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soy
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September 20, 2014, 09:04:04 AM
So the problem S3 was down around 430GH/s this morning and I decided to go over its probably reworked board, the board that had grossly over-tightened screws, but would try frequency change first.  

It had been down to 430 so I tried changing the frequency to check out its effect on hashrate.  In /etc/config/asic-freq I changed to f=225, rebooted and restarted cgminer to get a fresh time duration.  I gave it some time but it came up very slowly only to 420 or so.  And it was a cool morning!  All the other machines were hashing perfectly.  So, I tried again, this time with f=212.5 but again it came up slow and only to 417GH/s.  So, I ripped it apart again.

I was going to concentrate on its ASICs at the hot end of the reworked board, but ended up getting distracted.  What distracted me was that the board had marking in black ink at the far right under the top ASIC (on this board that would be near the intake fan).  Might have been Chinese or a code of some kind.  So, I cleaned that ACIC and the one under it with a spray of automobile brake cleaner such that all thermal paste was removed.  Must be careful with the stuff as it will mar many plastics.  I sprayed those ASICs cleaning around the pins, reapplied thermal compound to both sides of the blade and reassembled.  The brake cleaner removed the notation marks on that blade.  When I reassembled, for a change, I put the bad board on the right side facing the RJ45 connector.

I started it up then ran to the store and back.  Right now the 'difficult' S3, at a frequency of 218.75, after 1hr 20min, has an average hashrate of 443.74GH/s.  The temps are both 40° with fan speeds of 2040/1800.  Time will tell.

Bummer.  Up now over 6hrs and the hashrate has started to drop off.  Could be to an increase in humidity and that the first S3 hasn't seen a similar tailing off of hashrate because its average is over a 12hr period but probably not as it's at 442.24GH/s utility 17 while the problem S3 has tailed off to 437.63, utility 15.  Experience tells me it will continue to fall and tomorrow morning may be down around 420GH/s.  Temps are 40/39 and fans 1920/1620.  The good S3 has 40/38 3180/1920 and the good and questionable S3's are side by side.  What jumps out are the higher fan speeds of the good S3.

Too bad.  1:30AM, checking the problem S3 and its hashrate has dropped to 429.01GH/s after 9hr 55min.  Since I have two S3's, I could take what I think is the bad board and swap it into the other S3 and see if the good S3 then has a falling hashrate - just to make sure which board is bad.  What's wrong with that is that the other S3, purchased from a reseller in the mid-west, runs fine (presently 441.67GH/s) while the problem S3 is from Florida (and that guy wants me to remove the 1 star Amazon rating, screw him, opened the bottom of a box from a good one and put the probably returned problem in and sent it out as new). By morning the problem S3 will likely be down to 420GH/s.  Wonder if it's accumulating errors in an ASIC that then shuts down engines over time.  Wonder if China sends more problem S3's to Florida than elsewhere given that Florida is a problem state like Shanghai crime before 1949.  I'm not a happy camper.

soy


You are where many others have been 2 months ago. There are simply units like that and you probably wont be able to change it. And with 429 you cant complain, they were advertised with 441 +/- 5% if i remember correct.

As soon as I removed a heatsink I felt I was burning bridges regarding any return.  Hadn't noticed at that point that the box had been opened at the bottom, clear tape slit all around, then resealed probably with a single strip of clear tape along the center bottom leaving the slit sides showing it had been opened.  Then, because I said I wanted USPS, priority mail tape went around the box at its center over the replaced tape on the bottom and some haphazard slaps of priority tape on its side.  I opened at the top.  Kind of indicates he had this dog sitting there and a new unopened boxed S3 and kept the good one shipping the dog.

Right now the hashrate after 18hrs 17 minutes is 419.77GH/s, temps 38/39 while the good S3 from the mid-west sitting next to it has 441.88GH/s, temps 39/37.  441*.095=418.95

soy

And the price with shipping was $511.48.
newbie
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September 20, 2014, 07:25:51 AM
My S3 is running virtually silent now. l replaced the stock fan at the front (the end with the network connector) with a Corsair SP120 fan blowing in and removed the rear fan entirely. The fan is running at 1920 rpm with 48/48 temps, ambient is 23C.. S3 is overclocked to 225. Maybe won't work so good in hotter countries but here in Uk with summer over should be okay for the next 6 months
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Kupla Kudos Coming Ur Way!
September 20, 2014, 07:07:36 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
Yep, that will run an S3 OK assuming you can get all the wattage on the 12V lines, just do not overclock!

Yes Sir I wont over clock but I read some forum that stay away from "CX500M" (modular) and better take "CX500"
is it an issue?
I am not conversant with the distinction between the two, but if there were any concerns then that would most likely be because of the amount of wattage that you can actually get from the 12V line(s). Some PSU's do not avail their rated wattage over the 12V lines (which the S3 uses).

Since you already have the PSU, you probably know better what connections you have. You'll need at least two 6 pin PCIe connections and off you go.

Try running it as there is practically NO damage that can be done to your S3 by using that PSU, and see the results. Worst case scenarion is it can not run it well, but that is no loss to you as you already have the PSU. And if the PSU is overloaded, it will cut out to prevent any damage to it.

Thanks I'll keep this thread updated.
hero member
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September 20, 2014, 07:02:00 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
Yep, that will run an S3 OK assuming you can get all the wattage on the 12V lines, just do not overclock!

Yes Sir I wont over clock but I read some forum that stay away from "CX500M" (modular) and better take "CX500"
is it an issue?
I am not conversant with the distinction between the two, but if there were any concerns then that would most likely be because of the amount of wattage that you can actually get from the 12V line(s). Some PSU's do not avail their rated wattage over the 12V lines (which the S3 uses).

Since you already have the PSU, you probably know better what connections you have. You'll need at least two 6 pin PCIe connections and off you go.

Try running it as there is practically NO damage that can be done to your S3 by using that PSU, and see the results. Worst case scenarion is it can not run it well, but that is no loss to you as you already have the PSU. And if the PSU is overloaded, it will cut out to prevent any damage to it.
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 07:00:37 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
Yep, that will run an S3 OK assuming you can get all the wattage on the 12V lines, just do not overclock!

Yes Sir I wont over clock but I read some forum that stay away from "CX500M" (modular) and better take "CX500"
is it an issue?

Its the type of wire that the M version has thats the issue, you cannot push those wires like you can on the Non Modular version..
member
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Kupla Kudos Coming Ur Way!
September 20, 2014, 06:52:02 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
Yep, that will run an S3 OK assuming you can get all the wattage on the 12V lines, just do not overclock!

Yes Sir I wont over clock but I read some forum that stay away from "CX500M" (modular) and better take "CX500"
is it an issue?
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 06:51:01 AM
received my 8th batch S3 not even one reaches the 500Gh/s range best is around 453
not happy!!!
hero member
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September 20, 2014, 06:43:35 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
Yep, that will run an S3 OK assuming you can get all the wattage on the 12V lines, just do not overclock!
member
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Kupla Kudos Coming Ur Way!
September 20, 2014, 06:33:06 AM
Hello there,

I have Corsair CX500M psu, is this enough to power 1 antminer S3?
this is the best that I can get here in Saudi and I have no other choice, pls give advice regarding power supply that i bought.

Thanks & Regards,
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 04:09:46 AM

But without a doubt, Eligius is not a Ponzi scheme. They always keep plenty in reserve and make sure every block/payout is valid before they send out payment.

Eligius is a KNC scheme.
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

Read more here http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/55746-strange-rma-experience
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September 20, 2014, 03:24:45 AM
So the problem S3 was down around 430GH/s this morning and I decided to go over its probably reworked board, the board that had grossly over-tightened screws, but would try frequency change first. 

It had been down to 430 so I tried changing the frequency to check out its effect on hashrate.  In /etc/config/asic-freq I changed to f=225, rebooted and restarted cgminer to get a fresh time duration.  I gave it some time but it came up very slowly only to 420 or so.  And it was a cool morning!  All the other machines were hashing perfectly.  So, I tried again, this time with f=212.5 but again it came up slow and only to 417GH/s.  So, I ripped it apart again.

I was going to concentrate on its ASICs at the hot end of the reworked board, but ended up getting distracted.  What distracted me was that the board had marking in black ink at the far right under the top ASIC (on this board that would be near the intake fan).  Might have been Chinese or a code of some kind.  So, I cleaned that ACIC and the one under it with a spray of automobile brake cleaner such that all thermal paste was removed.  Must be careful with the stuff as it will mar many plastics.  I sprayed those ASICs cleaning around the pins, reapplied thermal compound to both sides of the blade and reassembled.  The brake cleaner removed the notation marks on that blade.  When I reassembled, for a change, I put the bad board on the right side facing the RJ45 connector.

I started it up then ran to the store and back.  Right now the 'difficult' S3, at a frequency of 218.75, after 1hr 20min, has an average hashrate of 443.74GH/s.  The temps are both 40° with fan speeds of 2040/1800.  Time will tell.

Bummer.  Up now over 6hrs and the hashrate has started to drop off.  Could be to an increase in humidity and that the first S3 hasn't seen a similar tailing off of hashrate because its average is over a 12hr period but probably not as it's at 442.24GH/s utility 17 while the problem S3 has tailed off to 437.63, utility 15.  Experience tells me it will continue to fall and tomorrow morning may be down around 420GH/s.  Temps are 40/39 and fans 1920/1620.  The good S3 has 40/38 3180/1920 and the good and questionable S3's are side by side.  What jumps out are the higher fan speeds of the good S3.

Too bad.  1:30AM, checking the problem S3 and its hashrate has dropped to 429.01GH/s after 9hr 55min.  Since I have two S3's, I could take what I think is the bad board and swap it into the other S3 and see if the good S3 then has a falling hashrate - just to make sure which board is bad.  What's wrong with that is that the other S3, purchased from a reseller in the mid-west, runs fine (presently 441.67GH/s) while the problem S3 is from Florida (and that guy wants me to remove the 1 star Amazon rating, screw him, opened the bottom of a box from a good one and put the probably returned problem in and sent it out as new). By morning the problem S3 will likely be down to 420GH/s.  Wonder if it's accumulating errors in an ASIC that then shuts down engines over time.  Wonder if China sends more problem S3's to Florida than elsewhere given that Florida is a problem state like Shanghai crime before 1949.  I'm not a happy camper.

soy


You are where many others have been 2 months ago. There are simply units like that and you probably wont be able to change it. And with 429 you cant complain, they were advertised with 441 +/- 5% if i remember correct.
hero member
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September 20, 2014, 01:59:45 AM
Just gave a three star to an Amazon used PSU seller, but so far seemingly OK on S3s.  However, am wondering about Luke Jr's Eligius pool!  Only joined last week and first two payouts were a reasonable number of hours following my crossing the default threshold.  However, am now waiting several blocks into the payout queue with preceding total >90 BTC before my latest payout!  My question is how can a payout depend on significantly more than the value of the currently discovering/verifying block?  After 24 hours I'm still over a block behind.  Does that remind anyone else of a Ponzi scheme?  Why should multiple later blocks be required to pay off current block earnings?

If u want your payouts asap dont use Eligius.

as person X in spot 10 waits for their payout you being in spot 20. spot 10's total keeps growing. so they keep taking away from the top and the leftovers trickle down to the next person. it is really annoying.
and THEN u must wait for your payout to mature in your wallet which is um I believe 100 blocks...
hero member
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Glow Stick Dance!
September 20, 2014, 01:18:13 AM
Just gave a three star to an Amazon used PSU seller, but so far seemingly OK on S3s.  However, am wondering about Luke Jr's Eligius pool!  Only joined last week and first two payouts were a reasonable number of hours following my crossing the default threshold.  However, I'm now waiting several blocks in the payout queue with preceding total >90 BTC before my latest payout!  My question is how can a payout depend on significantly more than the currently completing block?  After 24 hours I'm still over a block behind.  Does that remind anyone else of a Ponzi scheme?  Why should multiple later blocks be required to pay off current blocks?

Try posting this in the Eligius thread. There are literally dozens of people who will gladly educate you in every arcane aspect of their payout methods. Lol. It's VERY confusing to say the least.

But without a doubt, Eligius is not a Ponzi scheme. They always keep plenty in reserve and make sure every block/payout is valid before they send out payment.
sr. member
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September 20, 2014, 01:08:52 AM
Just gave a three star to an Amazon used PSU seller, but so far seemingly OK on S3s.  However, am wondering about Luke Jr's Eligius pool!  Only joined last week and first two payouts were a reasonable number of hours following my crossing the default threshold.  However, am now waiting several blocks into the payout queue with preceding total >90 BTC before my latest payout!  My question is how can a payout depend on significantly more than the value of the currently discovering/verifying block?  After 24 hours I'm still over a block behind.  Does that remind anyone else of a Ponzi scheme?  Why should multiple later blocks be required to pay off current block earnings?
soy
legendary
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September 20, 2014, 12:47:25 AM
So the problem S3 was down around 430GH/s this morning and I decided to go over its probably reworked board, the board that had grossly over-tightened screws, but would try frequency change first. 

It had been down to 430 so I tried changing the frequency to check out its effect on hashrate.  In /etc/config/asic-freq I changed to f=225, rebooted and restarted cgminer to get a fresh time duration.  I gave it some time but it came up very slowly only to 420 or so.  And it was a cool morning!  All the other machines were hashing perfectly.  So, I tried again, this time with f=212.5 but again it came up slow and only to 417GH/s.  So, I ripped it apart again.

I was going to concentrate on its ASICs at the hot end of the reworked board, but ended up getting distracted.  What distracted me was that the board had marking in black ink at the far right under the top ASIC (on this board that would be near the intake fan).  Might have been Chinese or a code of some kind.  So, I cleaned that ACIC and the one under it with a spray of automobile brake cleaner such that all thermal paste was removed.  Must be careful with the stuff as it will mar many plastics.  I sprayed those ASICs cleaning around the pins, reapplied thermal compound to both sides of the blade and reassembled.  The brake cleaner removed the notation marks on that blade.  When I reassembled, for a change, I put the bad board on the right side facing the RJ45 connector.

I started it up then ran to the store and back.  Right now the 'difficult' S3, at a frequency of 218.75, after 1hr 20min, has an average hashrate of 443.74GH/s.  The temps are both 40° with fan speeds of 2040/1800.  Time will tell.

Bummer.  Up now over 6hrs and the hashrate has started to drop off.  Could be to an increase in humidity and that the first S3 hasn't seen a similar tailing off of hashrate because its average is over a 12hr period but probably not as it's at 442.24GH/s utility 17 while the problem S3 has tailed off to 437.63, utility 15.  Experience tells me it will continue to fall and tomorrow morning may be down around 420GH/s.  Temps are 40/39 and fans 1920/1620.  The good S3 has 40/38 3180/1920 and the good and questionable S3's are side by side.  What jumps out are the higher fan speeds of the good S3.

Too bad.  1:30AM, checking the problem S3 and its hashrate has dropped to 429.01GH/s after 9hr 55min.  Since I have two S3's, I could take what I think is the bad board and swap it into the other S3 and see if the good S3 then has a falling hashrate - just to make sure which board is bad.  What's wrong with that is that the other S3, purchased from a reseller in the mid-west, runs fine (presently 441.67GH/s) while the problem S3 is from Florida (and that guy wants me to remove the 1 star Amazon rating, screw him, opened the bottom of a box from a good one and put the probably returned problem in and sent it out as new). By morning the problem S3 will likely be down to 420GH/s.  Wonder if it's accumulating errors in an ASIC that then shuts down engines over time.  Wonder if China sends more problem S3's to Florida than elsewhere given that Florida is a problem state like Shanghai crime before 1949.  I'm not a happy camper.

soy
sr. member
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September 20, 2014, 12:27:29 AM
So, looking from the RJ45 socket end, which board, left or right, is the upper Vs lower of the ASIC status display?  How about the sequence of ASICs -- start at near left, far left, near right, or far right?  Any answers to this?

on the S1 the right side was board 1 left side board 2.  I would assume its the same for the S3

Thanks!

Anyone know if replacing heat sink compound generally helps relatively high HW%?  I just installed a couple S3+ and one is great, but the other is running about .02% HW (much higher than any of my S3s) plus it's also very sluggish to gather speed.  (August 26 FW and cfgminer 4.6.0 in all.)

PS. I'm thinking this is one S3+ which is happier as an S3 at 218.75MHz -- rapid speed attainment and low HW%.

PPS.  To Whom It May Concern -- The Aug 26 FW release definitely includes the 243.75  MHz clock!

Wayward S3+ seems to have settled down regarding speed (225 MHz clock), but HW% remains neighborhood .02.
sr. member
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September 19, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
I have two of the Antminer S3+. One I set up problem free.

The other, after a botched upgrade on the firmware, is no longer showing up on any IP scans and I can't access it. What should I do?

Check your router for the ants ip?

Yeah. Only one of them shows up(the one that is hashing). Seems it has disappeared... Any ideas on resetting/finding it?
Try resetting the S3 (button to the near right of the RJ45 connector).  If that doesn't work (doesn't return to fixed IP 192.168.1.99), then either BitmainTech can help (return for service) or I fear you're out of luck.  Interrupted flash is usually disastrous!
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September 19, 2014, 10:32:37 PM
...snip...
Now I ponder why the tape is yellowishy... smog related?
I think it turns yellow due to the heat, I've seen it in other non mining appliances before.
newbie
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September 19, 2014, 10:08:00 PM
I have two of the Antminer S3+. One I set up problem free.

The other, after a botched upgrade on the firmware, is no longer showing up on any IP scans and I can't access it. What should I do?

Check your router for the ants ip?

Yeah. Only one of them shows up(the one that is hashing). Seems it has disappeared... Any ideas on resetting/finding it?
soy
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1013
September 19, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Wonder what is being used to sense temperature and what translates that to adjust fan speed.   Thermistors or sensistors on the hashing boards and fan speed adjustment on the controller board?
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