to become "legendaries" while real contributors who have done a million times more for the forum would be left at the bottom.
Of course, for most of them, ranks don't really matter but I still see it as some kind of injustice.



My point exactly.  I am lucky in that I am somewhat of a generalist I do a lot of things at B+ level.  There is a place for me here because of this.

But there are people that are really good at one thing.  I have a friend he is a banker  and he is really good at banking/trading bonds/loans.

He is A+  maybe A+++  if he posted here he would be a star in the trading section of the forum but that  is all he is really really good at.

So why should he be punished for being really good at one section?

The idea is to blend him  A++   and a programer A++  with a guy like me  a generalist. 

I would prefer  that approach on the forum.

   If you look at me  mosts of my merits are in mining.

 It is not that I am best at that I am a B+  and I post a lot in that section so I earn a lot of merits in that section.


I do get the idea  that being able to do   posts with merit in six sections well would be nice. 


But  not at the price of punishing a guy that is brilliant in
coding firmware for miners.


This user has solid firmware mods for mining

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=34816

He is a specialist  he deserves  those merits  and he has helped mining btc  for many people.

this is the only post with a merit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53151788

that is not in mining in the last 120 days.


But his firmware work is outstanding.


January 14, 2020, 04:04:07 AM: 3 from favebook for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 07:29:55 PM: 2 from Biodom for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 01:24:20 PM: 2 from HagssFIN for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 10:25:57 AM: 2 from philipma1957 for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
January 13, 2020, 06:31:30 AM: 5 from frodocooper for Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17
December 29, 2019, 09:14:31 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: "MP TEST FIRMWARE!" on S17 / T17 series control board?
December 23, 2019, 09:14:21 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: New s9k firmware
December 11, 2019, 11:21:58 AM: 1 from philipma1957 for Re: Duty, Tariff, VAT Rates
December 10, 2019, 10:24:51 PM: 2 from TheYankeesWin! for Firmware for S17 - 85th/s and T17 - 65th/s T17 44t@45w/t • AUTO-TUNE • Asic.to
December 10, 2019, 10:15:54 PM: 5 from frodocooper for Firmware for S17 - 85th/s and T17 - 65th/s T17 44t@45w/t • AUTO-TUNE • Asic.to
December 05, 2019, 11:56:55 AM: 3 from philipma1957 for Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
November 29, 2019, 10:57:47 PM: 4 from frodocooper for Re: SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool • For Antminer S17/T17 and S15
November 29, 2019, 10:52:29 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: New Antminer S15 T15 overclock firmware
November 29, 2019, 12:42:47 AM: 2 from philipma1957 for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 28, 2019, 07:08:31 AM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
November 28, 2019, 06:49:31 AM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Unlock Tool • For Antminer S17 and T17
November 27, 2019, 07:44:03 PM: 1 from BitMaxz for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 27, 2019, 12:52:33 PM: 2 from philipma1957 for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!
November 26, 2019, 07:26:15 AM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Well the 2018 btc diff jumps are over so what will 2019 bring us?
November 24, 2019, 09:18:27 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: What to do with all the old s-9s.
November 24, 2019, 08:56:09 PM: 5 from frodocooper for SSH Unlock & Signature Check Removal Tool Antminer S17/T17/S15 No Installation!

November 22, 2019, 04:05:17 PM: 1 from LoyceV for Re: The Bitcoin Forum is 10 years old!

November 17, 2019, 09:23:09 PM: 2 from philipma1957 for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 17, 2019, 09:01:37 PM: 2 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 17, 2019, 09:01:14 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~
November 11, 2019, 09:13:59 PM: 3 from frodocooper for Re: Antminer S9 Volt Rocket Ship firmware mod! ~ALL S9 MODELS INCLUDING S9i S9j~


So he is a specialist and good for the forum.
legendary
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The ranking system went to a self-obtainable one, to a socially approved one (implying more dedicated time than before, and better content, along site the tipping of this thing called Merit). The proposal seems to veiledly point towards first class Merits, obtained by those being really Bitcoin centred, as opposed to those obtained on other boards or content derivate types. Consequently, one's Rank would fall into the same scale of perception, which I don’t see any benefit in, lest it be to distinguish ones from others depending on their knowledge on Bitcoin.

As I mentioned earlier today, perhaps thought could be turned into alternative features such as a virtual Bitcointalk CV built from taking on courses and such, where one would be able to focus in a didactical manner on acquiring knowledge (I’ve got here in mind here those corporate or consultancy repositories of online and collaborative courses). Of course that is a whole different approach, and costly if taken to the extreme, but would spare the Ranks from being classist, whilst forging knowledge and display of that knowledge through a Bitcointalk CV. Maybe a bit wild and over the top, but it would be nice in my opinion to have a Bitcointalk Academy of its own.
legendary
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Bad idea. It will end up with people posting on boards they don't like because they need 4 "Beginners board Merits" for the next rank, while they have enough "Altcoin board Merits" already.
Let's not do that. All Merits are equal!
legendary
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I don't know if it's a good idea to "force" people posting on some categories to rank up. You will probably show a lot of shitty posts popping up only for this purpose.

I also agree with you
Honestly, this suggestion for making more specialist section to earn merit is not good. Force people do what we want usually make the users feel unfriendly or difficult.
Each users have potential technique, they will post in sections they feel they can.

But, the good point of this suggestion, every newbie will have many knowledge because they will learn hardly to understand about mining, analysis, and technical. I also a newbie, till now i don't understand about mining, analysis, and technical.
legendary
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You might be a good mining technician, but you should still be aware of Bitcoins role in the world economy. Without that knowledge, you won't be able to make good mining investment decisions. One advantage of BitcoinTalk used to be that it brought together various specialists for discussions, but that doesn't seem to happen as much now.
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This could work only partly, in a way like the subforums where's no signature shown: some certain areas (Off-Topic, P&S, name it) which are for chit chat and not really Bitcoin related could be a target for "no merit areas".
But even that would be somewhat questionable, since also there can happen to exist intelligent and useful posts.
legendary
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I'm not sure u understand the main objective of the post. Are you suggesting the forum indicates (maybe on the user's profile) which boards the merits were earned from? Or it should be an added parameter to ranking up as is indicated in the topic title?
I would disagree in both points, the later would be almost impossible to implement and I do not think the former is important. Anyone interested in learning where a certain user got merits from can do so manually.

I for example get merits on boards which I spend the least time on. I like to visit the more technical boards, but do not have sufficient knowledge to engage in most of the discussions as yet, so I do more reading than replying.
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but after Junior level, then members should be capable of contributing to a variety of boards. It gets more difficult when members are solely miners, technicians, or speculators. The mix of members awarding the merits is probably more important.

Sorry but this would be a very bad idea.

Look at the real-life situations, not everybody is a doctor, an electrician, a pilot, and a farmer.
Why should somebody who is only interested in mining and does one hell of a job there giving real advice be forced to talk about speculation and gambling or being restricted to stay a member of a full member because he hates politics?

Members who come and pick up merit or two from different boards when they finally nail one answer out of a myriad will be able to become "legendaries" while real contributors who have done a million times more for the forum would be left at the bottom.
Of course, for most of them, ranks don't really matter but I still see it as some kind of injustice.

legendary
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I think a post deserving merit from someone else point of view deserves it no matter where the post comes from. It's subjective at some point.
I don't know if it's a good idea to "force" people posting on some categories to rank up. You will probably show a lot of shitty posts popping up only for this purpose.

I tend to agree with this.

We are bitcointalk.org

So if someone posts only in bitcoin mining section.

Making hundreds of good posts earning 1000 merits that member is doing well for bitcoin.

Making good posts in meta with real value is good for bitcointalk.org So a person that is mostly earning there hopefully directly helps bitcointalk.org


While it may be good to do both  sections and while i would argue mining ⛏ btc is the most important section the reality is a good post earning merit is exactly that a good post earning merit.

I think 🤔 I have 13 sections of bitcointalk with merits.
But I post always have.
I value btc and cryptography so I post all over.

This thread 🧵 wants posters to be generalists not specialists.

I disagree with op. Bitcointalk has room for both kinds of posters earning merits.

legendary
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I agree with you to a certain extent, but after Junior level, then members should be capable of contributing to a variety of boards. It gets more difficult when members are solely miners, technicians, or speculators. The mix of members awarding the merits is probably more important. but maybe the bounty hunters will club together to create the mix anyway.
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I think a post deserving merit from someone else point of view deserves it no matter where the post comes from. It's subjective at some point.
I don't know if it's a good idea to "force" people posting on some categories to rank up. You will probably show a lot of shitty posts popping up only for this purpose.
legendary
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It seems to me that the main emphasis in the hunt for merit is the size of one's merit pot. I believe that it would be beneficial for the forum to consider the source of those merits. For example, were they all gained on one board, and if so, was the board a technical one, or an off topic or announcement one. I think the breadth of appeal of a member to others in the forum should be considered as well. Perhaps there could be a minimum number of different awarders for each rank.
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