ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 268.

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Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:56:05 AM

as I have already stated, this another reason they will not lower prices, the lack of competition.

There was competition but after they all got together and had that Miner Manufacturers pow-wow, they're all working together instead of against each other. It's called anti-competitive practices, specifically price fixing.

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Quote from: dropt on August 13, 2014, 11:58:00 AM

Quote from: TracerX on August 13, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

The point vortexz is making is that he believes the HW is overpriced, as in: you're an idiot for buying it because you're never going to make your money back. The incentive for BITMAIN to sell the HW at a price point that would allow you to actually make money is non-existent because people keep buying the overpriced HW.

It doesn't matter what the GH/W and GH/$ ratio is if you're never going to earn your money back. People keep buying this HW hand over fist because it's preceived as the best, when in reality you're all giving BITMAIN more money for it than you'll ever get back.

TL;DR: STOP BUYING HW JUST BECAUSE ITS THE BEST AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK.

To be fair, that's often the case with hardware, even in these forums. If it weren't for some previous GBs, many people purely mining wouldn't have made any returns.

Everyone should continue to decide for themselves if mining hardware at these prices is an investment or not. We have these conversations frequently when the price of BTC versus fiat drops, and less frequently when it's up (even though fiat prices shouldn't inform ROI if you paid in BTC).

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Quote from: TracerX on August 13, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

That's not the point. There's no such thing you are asking for. He is telling you that S3 won't ROI, ant your argument is that other miners won't ROI, I don't get what do you want to say?

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Quote from: dropt on August 13, 2014, 11:58:00 AM

TL;DR: STOP BUYING HW JUST BECAUSE ITS THE BEST AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK.

and especially now that is is not even available uhuhuh...

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Quote from: TracerX on August 13, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

I agree with him though, welcome to the new bitmain. They might as well have started out like this and made more profits. Because all the good will bitmain built up is flushing down the toilet. Bitmains rep was an asset that they just chucked out the window. Bitmain is now the best option of very bad options.

I will be buy again when they return to the bitmain they were. For now, with btc/usd dropping, preorders, no coupons... no way no thanks.

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Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:56:05 AM

as I have already stated, this another reason they will not lower prices, the lack of competition.

Then the market will continue to drive the purchases--no boycott will be effective when there isn't a place to redirect the demand for mining equipment.

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Quote from: TracerX on August 13, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

The point vortexz is making is that he believes the HW is overpriced, as in: you're an idiot for buying it because you're never going to make your money back. The incentive for BITMAIN to sell the HW at a price point that would allow you to actually make money is non-existent because people keep buying the overpriced HW.

It doesn't matter what the GH/W and GH/$ ratio is if you're never going to earn your money back. People keep buying this HW hand over fist because it's preceived as the best, when in reality you're all giving BITMAIN more money for it than you'll ever get back.

TL;DR: STOP BUYING HW JUST BECAUSE ITS THE BEST AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK.

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Quote from: TracerX on August 13, 2014, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

as I have already stated, this another reason they will not lower prices, the lack of competition.

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Quote from: vortexz on August 13, 2014, 11:52:05 AM

Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

Point us to a product with the same GH/W ratio and GH/$ ratio then, kind sir.

vortexz

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Attention everyone!
You must have already noticed, the S3 is becoming less and less profitable, it's a mining machine that will never ROI.
This is the new BITMAIN,they are selling on pre-orders an over priced.
The only one's fault is us, because we buy their crap like hot cakes.
A company would never lower prices when they have no competition and they sell their products in seconds.
But there is a solution to all of this, we can correct this !

EVERYONE STOP BUYING THEIR CRAP!
This will force them to lower price and deliver on time so their units will start to ROI again.

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Quote from: wpgdeez on August 13, 2014, 10:46:19 AM

Way to risky to buy the upgrade kit as the price of BTC continues to tank.

No way, buy it now and then rebuy that BTC once the price is in the shitter.

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My 2 B1's don't like overclock and will drop hash rate down to 440 after some hours.

My 2 B6's run great at 503gh so far, one for 36hrs and one for 20hrs.

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Quote from: Fahlcor on August 13, 2014, 11:10:27 AM

Quote from: MrGreenHat on August 13, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

I'm having trouble overclocking my S3's, which is surprising considering I had no issue overclocking the S1's, but I guess that it was slightly simpler to copy/paste with the S1.
Anyways, specifically, I am using terminal on my MBP to ssh into the device, and when I get to the point where its time to "uncomment" and "comment" I did everything but Im not sure how to save the file once I've modified it...Any help?

Also, another n00b question, occasionally i will try to ssh into one particular unit and it wont let me in because the "fingerprint" doesn't match. This only happens with the occasional unit, but I was wondering how I could fix this? I assume that it would involve adding my devices "key" into the admin, ssh configuration page, but I really have no clue as I'm not too familiar with using SSH. Any help is much appreciated.

once you have edited the file you can do :wq to write and quit or just :q to quit without changes.

Thanks so much!!! I was able to successfully overclock the units that I didn't have any problems SSH'ing into.
So that solves the first question! Now for this...

myname-mbp:~ myname$ ssh [email protected]
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
It is also possible that a host key has just been changed.
The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
ef:5e:da:52:f2:88:9f:56:82:4f:11:71:86:92:88:4f.
Please contact your system administrator.
Add correct host key in /Users/myname/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message.
Offending RSA key in /Users/myname/.ssh/known_hosts:10
RSA host key for 192.168.1.95 has changed and you have requested strict checking.
Host key verification failed.

Could someone walk me through how I correct this? Like I said earlier, I assume it's as easy as copy and pasting a key into the config page but I (clearly) know very little about SSH...

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Quote from: wpgdeez on August 13, 2014, 10:46:19 AM

Way to risky to buy the upgrade kit as the price of BTC continues to tank.

Not to mention you are throwing away 105-110~GH/s@1W/GHs per ant that you upgrade if you were under-volting. So for 0,46BT what you get is
a 350GH/s@250W upgrade compared to just keeping the S1, might as well just buy a S3+ instead.

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Quote from: MrGreenHat on August 13, 2014, 11:06:10 AM

I'm having trouble overclocking my S3's, which is surprising considering I had no issue overclocking the S1's, but I guess that it was slightly simpler to copy/paste with the S1.
Anyways, specifically, I am using terminal on my MBP to ssh into the device, and when I get to the point where its time to "uncomment" and "comment" I did everything but Im not sure how to save the file once I've modified it...Any help?

Also, another n00b question, occasionally i will try to ssh into one particular unit and it wont let me in because the "fingerprint" doesn't match. This only happens with the occasional unit, but I was wondering how I could fix this? I assume that it would involve adding my devices "key" into the admin, ssh configuration page, but I really have no clue as I'm not too familiar with using SSH. Any help is much appreciated.

once you have edited the file you can do :wq to write and quit or just :q to quit without changes.

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So I got my new control boards after RMA'ing the original ones since they hashed at 401-420ghs/ at stock clock

the new boards came with a weird antminer S1 firmware and all the FREQ clocks are for S1 (like 300M, 350M, 400M) and they were all set to 350M

after flashing latest firmware on bitmains website and changing clock to 218.75 they seem to be hashing ok.. although now one of them keeps getting a shitty x/- asic status

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I'm having trouble overclocking my S3's, which is surprising considering I had no issue overclocking the S1's, but I guess that it was slightly simpler to copy/paste with the S1.
Anyways, specifically, I am using terminal on my MBP to ssh into the device, and when I get to the point where its time to "uncomment" and "comment" I did everything but Im not sure how to save the file once I've modified it...Any help?

Also, another n00b question, occasionally i will try to ssh into one particular unit and it wont let me in because the "fingerprint" doesn't match. This only happens with the occasional unit, but I was wondering how I could fix this? I assume that it would involve adding my devices "key" into the admin, ssh configuration page, but I really have no clue as I'm not too familiar with using SSH. Any help is much appreciated.

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Quote from: chunkyjunkie on August 13, 2014, 10:09:14 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on August 13, 2014, 10:01:01 AM

Quote from: iglasses on August 13, 2014, 09:55:33 AM

Man that's too long of a wait for the S3+ (which is really just what the S3 was SUPPOSED to be) and the kit for the S1's. A month in the BTC world is like two years in the real world.

Bitmain is just going to solomine for a month and give you the left overs whilst making you pay, in advance of course...

They are picking up all the bad habits from other sellers. Sad what made bitmain stand out they are slowly changing. In stock, price drops to give us a chance to ROI, coupons... All the reasons I bought so many units from them and encouraged others to also. Hope they go back to what made them the best by far.

we are the only ones enouraging them to do so, because we buy anyway from them.
if we would all stop buying their crap like hot cakes, they would lower the price and start shipping from stock.
but at this selling rate they have no reason to lower price or start shipping from stock.

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Looks like another crap miner that won't ROI.

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Here is some Overclocking testing with 8 Ants (4 from batch 1, 4 from batch 3).

The results gave me an indication of which Ant preformed best at which speed, but unfortunately no decisive result on a best universal setting.

Looks like each Ant will have to be tested at various clock speeds to find the best performance...

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