Topic: Another shooting - page 2. (Read 2945 times)

Quote from: organofcorti on August 07, 2012, 06:50:37 PM

Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

Thus proving the truth of the phrase "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns."

If you really think this, then why do some places with tight gun control have far less gun crime than those without tight gun control?

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I live in one of the UK's highest murder rate areas.
Know what? Statistically it isn't half as bad as just about any US city.

Why? Because the UK has tough gun laws and harsh sentencing, and around here it's very effective.
There's still knife crime, but most stabbings aren't fatal (not sure why, suggests the criminals involved aren't very good at it).
Hell, most of the police around here don't carry guns. They don't need to.

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Crimes of passion are less likely to be fatal, as are muggings.

Except, not. Ever seen a stab wound?

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Poor impulse control.

Gun control makes it harder for people to kill each other. Crimes of passion are less likely to be fatal, as are muggings. Planned murders will use whatever weapon is best suited to the purpose, regardless of cost.

I'd rather have more burglaries than risk being killed during a mugging. Or accidentally scaring someone with an itchy trigger finger when I'm walking down a dark alley.

I have a friend who is completing an online doctorate from the University of Florida. Although she doesn't live in the US, she gets the campus secularity alert email. The first time she got a "Guns fired nearby alert" we all thought it was bizarre. Now, we just accept that there's way more gun crime in the US than I have where I live (per capita).

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Quote from: pekv2 on August 07, 2012, 06:33:31 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 07, 2012, 03:15:41 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 07, 2012, 03:15:41 PM

Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

Thus proving the truth of the phrase "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns."

'theory' If they were outlawed, all of them melted down. Outlaws would carry knives :/. If outlawed, just need to stop the source where guns come from, no guns to be carried by outlaws. Would never happen though and the shootings will continue. Give it couple months time, we'll hear about some other random shooting.

For that to work, you would need to find every firearm ever made from the medieval hand-gonne, all the way up to modern assault rifles. Better get cannons, too. Then, you would need to erase from everyone's mind the recipe for gunpowder: a mixture of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulfur in a 75:15:10 ratio, and destroy every lathe, milling machine and (now) 3-d printer.

And people would still kill each other with crossbows.

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Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

Thus proving the truth of the phrase "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns."

'theory' If they were outlawed, all of them melted down. Outlaws would carry knives :/. If outlawed, just need to stop the source where guns come from, no guns to be carried by outlaws. Would never happen though and the shootings will continue. Give it couple months time, we'll hear about some other random shooting.

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Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

Thus proving the truth of the phrase "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns."

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Quote from: RodeoX on August 07, 2012, 08:18:50 AM

Quote from: RodeoX on August 07, 2012, 08:18:50 AM

How many of the victims had guns? Was this the third shooting this year in a "defenseless victim zone?"

Well, it was a Sikh temple, so it can be assumed they all had knives...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Yeah, I'm a little surprised considering being armed is a requirement of the religion. But I guess that is just dogmatic at this stage.
Well, it's getting harder for these nuts to find a place where people are unarmed. A gun is the only thing that can keep you safe from a gunman. If you are in a place that does not allow conceal carry, you could try running I guess?? But you will likely just die tired.

Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

The ones who carry without a license are the ones I'm worried about. They face years in jail if caught. Anyone that irresponsible should not be trusted with a gun. It's true that many of the most restrictive places in the USA have the highest murder rates with guns. Chicago is a good example. Ill is the last state to not allow conceal carry, and Chicago is one of the most dangerous places in the US. Along with Washington D.C., Los Angles, and New York city; all have high gun murder rates and draconian gun laws.
Now compare that to rural Texas where everyone you meet has a gun, and no one knows anybody who has been killed by a gun.

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Quote from: RodeoX on August 07, 2012, 08:18:50 AM

How many of the victims had guns? Was this the third shooting this year in a "defenseless victim zone?"

Well, it was a Sikh temple, so it can be assumed they all had knives...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Yeah, I'm a little surprised considering being armed is a requirement of the religion. But I guess that is just dogmatic at this stage.
Well, it's getting harder for these nuts to find a place where people are unarmed. A gun is the only thing that can keep you safe from a gunman. If you are in a place that does not allow conceal carry, you could try running I guess?? But you will likely just die tired.

Doesn't matter, ppl carry illegally anyhow. Example, look at the Chicago's shootings/killings/murders that happen every night. On average it is 10-15 shot and/or killed, including from adults to children.

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How many of the victims had guns? Was this the third shooting this year in a "defenseless victim zone?"

Well, it was a Sikh temple, so it can be assumed they all had knives...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan

Yeah, I'm a little surprised considering being armed is a requirement of the religion. But I guess that is just dogmatic at this stage.
Well, it's getting harder for these nuts to find a place where people are unarmed. A gun is the only thing that can keep you safe from a gunman. If you are in a place that does not allow conceal carry, you could try running I guess?? But you will likely just die tired.

You just gotta run faster than the other people, they should provide a distraction long enough to get away.

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