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Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 193. (Read 710258 times)

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September 11, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
I've been running 4.6 cgminer on 2 batch 2s and the load is half of what it was previously and the speed has remained the same. I tried OC'ing them further, but they're stuck with the DC/DC lameness that crippled these before. One is at 218.75 - 441GH/s and the other is at 237.5 - 480GH/s.

Very happy with the binaries and sending tippage CK's way. I really would love to see if 4.6 would run on an S1. I've been mucking with source and maybe if I get some more time I'll get it to compile correctly.

If you want a quick upgrade, @Kano version is not 4.6 but 4.3.2 for the S1, I been using for quite some time now and it works fine.

https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer-binaries/tree/master/AntS1
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September 11, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
Hey does anybody know if the latest firmware for S3+ fits for old batches ?
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gotta let a coin be a coin
September 11, 2014, 07:32:06 PM
I've been running 4.6 cgminer on 2 batch 2s and the load is half of what it was previously and the speed has remained the same. I tried OC'ing them further, but they're stuck with the DC/DC lameness that crippled these before. One is at 218.75 - 441GH/s and the other is at 237.5 - 480GH/s.

Very happy with the binaries and sending tippage CK's way. I really would love to see if 4.6 would run on an S1. I've been mucking with source and maybe if I get some more time I'll get it to compile correctly.
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September 11, 2014, 06:55:53 PM
well after 7+ hours all are sitting below 490 so I reverted back to the old cgminer.
I'll try it again some other day... 7+ hours is long enough to get the average up. yeah yeah blocks etc 3 were found during.
if it aint even hitting 495 after 7+ hours there isnt much chance its going to hit 505. the odds are against it. now if they were still sitting at 495 that is a different thing.
Hey they are your miners and yes you are right, if after 7hrs they just seem to be dropping off, then it maybe that they will not pick up.
Just a by-the-way - I've been mining on slush and one of my S3's, after upgrading to 4.6 fell below what I achieved before on ghash with the stock cgminer, but only 2-5 GH/s. I let it run for the last couple of days, but in the last hour or so, my shares on all my rigs stopped registering on slush so I switched over to a P2Pool node, and guess what? The very same S3 that was under-performing is now over-performing by over 20GH/s.
Moral of the tale, so many permutations to be able to give a precise reason, but like I said, do not feel bound by anyone's advice, least of all mine, at the end of the day, you put the bucks down to get those rigs and pay bucks to run those rigs!
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September 11, 2014, 06:47:34 PM
for upgrading to cgminer 4.6 is upgrading to the newest firmware a must??

I am seeing one hashing 8gh/s slower another the same and another 2gh/s slower.

I do 243.75 and all my miners sit at 495gh/s
now I am seeing 492 and 488. and yes the cpu load is much lower the os is responsive again!

You do NOT need to update the firmware before you run cgminer 4.6
How long have they been running for?  cgminer 4.6 seems to take a while to ramp-up to speed in my experience (may-be the maintainer can throw some more light on this), so if they have only been running for a few hours, let them be.

2 hours I had them going. one was sitting at 505 for an hour but fell back to 495 after the 2nd hour

I'd say let them be for at least 24hrs. Hash-rate variance would / can account for that, and it just may be that the block you (we) are currently hashing is harder (this is not factual by the way!). Hash rate variance smoothing is one of the benfits of 4.6, so it will ramp up over time, not the previous knee jerk type increases and decreases.
PS. have you looked at your pool-side hash-rates and are able to make comparisons with pre 4.6 hashrates?
EDIT: pool-side hash-rates AND earnings!

well after 7+ hours all are sitting below 490 so I reverted back to the old cgminer.
I'll try it again some other day... 7+ hours is long enough to get the average up. yeah yeah blocks etc 3 were found during.
if it aint even hitting 495 after 7+ hours there isnt much chance its going to hit 505. the odds are against it. now if they were still sitting at 495 that is a different thing.
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September 11, 2014, 01:44:50 PM
Ordered 8/18, shipped today UPS expected Monday delivery.
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September 11, 2014, 01:39:14 PM


Yet there would be signs the tape had been removed and replaced.  There was quite a bit of additional USPS Priority Mail tape but there was no signs of repackaging that jumped out at me.  What I find curious is the Bitmain box dimensions difference.  Was about to measure the boxes and looked at the second first, this time more closely, and the bottom had been opened and resealed.  

#1 room temp 79°, 442.64GH/s(avg) HW 151, 15hrs 49min
#2 room temp 83°, 428.83GH/s(avg) HW 39, 245 (it just made a liar of me), 15hrs 53 min.



not saying it happened, but you would be amazed how easily tape comes off on something that sits in a freezer, then reattaches when warmed.
but either way bitmain mines these before selling them.  I think they actually mine the whole stock load as they are building out the next batch. like build batch 7 mine them all and not sell them till batch 8 is ready, mine batch 8's till batch 9 is ready to replace them.


As in an earlier post, I thought the unit probably came up slow in testing and was sent to troubleshooting where new paste was applied and the screws tightened grossly tight on the bad hashing board thus bringing it up to "passing".  That would have been at the factory.  In industry we don't trash a new unit just because it isn't up to snuff.  As a matter of fact that troubleshooting of new failed units was one of my responsibilities at the last place I worked.  Of the two boards on that unit, the good hashing board had thermal paste that was less new, more dried, than on the questionable board.  That it may have been previously sold by the reseller and returned then shipped again is a possibility given what I see now as the condition of the plastic tape.  When my two S3+'s arrive I'll know if the box comes with clear tape or just stapled.  The USPO sometimes puts clear tape if a box isn't sealed with tape.  This has priority mail tape but the plastic tape under it had been opened and not by me.

A manufacturing facility needs to run new units as there's what's called an infant mortality rate.  Odd term to use in electronics but it's true.  Testing doesn't always run long enough to test but the failure rate drops sharply.

I just finished ripping #2 apart again and have just fired it up.  Both are now running in the cooler room side by side same height from the floor, same distance from the wall, both being hit by air from a 20" fan.  I've /etc/init.d/cgminer restart on both units.

The reason I ripped #2 down again is that the grossly overtightened screws had 2 that had tops partly stripped.  I had put those on the lower corners when putting the heatsink back on and couldn't tighten very well.  I later noticed that the controller board used the same screws.  I just swapped those two lower corner screws for two from the controller board.  At the same time I swapped the two fans taking care to make sure the air flow direction is correct.

#1 50min14sec, 443.59GH/s, Hw 6
#2 49min52sec 439.11GH/s, HW 0
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#1 2hr6min 445.00 GH/s (avg) HW 18
#2 2hr5min 439.97 GH/s (avg) HW 0
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September 11, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
Bitmain when do sales open for S3+ Batch 9?
This is just a guess, but I think B9 will open for orders when all B8 orders up to the first shipment (closing) date of B8 (and possibly the S1 upgrade kit) have been shipped.
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September 11, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
for upgrading to cgminer 4.6 is upgrading to the newest firmware a must??

I am seeing one hashing 8gh/s slower another the same and another 2gh/s slower.

I do 243.75 and all my miners sit at 495gh/s
now I am seeing 492 and 488. and yes the cpu load is much lower the os is responsive again!

You do NOT need to update the firmware before you run cgminer 4.6
How long have they been running for?  cgminer 4.6 seems to take a while to ramp-up to speed in my experience (may-be the maintainer can throw some more light on this), so if they have only been running for a few hours, let them be.

2 hours I had them going. one was sitting at 505 for an hour but fell back to 495 after the 2nd hour

I'd say let them be for at least 24hrs. Hash-rate variance would / can account for that, and it just may be that the block you (we) are currently hashing is harder (this is not factual by the way!). Hash rate variance smoothing is one of the benfits of 4.6, so it will ramp up over time, not the previous knee jerk type increases and decreases.
PS. have you looked at your pool-side hash-rates and are able to make comparisons with pre 4.6 hashrates?
EDIT: pool-side hash-rates AND earnings!
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September 11, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
for upgrading to cgminer 4.6 is upgrading to the newest firmware a must??

I am seeing one hashing 8gh/s slower another the same and another 2gh/s slower.

I do 243.75 and all my miners sit at 495gh/s
now I am seeing 492 and 488. and yes the cpu load is much lower the os is responsive again!

You do NOT need to update the firmware before you run cgminer 4.6
How long have they been running for?  cgminer 4.6 seems to take a while to ramp-up to speed in my experience (may-be the maintainer can throw some more light on this), so if they have only been running for a few hours, let them be.

2 hours I had them going. one was sitting at 505 for an hour but fell back to 495 after the 2nd hour
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September 11, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
for upgrading to cgminer 4.6 is upgrading to the newest firmware a must??

I am seeing one hashing 8gh/s slower another the same and another 2gh/s slower.

I do 243.75 and all my miners sit at 495gh/s
now I am seeing 492 and 488. and yes the cpu load is much lower the os is responsive again!

You do NOT need to update the firmware before you run cgminer 4.6
How long have they been running for?  cgminer 4.6 seems to take a while to ramp-up to speed in my experience (may-be the maintainer can throw some more light on this), so if they have only been running for a few hours, let them be.
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September 11, 2014, 12:55:08 PM


Yet there would be signs the tape had been removed and replaced.  There was quite a bit of additional USPS Priority Mail tape but there was no signs of repackaging that jumped out at me.  What I find curious is the Bitmain box dimensions difference.  Was about to measure the boxes and looked at the second first, this time more closely, and the bottom had been opened and resealed.  

#1 room temp 79°, 442.64GH/s(avg) HW 151, 15hrs 49min
#2 room temp 83°, 428.83GH/s(avg) HW 39, 245 (it just made a liar of me), 15hrs 53 min.



not saying it happened, but you would be amazed how easily tape comes off on something that sits in a freezer, then reattaches when warmed.
but either way bitmain mines these before selling them.  I think they actually mine the whole stock load as they are building out the next batch. like build batch 7 mine them all and not sell them till batch 8 is ready, mine batch 8's till batch 9 is ready to replace them.
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September 11, 2014, 12:51:20 PM
for upgrading to cgminer 4.6 is upgrading to the newest firmware a must??

I am seeing one hashing 8gh/s slower another the same and another 2gh/s slower.

I do 243.75 and all my miners sit at 495gh/s
now I am seeing 492 and 488. and yes the cpu load is much lower the os is responsive again!
legendary
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September 11, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
I feel faint burning smell near s3 fan.
is it normal?
Sometimes it can be on newer items but Bitmain doesnt exactly sell new items so you could have a fan going bad.
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September 11, 2014, 12:07:46 PM
I feel faint burning smell near s3 fan.
is it normal?

I bought two S3's from reseller's here in the US.  The first unit upon firing up for the first time started giving a smell of some electronic part cooking but that cleared after a few minutes.  I suspect that's normal for a brand new unit that has only been run long enough to check it's running okay.  The second S3, was in a somewhat larger box and looked the same.  No cooking electronics smell and I was looking for it.  That one never runs quite up to the standard set by the first.  It's much more prone to falling hashrate with temperature rise.  I took it apart and changed the thermal compound.  One of the two boards had screws that were grossly overtightened.  This second one may have failed its initial test and was subject to troubleshooting where a technician really mashed down the heatsink hold-down screws to improve the thermal paste contact which had been reapplied fresher and more liberally than on the first board.  I must restate how that second now runs.  Since removing and reapplying thermal paste, it runs with fewer hardware errors than the first.  I may remove and replace the thermal paste on the first but it runs well so I haven't yet.  I'd say you're lucky you smelled that new electronics smell.

um bitmain mines these for a week or 2, so u arent going to receive one that was turned on to make sure it works then shipped out.
and most people reselling them mine them a few days just because they can, before selling them.
You would be nuts to leave it in the box the whole time it is in your possession.



Yet there would be signs the tape had been removed and replaced.  There was quite a bit of additional USPS Priority Mail tape but there was no signs of repackaging that jumped out at me.  What I find curious is the Bitmain box dimensions difference.  Was about to measure the boxes and looked at the second first, this time more closely, and the bottom had been opened and resealed.  

#1 room temp 79°, 442.64GH/s(avg) HW 151, 15hrs 49min
#2 room temp 83°, 428.83GH/s(avg) HW 39, 245 (it just made a liar of me), 15hrs 53 min.

And no, when I buy a "new" Bitmain Antminer S3 on Amazon I do not expect the seller to have been hashing with it.  I expect to be sent a new miner untested by the reseller.
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September 11, 2014, 11:57:43 AM
@StratoBitz - Use a 650Watt, 80+ Gold, modular or semi-modular; for one machine alone.

You won't find a good quality PSU with enough PCI-E wires to power with overclock.

I recommend SeaSonic or Corsair.

dont buy gold power supplies, for the price of a gold 650 you can buy a bronze 80 evga 750 with 5 year warranty and save $20.
4 pci-e not that u actually need 4, 2 work fine for overclocking.
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September 11, 2014, 11:56:07 AM
I feel faint burning smell near s3 fan.
is it normal?

I bought two S3's from reseller's here in the US.  The first unit upon firing up for the first time started giving a smell of some electronic part cooking but that cleared after a few minutes.  I suspect that's normal for a brand new unit that has only been run long enough to check it's running okay.  The second S3, was in a somewhat larger box and looked the same.  No cooking electronics smell and I was looking for it.  That one never runs quite up to the standard set by the first.  It's much more prone to falling hashrate with temperature rise.  I took it apart and changed the thermal compound.  One of the two boards had screws that were grossly overtightened.  This second one may have failed its initial test and was subject to troubleshooting where a technician really mashed down the heatsink hold-down screws to improve the thermal paste contact which had been reapplied fresher and more liberally than on the first board.  I must restate how that second now runs.  Since removing and reapplying thermal paste, it runs with fewer hardware errors than the first.  I may remove and replace the thermal paste on the first but it runs well so I haven't yet.  I'd say you're lucky you smelled that new electronics smell.

um bitmain mines these for a week or 2, so u arent going to receive one that was turned on to make sure it works then shipped out.
and most people reselling them mine them a few days just because they can, before selling them.
You would be nuts to leave it in the box the whole time it is in your possession.

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September 11, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
Question does the new firmware posted for the S3+ do anything to improve the performance on the original S3s? Thanks
I am NOT sure about the firmware since I have not had a reason to update mine, however, it adds an option to change the hashing frequency within the GUI rather than having to SSH into the unit.
On the other hand, the new cgminer (version 4.6) released independently by the maintainer of cgminer (and will NOT void your warranty if installed) does improve on performance as has been documented in this forum, and I can attest to since I have go it installed.
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September 11, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Question does the new firmware posted for the S3+ do anything to improve the performance on the original S3s? Thanks
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September 11, 2014, 11:21:56 AM
MORE ORDERS SHIPPED TODAY... YES.. GO BITMAIN GO  .... 8/13  AND 8/18 ORDERED ALL SHIPPED

and next up... PRE ORDERING MANY L1's which will make TWICE as much money as Bitcoins for the price and for amount of power used. BITMAIN RULES

What??  I never expected they'd ship ahead of schedule lol

Time to whip out the old wallet... (Edit NVM lol)
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