Antbleed: A remote shutdown backdoor in antminers - page 4.

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Quote from: kingcolex on April 27, 2017, 06:59:00 PM

Looks like your shouting racism to avoid discussion, if you think the fact that Bitmain is Chinese isn't relevant you're crazy.

what if i told you most of the hardware was in places like mongolia..
thats like saying something canadian is american...'cos its north america'

what if i told you mining hardware is also in other places like georgia iceland etc
what if i told you jihan is just one person that cannot be at multiple farms at once.
what if i told you that jihan doesnt control 70% of hardware.

i shouted the racism card once.. yet everyone else shouted shill or insult in many post..
but i can yawn off all the people that can only reply "wrong coz ur a shill" without actually addressing the context with anything meaningful

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 26, 2017, 04:28:56 PM

What's more interesting is that anyone can brick them according to this -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/67qwqv/antbleed_exposing_the_malicious_backdoor_on/dgsk6cf/

This itself is horrid, if the company in which you put trust into to make ASIC miners and you wouldn't even think they'd do something like this ends up doing this would make me want them to go under right then and there. It's nice to now see that Jihan (Hate him, but +respect for this) coming out and confirming that the backdoor is there and such.

I would hope they come through to remove this but it would be nice to see this as the end of Jihan as people are going to be losing all of the respect that they had for him, not like I thought there was much left anyway. If he and his company does go down because of this it could be the end of BTU and the rise of Segwit as a whole as Wu was the biggest componenet against Segwit.

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 06:08:41 PM

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

lol if you know the answer, tell me.

How about you actually do some reading and then research before making useless posts? That's what you should be doing.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

I know there's a backdoor. Is it an old backdoor?

It has been in existence for at least half a year (most likely longer).

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

Is it relevent?

Yes.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

There are standard backdoors in everything from hardware routers to iphones(I'm not certain many posting in this thread know that).

False comparison fallacy. That's really not relevant.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

Not everyone has time to look at the specifics of the exploit & figure out whether it can be used to gain root access in a way that would allow someone to steal crypto or do some other nefarious deeds.

It can only shut down 70% of the network. Nothing really nefarious. Roll Eyes

Its hard to know who to believe with politics being involved & people saying things that are untrue to push their own self interest agendas.

Much thanks for the response btw!

I wonder if this was deliberately introduced as a way to shutdown bitcoin core miners to make it seem as if bitcoin core developers introduced bugs into their software, like the one which allows BU nodes to be shut down remotely.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

lol if you know the answer, tell me.

How about you actually do some reading and then research before making useless posts? That's what you should be doing.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

I know there's a backdoor. Is it an old backdoor?

It has been in existence for at least half a year (most likely longer).

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

Is it relevent?

Yes.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

There are standard backdoors in everything from hardware routers to iphones(I'm not certain many posting in this thread know that).

False comparison fallacy. That's really not relevant.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 06:05:55 PM

Not everyone has time to look at the specifics of the exploit & figure out whether it can be used to gain root access in a way that would allow someone to steal crypto or do some other nefarious deeds.

It can only shut down 70% of the network. Nothing really nefarious. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 06:02:32 PM

It's very easy to see what's true. It takes <30 seconds. Stop shit posting for your campaign.

lol if you know the answer, tell me.

I know there's a backdoor. Is it an old backdoor? Is it relevent? There are standard backdoors in everything from hardware routers to iphones(I'm not certain many posting in this thread know that).

Not everyone has time to look at the specifics of the exploit & figure out whether it can be used to gain root access in a way that would allow someone to steal crypto or do some other nefarious deeds.

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 05:37:34 PM

Godwin's law has been fulfilled, almost.

I now assume you are a shill, after all, calling critics racist is exactly what a shill would do to push his agenda. Thank you for the clarification.

I've warned you already. You didn't listen to my posts; could have saved yourself some time.

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 05:47:54 PM

Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 05:35:52 PM

Franky on ASICBOOST exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky on AntBleed exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky when someone mentions SegWit: "DOOMSDAY. TEMPORARY GESTURE. BLOCKSTREAM. BOMBS."
Cheesy

lol
lauda you make me laugh

segwit end user features that core promise and promote are the empty promise temporary gesture. but the tier network and control is less than temporary.
PS read the core code and documentation about biasedly rejecting blocks and disconnecting from nodes purely out of version bias, not out of rule validity.

Ironically you still don't even understand my post yet claim to read and actually understand the code (not even in fantasies). Both ASICBOOST and AntBleed are evil. Until you are willing to both accept and admit this fact, you are obviously very biased and/or paid. Politics and scaling aside, the statement about A&A is factual.

Quote from: Hydrogen on April 27, 2017, 05:53:01 PM

Its hard to tell what's true or not, but antbleed being associated with antpool which is one of the largest supporters of bitcoin unlimited.

It's very easy to see what's true. It takes <30 seconds. Stop shit posting for your campaign.

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There's a webpage devoted to this topic..

http://antbleed.com

Its hard to tell what's true or not, but antbleed being associated with antpool which is one of the largest supporters of bitcoin unlimited.

And so maybe its not difficult to see where the politics come into play here, with many attempting to trivialize this due to them not wanting more criticism against BU.

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 05:37:34 PM

I now assume you are a shill, after all, calling critics racist is exactly what a shill would do to push his agenda. Thank you for the clarification.

call me what you like.
but now you have go all the insults off your chest
go research and try seeing the big picture from the point of view of the bitcoin network.
dont wear the blockstream defence cap.
wear the critical thinking cap.

dont read the reddit scripts. read the code and documentation
again not with the utopian dreamer blockstream defence cap

look at the big picture, the long term picture.
and be truly critical.
maybe even worth you repeating to yourself "what if hearne coded this" just to keep your critical mind on track

i will just leave you with this thought.
knowing that changing PoW requires a network consnsus upgrade to achieve it

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 07:50:24 AM

instead of doubling down on threats just to push segwit as is but done hard.. the blockstream team and fanboys should think of plan B
if they are going to pull a pin... actually recode segwit to be 1 merkle and a proper network wide 4mb that is also dynamic and add other community desird features.
dont waste the blockstream triggered hard fork event if soft fails to activate, purely to push opposition away, use it to unite the community with proper non cesspit creating network

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Quote from: Lauda on April 27, 2017, 05:35:52 PM

Franky on ASICBOOST exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky on AntBleed exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky when someone mentions SegWit: "DOOMSDAY. TEMPORARY GESTURE. BLOCKSTREAM. BOMBS."
Cheesy

lol
lauda you make me laugh

segwit end user features that core promise and promote are the empty promise temporary gesture. but the tier network and control is less than temporary.
PS read the core code and documentation about biasedly rejecting blocks and disconnecting from nodes purely out of version bias, not out of rule validity.

its really time you took some time to read less of reddit and more of the actual details

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Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 05:31:02 PM

Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 04:58:59 PM

all i read is racial slurs against a country.

Godwin's law has been fulfilled, almost.

I now assume you are a shill, after all, calling critics racist is exactly what a shill would do to push his agenda. Thank you for the clarification.

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Quote from: Decoded on April 27, 2017, 05:29:49 PM

You'd think that if bitmain were to cease development on minerlink, they would remove all related code, or even announce that they are working on a fix.

Great to see there are people looking out for these exploits, but I think bitmain really screwed up here.

Bitmain was active of this issue for several months, see GitHub: https://github.com/bitmaintech/bmminer/issues/7. They have only rushed to handle this once someone has been exposed to the wider public.

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 05:31:02 PM

all i read is racial slurs against a country.

Facts != racial slurs.

Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 05:31:02 PM

long term view not temporary drama that is forgotton about after minutes/days

think about the big picture

Franky on ASICBOOST exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky on AntBleed exposure: All is good. Ignore temporary drama.
Franky when someone mentions SegWit: "DOOMSDAY. TEMPORARY GESTURE. BLOCKSTREAM. BOMBS."
Cheesy

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Quote from: Decoded on April 27, 2017, 05:29:49 PM

You'd think that if bitmain were to cease development on minerlink, they would remove all related code, or even announce that they are working on a fix.

Great to see there are people looking out for these exploits, but I think bitmain really screwed up here.

has anyone looked at bitcoin cores DNS seed managed by mainly blockstreamers

   vSeeds.push_back(CDNSSeedData("bitcoin.sipa.be", "seed.bitcoin.sipa.be", true)); // Pieter Wuille, only supports x1, x5, x9, and xd
   vSeeds.push_back(CDNSSeedData("bluematt.me", "dnsseed.bluematt.me", true)); // Matt Corallo, only supports x9
   vSeeds.push_back(CDNSSeedData("dashjr.org", "dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org")); // Luke Dashjr

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Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 05:31:02 PM

Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 04:58:59 PM

all i read is racial slurs against a country.
now to the real debate BITCOIN network code
long term view not temporary drama that is forgotton about after minutes/days

think about the big picture

Big picture is alwasy cloudy. First start from low level and dont think about big picture Roll Eyes

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 04:58:59 PM

all i read is racial slurs against a country.
now to the real debate BITCOIN network code
long term view not temporary drama that is forgotton about after minutes/days

think about the big picture

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You'd think that if bitmain were to cease development on minerlink, they would remove all related code, or even announce that they are working on a fix.

Great to see there are people looking out for these exploits, but I think bitmain really screwed up here.

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 05:02:31 PM

That is true, Jihad, Antbleed and Asicboost does not mean, Segwit (with blocksize limitation) is good.

Correct, segwit is good absolutely, not relatively.

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Quote from: lurker10 on April 27, 2017, 02:30:44 PM

Bitmain fucked up, with no malice as is revealed by the open nature of their code on github. Malware writers do not publish their code for the whole world to see.

Their fuck-up does NOT make Segwit less dangerous and more acceptable. Segwit, BU - both of them are garbage and insecure solutions. Bitcoin should be left as a safe haven crypto with no changes to the protocol.

That is true, Jihad, Antbleed and Asicboost does not mean, Segwit (with blocksize limitation) is good.

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Quote from: franky1 on April 27, 2017, 03:04:15 PM

Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 01:59:27 PM

Is that for real? I was under the impression that Jonald was intelligent. "I don't care if Stalin is shady I like his uniform" ... holy crap Shocked

it would only be a worry if bitmain had a exploit against bitfury or bitfury had an exploit against bitmain..
but finding that bitmain "could" only access their own products and "if" they triggered anything they would end up with queues of refunds.. its not as big a deal as say a soft fork that bypasses real network consensus, to add code that if activated changes the network into a tier network without nodes consent/veto ability

I see. So you would buy a Chinese car, which can be disabled by the Chinese car manufacturer which in turn has close ties to Chinese government (and all Chinese companies have close ties, to say it very nicely)

And you would say "As long as Ford does not have the exploit against my car I am not worried", well maybe you should cut down on your happy pills LOL Cheesy

With all those happy pills, you can, of course, not see the dangerous situation that would have arisen if a large portion of the worlds hash power could have been disabled instantly (various attacks possible, 51% and below) Roll Eyes

BTW refunds??!! From China??!!

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 01:59:27 PM

Quote from: Darkbot on April 27, 2017, 09:35:45 AM

Quote from: pereira4 on April 27, 2017, 09:00:56 AM

Lmao. This pretty much invalidates anything jonald the troll says from now on. The blocksize obsessed trolls/paid shills can't see beyond what number the blocksize has.
A guy has a mining monopoly capable of killing the network? Who cares, just raise the blocksize!!
Those trolls should be banned.

+1

Here we have it R.I.P BU Troll Jonald Fyookball and paid shill Franky1.

Is that for real? I was under the impression that Jonald was intelligent. "I don't care if Stalin is shady I like his uniform" ... holy crap Shocked

Yes. Here's the archived version in case that the shill deletes their comments: https://archive.fo/SPPmJ

Quote from: lurker10 on April 27, 2017, 02:30:44 PM

Bitmain fucked up, with no malice as is revealed by the open nature of their code on github. Malware writers do not publish their code for the whole world to see.

This is a false conclusion fallacy. Just because they have published their code on GitHub that premise does not in any way follow to a logical conclusion of benevolent behavior. The backdoor exists in all miners, and can be exploited by malicious actors. Whether that actor is going to be Bitmain or someone else is not of high importance.

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Quote from: leopard2 on April 27, 2017, 01:59:27 PM

Is that for real? I was under the impression that Jonald was intelligent. "I don't care if Stalin is shady I like his uniform" ... holy crap Shocked

it would only be a worry if bitmain had a exploit against bitfury or bitfury had an exploit against bitmain..
but finding that bitmain "could" only access their own products and "if" they triggered anything they would end up with queues of refunds.. its not as big a deal as say a soft fork that bypasses real network consensus, to add code that if activated changes the network into a tier network without nodes consent/veto ability

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