Topic: AntiDolos extortion/scam (Read 709 times)

Looking for truth, obviously. The roasting part was done several posts ago. Try to keep up.


Me? Why me? I am just an amateur with zero experience in scam busting. Why don't you? You're the professional here. I thought you like to see yourself as the last force protecting the cryptocommunity?


I most certainly don't know about that partnership, solely for the reason I am not even aware I have friends on bitcointalk. Care to tell me who my friends are whom partnered with you? I am sure they don't mind you mentioning them by name and inviting them here to vouch for you and informing me that I am their friend. You might made my day by letting me know that some people here on the forum, who happen to be your partner, consider me as their friend.


[gasp]
The highest level of moral principles and honesty is accepting payment to remove negative facts from a review site and hiring and considering people who spent 48 hours on an app, platform, or the likes as someone with real user experience?


Hmm.. this is interesting. Can you ask her for me, if she's not in any way involved, at any degree with BKS, then why'd she retweeted their tweet about her being their advisor? I am aware I can ask her myself, but certainly we can agree that two people poking her tg with questions will rather put her on an inconvenient situation.

And for the last time, CryptoViking and BKS are not my friend, just like --I am sure-- they're also not friends with the DT who left you feedback. The feedback and "defense" --though I prefer to use the word "inquiries-- happens here is not because we know CV and friend with him. I have not even heard of his name before this thread. So it'll be very much appreciated if you can stop throwing the "you're friend with xxx" or "your friend xxx" or "the admins bla-bla-bla" like its a Black Friday.


I am sure you're well aware that your answer is not covering what I asked. Allow me to make it simpler: does the 1,000-3,000 USD and the 5-10% you charge to your "client" is outside the fee charged by the law firms?

Are you looking for truth or just want to roast AntiDolos in any form?
I think you should make a thread about Cointelegraph and even Yahoo. Cointelegraph does 5 min of research & even promo Shitcoins if you pay $5K. Yahoo is even worse. It doesn't matter who you're, just pay $700 to have a promo article on Yahoo blog.

Did you know we've already partnered with some of your friends on Bitcointalk for sig campaigns? They only ask one question. Is this a scam? No. Then they wear their banner. Did you spend months researching MIXERO, whose banner you carry? Are they saints and have no weaknesses?

That's the marketing industry, bro. Everyone has their own standards & morals, and AntiDolos dares to perform the highest level of moral principles and honesty. Please open your eyes to reality.




Why are you trying so hard to defend your friend? We both know how dirty this game is. Behind the scenes, the OP Tweet about Ms. Valge, and she welcomes it without giving a damn care about the project. She does not admit cause of business. The only real advisors are those who publish the name of the project on LinkedIn or their official accounts.



We are not a broker. If the case is in Turkey, Malaysia, UAE, and USA, we'll do it ourselves. Otherwise, we ask our business associates.
Consultation is 100% free.
For all countries, we've the attorney's fees only if legal proceedings are initiated in a law firm.
Email us if you want more info. I'm sure the legal guys can help better. I'm a social media guy. 

Yes, I got the answer, as well as, I believe, everybody who read this thread. Though a bit implicitly explained, the nature of your site and the ethic you followed, your definition of honesty, can be summed up in that sentence. When people did not pay you, i.e.: using your free service, you'll tell all positive and negative facts. You'll have a lengthy dialog with the potential buyer like CryptoViking, inquiring about so many things --borderline grasping at straws, if I may add my personal amateur opinion-- while actually collecting more and more materials for your article and offering the paid service. When they pay, they can rest assured. When they opt to use your free service, though, they'll have a potential to [check note], ahh... deserved to be "shut down"

I think the tag is well proven and justified now.

Moving on to next topic. Though, at this point, I don't see why its necessary anymore, given the dark side of your service is already well-founded. Nonetheless...

Ms. Valge.
I can see that you're quite well versed on crafting sentences to drive certain opinion. "consultant", "work with them", "working on". The announcement made by BKS was that she's one of the advisors, as she acknowledged and confirmed on the last part of her chat with you.

Flying overseas to help solve problems... and whatnot.
Your explanation on the earlier part here, just in case I was wrongly understand it, I'd like to confirm, so you're pretty much brokering a lawyer? You're reviewing a case, if it can be solved by yourself, virtually, much like what we did here, it's free. But if it require a lawyer, you'll look for a lawyer in that area, charge the customer an extra 1,000-3,000 USD outside the lawyer's fee, non-refundable, and when they win the case, you'll charge another 5-10% of the amount won. All that for finding a lawyer for the customer? Or do I understand that scheme of yours wrongly?

I am sorry if I sound rude, that's a bit intentional, but I think you have a trouble on addressing all the matters being discussed. This will the third time it being asked, so I'll just snip everything and focus solely on this matter below, to help with your short attention span, until it's cleared.

Our assistance is like this
1. We collect all info and every detail.
2. Validation.
3. If it is approved, we'll handle the cases of Turkey, the US, Malaysia, and the UAE. If not, we will refer to our lawyers.
4. It costs nothing so far.
5. If the lawyer takes the initial approval of the legal authority, we'll charge $1K to $3K.
6. If the case is successful, we take 5-10% of the case amount as a commission.
7. If the case fails, there is no refund.
But what is important is we don't take any money until we take valid approval from a known legal institute in the destination.






https://antidolos.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Screenshot007.jpg

Enough? If you want, we'll talk to all the advisors and those 56 business partners. But the result is the same.



You are absolutely right. We get some sum to boost. Not changing the facts. Money is for article boost. It's their decision whether a 6.1 score is worth boosting or not. But we guessed that after some promo people will raise it to 8. NOT US...PEOPLE

I can't be the only one aware that you conveniently left out the part about stars and supportive comments? What about them? They're made by people who truly using the platform in subject, and all of them has to be extremely satisfied? 5 stars. Does it mean suppose there are 60 reviewers, legit reviewers from which I have no idea where you get them from, 10 of them leave a 4 stars review, which doesn't met your service agreement, so you'll have to ask them to not publish it? Quite sure cherry picking is not fair in the world of reviewing a service or platform. Is this honesty? How about if you only have 30 out of those 60 who gave 5 stars? You'll ask the other 30 to not post their review while hunting for more reviewers --again, not sure where you get the legit people who reviewed a platform for the sole purpose of reviewing it instead of getting paid for it-- and so on and so on until you achieve 50? Again, is this honesty?


So now you're no longer "the last force", but one of "the last" person and one of the last sites. Falling down pretty quick from the initial position of your statement, eh? Curious about one thing, how much will it cost for someone to solve a case to the court of India or Pakistan? Free? I have specific someone in mind that is in trouble and last i check --haven't open their thread for days now-- they're looking for a lawyer to help them. Also have another one in mind with significantly less amount of money, but currently in an indisputable situation against a platform, care to mediate them and fly back and forth between their countries? You can fly there and help them both? Pro bono? Or will it cost tens of thousands of dollars?


Interesting. I'd really love if I could verify that you're indeed talking with Ms. Valge and not talking to each other with yourself or one of your team. Care to show us the profile box that shows her username with that chat on the background? I am sure a scam buster know what I mean and how to provide it.


I don't think whether the last paragraph of the archived chat log is real or fabricated is relevant. It was provided simply for the reason you asked them to show the entire chat, where you imply there will be something there to tip the balance towards your side, as stated below:


It does not negate the fact that you asked some sum of money for some rating boost. In fact, anyone reading that conversation in full will very likely understand that you removed the word "FAKE" is simply as a bargaining chip, a gesture of good will that will turn sour when your request got denied.

The chat is filled with implied threat every now and then.

This is an honest way you pay people to talk about you. As people pay you to put up their banners and talk about them. But there is a red line here. No service is provided to scams, Shitcoins, gambling sites, and Ponzi projects.



100% YES.
Investors are our only valuable asset and we've a big database of investors & hunters. We didn't pay for this info and it is completely voluntary.





We may not be the last person, but we're one of the last sites that act this way. If an anonymous victim messages Lovesmayfamilis and asks for help, is he/she willing to follow the case to the courts of India or Pakistan? Probably many bloggers, YouTubers, admins, and Influencers help people (and we truly respect them) but I don't think they help outside of their mobile and laptops.






Is this enough? All we say is that this project overstates everything. They rely too much on names.

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Thanks for this topic. There's no such thing as bad marketing, and you've made a lot traffic to our site.
Let's get this thread to 1000 views while our lawyer is pursuing the complaint against you due to privacy violation and slander.
We're playing in your field for now but soon switch to a fair and honest game.  

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Same. If they paid $1K, we would promote the same content and help them to troubleshoot.



The truth is that we didn't know they were against us until a couple of days ago and we didn't know about this topic either.
The last paragraph of the chat he shared is fake. After our proposal, he said that he would consult with the team and inform us. We are such simple and kind people.   We published the article and waited for their payment to start our services.

Be focused on your service please, I'm not talking about other services.

I mean the content of the review, I don't care if you stick it on your windshield. So will it be the same or not?

$1k will be billed before the article is published right? You previously prepared a draft and showed it to the project team and it won't be found archived.

I went through the entire conversation, and all I can say, you gave that kid way too much attention. The only thing that's probably true is that he's from Malaysia, but everything else he said is just a load of BS and a massive exaggeration of his "importance" in the crypto world. Don't waste your time on people like that!

Nice job on exposing him publicly, though. That'll definitely make it harder for him to keep pulling off his little scam of extorting and blackmailing other projects.

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Well, it seems you missed the memo: Bitcointalk admins don't handle every single thing that goes on in the forum. And to think, with your supposed "vast" experience in this field, it's surprising that you didn't already know this.

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You can count me in on that action! I want a piece of the pie too! 🤑

I just uploaded the chat log as html file and also as PDF file, so you can choose whatever you prefer.

HTML file link: https://ufile.io/7fsbxupe

PDF file link: https://ufile.io/wbzjlh9w

[holydarkness said: the explanation, in summary, was that the OP, -CryptoViking- has deleted all of the chat]

As a professional, from where I stood, you should have understand and well-adept on the rule to archive everything for future reference, this practices even also applied in real world business. But let's not dwell on that. Earlier today I've contacted OP via telegram and reinvited him to this thread to perhaps add further info. And unlike you, I archive it, alongside with a prior notice to the counterparty that I am doing so. Let's just wait for OP to come here.

[I saw that OP has replied here in between me composing this wall of text and confirmed the deletion. OP, do you mind sharing those archived conversations?]

Meanwhile, let's talk about this interesting part of paid service you offered, shown below. From the perspective of a professional, as you claimed to be, from 1 to 10, how low do you think these practices I mark in red squares in term of ethical business, personal invasion, and/or honest review site?



Do those private investors know and you have their consent on their email being shared to a third party paying you? How about the 5 stars comment and 50 supportive comments? These were made with honesty too?


Can I kindly, very kindly, ask you to please don't self-overpraise yourself? If you can? I believe you're not the last force standing on this dirty market and helping people, especially given that you involve yourself on that dirty market by offering positive reviews on several sites. Lovesmayfamilis can probably single handedly --or even single fingerly-- topped your self-proclaimed last force against dirty market and helping people, and he's just one of dozens of the prominent scam-busters on this forum who actively hunting not only projects but also individuals who threaten the poor and vulnerable citizen of crypto, I was just too lazy to dig their profile link. If you have been around the scam busting field for so long, I am more than sure you can mention several names yourself. And they do that completely for free. So yeah, I doubt the "last force" statement is quite correct.


No admins involved on this case by standing in front of you to defend "their friend". So far, only the DTs, and they're not even 20, just... 5, hmmm... you must be bad at math. And they --or dare I say "we" as I am there too-- are not friends with cryptoviking or backstage. For a professional in scam busting and crypto reviewing who doesn't take screenshots for what I assume would be privacy reason, you seems a bit trigger happy on baseless statements, don't you agree?

But enough roasting. Now let's move back to the topic. I'd like to address the concern of your depth of capability to conduct research as... the last force. Let's focus on this project and the article you published [archived here].

You believe Ms. Valge's involvement on the project is, at the very least, questionable because you can't confirm her involvement. No mention of this project on her LinkedIn. Thus you marked it with fake on your page. If only you dive deeper, far deeper than an amateur like me did, you'll find a fact that she retweeted the announcement of those 56 partners.



I doubt she'll be retweeting it if she did not involved at any degree and backstage only borrowed her name without consent.

Thought?

I'm just jumping in quickly as I was invited to take a look at the topic by @holydarkness via TG. Not much that I can add here, cos for me this was straightforward from the start as @JeromeTash said in previous reply and the main reason why I decided to post this. Blackmail.

As previously mentioned I don't care if some low tier "review" site writes whatever they want about any project including the project I'm co founder of, but I care about the blackmail part and I don't want anyone else to have to deal with that and experience it. The whole purpose of scambusting right?

If they knew how to actually do it properly they would do their research thoroughly and then they would post their article and that is it. They would not even contact us to chat with us as an overture for the kind offer of bumping the rating to a higher score for a mere 1000$ cos they are so kind and act like real savers

And to address one more thing, not like I feel it's needed really, but for the sake of me being 100% transparent and concise. I deleted the entire chat interaction on TG I had with the scammer, because I provided him the contracts, company registration documents, legal opinions for the token and the business model itself, business model itself, audit reports by Hacken for our entire fleet of smart contracts and so on, to show him how all his accusations are baseless and nonsensical. When I realized with whom I'm dealing with I immediately deleted the entire chat, but before that I exported the entire chat, so I actually have the entire conversation saved in case I'm dealing with the really nasty kind.

After he offered what he offered, after seeing all the documentation I knew that this scammer is beyond saving or grace and posted here to get him out in the public so others don't have to deal with him.

The Op deleted the chats after taking the screenshot. I said this ten times.

I'm tired of this argument. Investors read our reviews and make their own decisions. The fact is, they don't care who takes the money.
Anyway, this is our disclaimer page.
https://antidolos.com/Disclaimer


This is the scoring chart and we rate based on 20 parameters.
0 - 4: Completely scam & expose immediately.
4 - 6: Failed project. We don't even post about them.
6 - 8: Offer to solve problems & cooperation.
8 - 10: The best opportunity for cooperation.

In the end, it does not matter what people think. What is ultimately important is we can't post nonsense and if something is published on the site, it is documented.

You have very long arguments with all of us but you are not showing any part of these conversations since the start of the accusation to refute OP, and I did not judge you right away I go to the extent of checking your site
look for a disclaimer to see what are the parameters and requirements for a project to avail of your service but there is none, go check the other marketing managers here and you'll see that they impose requirements for projects that would like to avail of their service.

Now you're telling me this when it's not even on your website my impression is even a low-score project based on your assessment can avail of your service and that's why you are offering your service to OP even if you told him that he has a low score.



 
 

Thanks buddy for your kind words.
I'm not stressed, I'm just upset that 20 admins stand in front of AntiDolos to defend their friend. 

They completely forgot that we exposed an ambitious project and only focused on why we charge $1K. Even though no money was taken.
Let's assume we take money. So? What's next?

We are NOT committed to anyone and our only goal is to educate investors on the best choice.
With money or without money. Finally, it is important that what is published is the plain truth.

Mate, I see your stress but do not forget the sayings that says "a clear conscience fears no accusations" So if you think you have nothing in the secret to hide then you should not be afraid or worried of mere propaganda because nothing is hidden beneath the sun. As long as you have a strong point and facts to defend yourself than that should not bother you in anyways.

Thank you for your feedback on the text.
I stress that OP has deleted the chats & I can't provide a screenshot. But if he shows the previous conversation, you'll notice that we said we can help to improve your project cause you have the potential. As we removed the word "FAKE" word from the draft and even published the photos that OP gave us as proof.
https://antidolos.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Haash-and-Backstage-768x288.jpg

Our most important proof is 3 years of resume and we never show projects more than they really are.


It is not a problem if your offer is clear and helps us troubleshoot.
I appreciate & respect all your opinions. Thanks to all of you.

But honestly, BitcoinTalk admins NEVER helped us in these 3 years, and now that there is a misunderstanding, they ignore all our efforts and destroy us. While we are the last forces standing on this dirty market and helping people.

As a professional, can you show a little respect to the interlocutors and write in normal text size? There are no idiots here and everyone can read. Also, constant and persistent repetition^paste of your views does not help and it is really hard to try to follow what you are presenting here. At least to me.

We all encourage you here to refute the OP's claims and provide a screenshot that will do so. It's about your reputation here and your service, so it's completely justified that you present evidence.

The fact is that if you are really neutral and objective, then at no time can you say "for $1,000 we are ready to 8+ score your project and fully promote your article on sites and forums." You are not talking about fixing bugs or whatever here, it is blackmail at its most obvious.

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At the moment you have 5 negative tags, how would it look if you got an offer to get 8+ positive feedback instead of -5 for only $2000?

This is common at ALL rating sites. You pay and your article is displayed on the front page or your banner is published. You can check the web archive of https://Antidolos.com.
Since 2020, we NEVER changed articles except for valid updates or bug fixes that officially announced. Even if they pay $10K, the article will NOT change if they don't fix issues.
If you pay, we'll share the article on socials & put their banner on the first page.



If you're looking for evidence, check the link below
https://antidolos.com/category/disclosure/

I emphasize again that we NOT change the score for money, but if you pay we'll show your problem & help you debug your project & make you viral so users can increase your score. This is what we did before.
1. Your score is 6.
2. We show your bugs.
3. You fix them.
4. We publish you on social and the front page.
5. People rate you.
6. Now your score is 8.



We're professionals and never take screenshots of private chats. The OP immediately deleted the chats after taking the screenshot.
Are you looking for proof? Please read the explanation I share in this Quote.



The OP and I had more than 100 DM and you only saw 1 message. Never judge a book by its cover. You don't know what we were talking about before.
Our qualification is that we provide marketing and debugging services only for projects that are NOT scams and have only some weaknesses. If your project is a scam, we won't even talk to you. However, if we see the initial potential, we'll negotiate with you on troubleshooting, resolving issues and marketing so that your score increases over time. But we never twist the facts for money.

Maybe it's the wrong choice of words that you've used because however I read it based on the screenshot of JeromeTash you sound like you are trying to convince the admin to try your service for $1000 to increase the rating of the project, there's nothing wrong offering a premium marketing service but offering to give a good score on your review for a fee is questionable.
If you have a review site and offer premium marketing services, you should know who can avail of that service will you let a project with a very low rating avail of your premium service?
So if I have a low rating in your reviews can I avail of your marketing service?

I don't see qualifications on what kind of project you are willing to promote, there is no Disclaimer and requirement either
https://antidolos.com/digital-marketing-services/